half-truth

[Tuesday Afternoon]

define.

[rrneck]

1. The best lie has a measure of truth.

You give them a truth you don't need to conceal that leads to the lie you want.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. but, the truth was true and the lie was a lie.

[rrneck]

4. If you use the truth to tell a lie, it's still a lie. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. the lie is a lie but, the truth was the truth.

[rrneck]

10. It ain't where you are, but where you're going.

One of the most pernicious types of lie is the lie of omission, which is also a half truth I guess. It is also one of the most cowardly lies since the liar doesn't actually tell a lie, but allows others to simply draw the wrong conclusions from the truth.

Leading people to believe something that isn't true is wrong, no matter how it is done.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. the ends do not justify the means

[rrneck]

23. Yep. A half truth is half lie.

I'm not that dogmatic though. I guess it's okay to tell aunt Gertrude her carp goulash is delicious. Of course that just increases the chance you'll have to face it again.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. next time take Aunt Gertrude out to eat. problem solved and you will be her favorite nephew -

the one she brags on at her mahjong group.

[rrneck]

26. Sound advice.

It's worth a trip to a fancy joint to avoid that stuff! I mean, I might could stand it if it weren't for the mayonnaise.

[OriginalGeek]

36. When we first started dating and early in our marriage

my wife made a big production of telling me how if she ever cooked something I didn't like that I should tell her or else I would get it again as she generally cooked stuff she liked.


I found out the hard way that that was some bulllllllshit.


But perhaps that was partly due to my presentation. I guess making vomit noises and shouting "Ewwww gross, WTF is this!?" was the wrong way to say "Honey, thank you for preparing supper but I'm not a fan of carp goulash".




(BTW, I am blatantly stealing "carp goulash" and using it for everything that ever looks unappetizing ever again.)

[hobbit709]

37. The best way to lie is to tell the truth but tell it in a way nobody believes it.

[rug]

3. Hitler was a vegetarian.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. who gives a shit? I don't get it. even if it is a truth or a lie. Are meat-eaters trying to say

that because Hitler was a vegetarian that it it bad to be a vegetarian?

is that your point, rug?

[rug]

7. That is only half the truth.

The other half is the Holocaust.

There's your definition, withholding the full truth.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. what does that have to do with whether or not Hitler was a vegetarian?

[rug]

12. That is a truthful, and incomplete, statement about who Hitler was.

Politicians use half truths all the time. It's not hard to see what they're doing.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. I can't help it. I am over here lauging at Hitler being a vegetarian. sorry.

[rug]

16. He didn't smoke either.

Forbade smoking in the bunker until the very end.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. keep talking. we will have the whole truth about Hitler before it is over.

[rug]

19. He loved his dogs.

Until he poisoned Blondie and her pups.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. I could argue the motivation there but, NOT going to open that can of worms on DU3. nosiree.

[FleetwoodMac]

31. I see what you did there...

[ZombieHorde]

8. A lie by omission can be a half truth.

Example:
Wife asks husband: What did you do last night?
Husband: Went to Olive Garden with Tony. (Fails to mention the strip club after the Olive Garden.)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. still, what was said was true. Good example. The answer leads to more questions.

[pscot]

9. Rashomon

Truth is in the eye of the observer. It's a moving target.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. I have said before that ---

truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.



not sure that is the whole truth though. that might just be a half-truth.

[petronius]

13. "A man who tells lies, like me, merely hides the truth.

But a man who tells half-lies, has forgotten where he's put it."

-- Dryden (Lawrence of Arabia)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

17. is there more to that, as in a conversation, perhaps with another character?

sounds like a lost man.

[petronius]

25. There was, but it was just a little clash of temperament

Dryden was one of the least lost; he lied coldly, and for a purpose, and knew he did it. The characters who told the half-lies - just lied enough to convince themselves - were the ones that really suffered...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. I keep trying to watch that movie. must make more of an effort. so then -

a half-truth is when there is more to the story, correct? (remembering Paul Harvey ... the rest of the story and showing my age)

therefore couldn't it be said that both (any/all) sides use this strategy in order to further their agenda?

[petronius]

28. Perhaps people tell half-truths and half-lies when they lack the courage to admit

they're really lying - they don't truly believe in what they believe to be the truth. And so they need to convince themselves that the truth is what they need it to be, and lie just enough to create that truth.

True believers, on the other hand, can lie boldly for the greater good - or tell the scrupulous truth because they have faith (or facts)...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. the motivation can be different for each, I think -

although, perhaps it could all come under a group heading of self-preservation . . .

[In_The_Wind]

30. 100%

of what the dudes at date.com try to feed ya is 1/2 true. [img][/img]

ie: Yes, that is my photo.
not said: 1/2 a lifetime ago.



just sayin'

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. lol -

ie: I will call you, later.
not said: later is forever.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. unless you know the Whole Truth beforehand how do you know it is only a Half Truth?

[Wounded Bear]

34. My example: Reaganomics

It actually did improve the economy
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for 1% of the population.

Sorry, couldn't resist breaking the no politics in the lounge rule on that one.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

35. lol - ouch