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LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:57 AM Jan 2013

Why is it that when I post something, it sinks like a stone

Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)

but the next day someone else posts the same thing, and gets responses?

This has happened to me twice in the past three days, and it's happened other times as well.

Do people on DU hate me for some reason?

1. I post about the cheese fire in Norway yesterday and got one response before it sank. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018285221
Today someone else posts about it and is getting responses.

2. Two days ago I posted about the Japanese finance minister who wanted older people to hurry up and die. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022228545
As usual, it sank, but someone posted it in Late Breaking News the next day, and it should not have been allowed because the story was several days old, which is why I didn't post it in LBN. And someone posted it again in GD and got several responses.

Watch this post sink into oblivion too.

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Why is it that when I post something, it sinks like a stone (Original Post) LiberalEsto Jan 2013 OP
Could it be the time of day that you are starting the thread? In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #1
i like you. i wasnt interested in either story. i do not know why that happens sometimes, seabeyond Jan 2013 #2
Timing? surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #3
Maybe you're right, LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #6
kick to the top Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #4
I don't know Denninmi Jan 2013 #5
I'll kick to keep it up for you! Agschmid Jan 2013 #7
It's the nature of the beast. If it's only been twice so far, you & I have thousands of times more UTUSN Jan 2013 #8
It happened twice in three days LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #16
take some time and spam the lounge one day datasuspect Jan 2013 #9
I think it just depends on when you post and who's reading at the time. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #10
Happens to me too, LibEst, elleng Jan 2013 #11
My posts sink like stones, too... Demoiselle Jan 2013 #12
it has been HOURSSS since i read this OP. you havent responded to one person. seabeyond Jan 2013 #13
Usually I do, but am not in good shape today LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #15
she was probably as shakey as you were. i am sorry that happened. scary stuff. seabeyond Jan 2013 #17
ugh! bad experience! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #20
Sometimes, people look at a post but have nothing to add to it. hedgehog Jan 2013 #14
You're not the only one. Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #18
Your posts are heavy Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #19
That is why I never post op's libodem Jan 2013 #21
Good answer. narnian60 Feb 2013 #79
In the year and half I've been here OriginalGeek Jan 2013 #22
Informative posts don't get many responses. Ones that start spats are the big draws. dimbear Jan 2013 #23
try all caps, some form of "fuck", and exclamation points Enrique Jan 2013 #24
You raise a fucking good point LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #28
Not without reason tama Jan 2013 #39
Me too. Grantuspeace Jan 2013 #25
Me too. I'm also an epic threadkiller. As soon as I post on a thread, its dead as well. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #26
We should form our own clique LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #29
We could be the "Good the Bad and the Ugly" Grantuspeace Jan 2013 #31
How about "The Terminators"? LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #32
I'm a Professional Threadkiller!!1!! AmyDeLune Jan 2013 #33
ROFL! LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #42
Thanks! AmyDeLune Jan 2013 #66
I lerve these! nt Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #53
Thanks! Feel free to help yourself. n/t AmyDeLune Jan 2013 #67
threadkiller here... kurtzapril4 Jan 2013 #27
See post 29 above. LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #30
Don't feel too bad Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #34
Kick... Agschmid Jan 2013 #35
That's because you didn't post it at now-now. kentauros Jan 2013 #36
And may the schwartz be with you! nt tama Jan 2013 #40
Haha when it's good... it's good! Agschmid Jan 2013 #68
ah, our egos so powerful. busterbrown Jan 2013 #37
I love you, dude… MrScorpio Jan 2013 #38
Um, LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #43
Etymologically, "man" is all-inclusive: kentauros Jan 2013 #47
okay LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #48
Thank you for the additional etymology kentauros Jan 2013 #49
What if you used your first line as the subject line? "There's nothing like the smell pnwmom Jan 2013 #41
Good point! LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #44
Yeah, that sounds like a DU title! n/t pnwmom Jan 2013 #56
I feel your pain Separation Jan 2013 #45
I've been a DU member for more than a decade LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #46
I have the same invisibility cloak, apparently. Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #50
Thread ain't dead yet, see! LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #51
Nope, not never, not no how. Still Blue in PDX Jan 2013 #54
It's all about the headline. Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #52
I didn't see the first one... Wait Wut Jan 2013 #55
I just recced it LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #57
Thank you Wait Wut Jan 2013 #58
Absolutely LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #59
Oh wow...that's awesome! Wait Wut Jan 2013 #61
I hear ya, happens to me all the time......although I'm usually the one posting late.... a kennedy Jan 2013 #60
Sinks? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #62
Welcome to Threadkillers Anonymous! LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #63
!! MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #64
Your words carry weight?? n/t winter is coming Jan 2013 #65
That's a good way of looking at it. LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #75
Still puzzled over antiquie Jan 2013 #69
Me too! LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #70
That's my job, please don't steal it. nt NoGOPZone Jan 2013 #71
It's a numbers game Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #72
Ah! I must learn to piss people off more effectively! LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #73
I can count on 840high Feb 2013 #74
Posting about sex usually gets attention. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #76
Usually very few people respond to my threads struggle4progress Feb 2013 #77
I'm getting an eerie feeling that this thread will refuse to die LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #78
Hey, you have 4 valentines! narnian60 Feb 2013 #80
I'm too broke to buy valentines, but here: LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #83
Me happy now. narnian60 Feb 2013 #84
Posters here are taking you Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #81
you rock LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #82
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. i like you. i wasnt interested in either story. i do not know why that happens sometimes,
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jan 2013

but it does. sorry... try not to take it personally

wasnt yesterday busy with the rolling of eyes, in GD? could be why the more serious were interested in latest breaking.

surrealAmerican

(11,897 posts)
3. Timing?
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jan 2013

Luck?

I can never tell why two threads on the same topic get treated as complete opposites, but it happens often. It's very unlikely that it would be something personal. This is just life on the internet, I guess.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
6. Maybe you're right,
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jan 2013

but it's always my post that sinks, my comments that get ignored. I've been ignored most of my life, I should just get used to it.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
7. I'll kick to keep it up for you!
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jan 2013

I find my most viewed posts have ridiculous titles, that are humorous, snarky, or intriguing.

Ex:

Okay FINE... I joined OkCupid.
Family Fight! Help me win!
Juries... DO YOUR JOB!

Also it has to do with timing... I am east coast so I try to hit the 7-9pm timeframe when more people are on. There is also a lunch spike of traffic I'd guess.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
8. It's the nature of the beast. If it's only been twice so far, you & I have thousands of times more
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jan 2013

for it to happen. Also, things like the threads that sink being the ones we spend real effort/thought/preparation on, while if we toss something off (silly, or cloddish/me) the silly/clod ones are showered with some kind of attention, whether flames or whatever.

Me telling you NOT to feel "hurt and worthless" won't work, because hurt is its own thing and is natural like anything else.

Just try to have fun, which means: POST, participate with those who reply, and LET IT GO. POST and send the post off to its destiny for good or ill. The longer you're here the more wonderful DUers who share your interests or who appreciate your personality that shines through you will find. Tell the nice ones, the sweet ones, the brave ones you appreciate them.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
9. take some time and spam the lounge one day
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jan 2013

get your username out there more.

post some off the wall shit.



The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,746 posts)
10. I think it just depends on when you post and who's reading at the time.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jan 2013

Just random chance. It's not you!

There are a very few DUers whose posts I don't read just because I recognize them as consistently posting tendentious nonsense, but with those few exceptions I read posts that look interesting regardless of whose they are. But like everybody else I'm not on all day and I might miss something interesting until it turns up a second (or third) time. And I don't comment on everything I read, usually because I feel I have nothing to add. It doesn't mean I didn't read it, or didn't like it; unfortunately the poster won't know that I read and liked it. So maybe I should comment more often?

By the way, I don't get a lot of responses either. It's just chance.

I think.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
11. Happens to me too, LibEst,
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jan 2013

so I politely post, on the second non-copycat, 'Posted earlier,' with link to my earlier post.

I assume its due to traffic at DU, as well as forum I originally used.

NO sinking HERE!!!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. it has been HOURSSS since i read this OP. you havent responded to one person.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jan 2013

it helps if you actually interact on your own thread.

just sayin

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
15. Usually I do, but am not in good shape today
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jan 2013

Almost got run over in the supermarket parking lot a couple of hours ago and I'm still shaking. I was in a marked pedestrian crosswalk pushing a small grocery cart to my car. Someone turned their car directly into me and scraped the coating off part of the cart while I jumped out of the way yelling STOP! If I'd been carrying the bags without the cart in front of me, I'd probably be in the ER, because she would have run me over.

Once she stopped, she gaped at me and drove off without apologizing or asking if I was okay. It's not as if I was invisible - I'm 5'7 and was wearing a black coat.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. she was probably as shakey as you were. i am sorry that happened. scary stuff.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jan 2013

deep breathes...


BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
20. ugh! bad experience!
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jan 2013

But look! Your post is doing good now......


I often notice that when I am in victim mode, I notice more things to feel victimy about.

Don't give up, that's the imortant thing. Keep posting, keep speaking up for yourself (heee heee-- like yelling, "you idiot, you drive like crap!" ), EVEN when you don't get the change you want immediately.

But when you try again, THAT'S where your victory is! Keep at it and give it some time and pat yourself on the back for trying again. After awhile, you'll realize things have changed.

And remind me of this next time I'm feeling rotten and beat down!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
18. You're not the only one.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jan 2013

That happens sometimes to me, too, where I post some interesting articles or videos, and then I find myself constantly kicking my own threads just to keep them from being buried, while appreciation threads get dozens of recs and comments.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
19. Your posts are heavy
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jan 2013

Kidding! I don't hate you, in fact I like you. But I don't reply to posts based on who I like, it's whether I have anything snarky or substantive to say. Usually snark.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
21. That is why I never post op's
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jan 2013

They sink. Maybe you have to do it with no expectation, and be all Zen about it. Detachment about the response. The same as a sand painting, done outside will be, erased by the rain. You offer it to general knowledge. And kick it yourself.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
22. In the year and half I've been here
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:34 AM
Jan 2013

I'd be shocked to find out more than 3 of my OPs got more than 5 replies. I can think of 3 off the top of my head in the last couple weeks that got one or none. No big deal. Timing, luck or even I was just interested in something enough to make an OP out of it but nobody else was. It's not our fault these nimrods don't recognize our genius. (KIDDING!) lol.


One of the 3 that got more than 5 replies was mostly filled with people telling me how stupid I was. SO be careful what ya wish for.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
23. Informative posts don't get many responses. Ones that start spats are the big draws.
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jan 2013

And so it goes.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
24. try all caps, some form of "fuck", and exclamation points
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jan 2013

off to the Greatest page with the OMFG A FUCKING CHEESE FIRE!!!!!! IN FUCKING NORWAY!!!!!

check out the greatest page at this moment

Grantuspeace

(873 posts)
25. Me too.
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jan 2013

Even though I am a big hit on facebook and I am bigger in Germany than David Hasselhoff. Lol

It is not supposed to cliquish in here, but it does seem to take people a while to warm up to a newbie.

AmyDeLune

(1,846 posts)
33. I'm a Professional Threadkiller!!1!!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jan 2013

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I have a whole folder full of them...

AmyDeLune

(1,846 posts)
66. Thanks!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jan 2013

It's a good way to kick a thread either of your own or someone else's (that you've killed apparently merely by posting in it).

kurtzapril4

(1,353 posts)
27. threadkiller here...
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jan 2013

Yep, I can post and it will die.

I really think there's some clique-y stuff going on here that will only go away when you have x number of posts.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
34. Don't feel too bad
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:48 AM
Jan 2013

Nine times out of ten, or maybe 19 times out of 20, or even 29 times out of 30, threads that I start sink like a lead balloon filled with granite

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
37. ah, our egos so powerful.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jan 2013

Funny, I belong to a not so exclusive organization which talks a lot about character defects and
pride and ego are at the top.
I just got kicked of a N.Y. Giant Football site for asking a question which I felt was reasonable.
Why do Giant fans at this site hate the 49ers so much.??(I’ve been a Jint fan my whole life and I’m from
ny and moved to L.A. 25 years ago. Still I follow the Giants closely but these days every fucking thing
is analyzed by the macho guys who live at these sites. So not only did they piss on my question and thoughts
they also criticized my handle and punctuation. They went back and forth making fucking fun of me.
When I told them all to go Fuck themselves I was thrown off. I was deeply saddened and hurt. Kidding, but
my pride was hurt a little more than I care to admit. When you think about it this thread was posted during the game and I think every one of them was stinking drunk. Check it out Big Blue.
Nothing like angry New Yorkers, but I know they are all usually stand up guys. Just pissed off that we
didn’t make play offs.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
47. Etymologically, "man" is all-inclusive:
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jan 2013
man (n.)
Old English man, mann "human being, person (male or female); brave man, hero; servant, vassal," from P.Gmc. *manwaz (cf. Old Saxon, Swedish, Dutch, Old High German man, German Mann, Old Norse maðr, Danish mand, Gothic manna "man&quot , from PIE root *man- (1) "man" (cf. Sanskrit manuh, Avestan manu-, Old Church Slavonic mozi, Russian muzh "man, male&quot .

Plural men (German Männer) shows effects of i-mutation. Sometimes connected to root *men- "to think" (see mind), which would make the ground sense of man "one who has intelligence," but not all linguists accept this. Liberman, for instance, writes, "Most probably man 'human being' is a secularized divine name" from Mannus [cf. Tacitus, "Germania," chap. 2], "believed to be the progenitor of the human race."

So I am as he that seythe, `Come hyddr John, my man.' [1473]

Sense of "adult male" is late (c.1000); Old English used wer and wif to distinguish the sexes, but wer began to disappear late 13c. and was replaced by man. Universal sense of the word remains in mankind and manslaughter. Similarly, Latin had homo "human being" and vir "adult male human being," but they merged in Vulgar Latin, with homo extended to both senses. A like evolution took place in Slavic languages, and in some of them the word has narrowed to mean "husband." PIE had two stems: *uiHro "freeman" (cf. Sanskrit vira-, Lithuanian vyras, Latin vir, Old Irish fer, Gothic wair) and *hner "man," a title more of honor than *uiHro (cf. Sanskrit nar-, Armenian ayr, Welsh ner, Greek aner).

MAN TRAP. A woman's commodity. ["Dictionary of Buckish Slang, University Wit, and Pickpocket Eloquence," London, 1811]

Man also was in Old English as an indefinite pronoun, "one, people, they." The chess pieces so called from c.1400. As an interjection of surprise or emphasis, first recorded c.1400, but especially popular from early 20c. Man-about-town is from 1734; the Man "the boss" is from 1918. To be man or mouse "be brave or be timid" is from 1540s. Men's Liberation first attested 1970.

At the kinges court, my brother, Ech man for himself. [Chaucer, "Knight's Tale," c.1386]



 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
48. okay
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jan 2013

but my native language is Estonian, which is not an Indo-European language but a Finnic one. I learned English in grade school.

We say mees (pronounced somewhat like maize) for man and naine (NY-neh)for woman, both derived from early Finnish, according to my Eesti Keele Etümoloogiline Teatmik. (Etymological Dictionary of the Estonian Language).

I could argue that mees could also have stemmed from the Russian muzh, but it would piss off a whole lot of Estonians, and that wouldn't be a pretty sight.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
49. Thank you for the additional etymology
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jan 2013


I'm not a linguistic scholar, nor trained in any of that, and can only use the Online Etymology Dictionary to satisfy my curiosity with words.

I suspect, too, that my use of etymology at all pisses off a lot of Republicans

pnwmom

(110,291 posts)
41. What if you used your first line as the subject line? "There's nothing like the smell
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:23 AM
Jan 2013

of grilling goat cheese."

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
44. Good point!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jan 2013

Or how about

"There's nothing like the fucking smell

of grilling fucking goat cheese."

Separation

(1,975 posts)
45. I feel your pain
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jan 2013

I have made several posts only to get a couple of responses only to look later and see a similiar post with 40-50 responses. Maybe it has to do with your user name? There is a theme of trolls using Lib, Dem, Lefty in their user name and people are just glancing over your posts thinking the same? I have had a few people call me out on my user name, they think it has to do with breaking from the gov or something like that. Its to do with church & state.

But look at this post, lots of replies.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
46. I've been a DU member for more than a decade
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jan 2013

so I'd think most folks would at least recognize that LiberalEsto is an oldie.

But you could be right.

The Lounge is a wonderful place filled with wonderful people, which is why this post is getting so many replies.

I LOVE the LOUNGE

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
50. I have the same invisibility cloak, apparently.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jan 2013

Yours is one of the names I recognize and whose posts I read.

Someone told me once that maybe no one responds to my posts because I don't post things that are controversial. That surprises me since I own a pit bull, both breastfed (in public--and even in an Olive Garden once!) and occasionally spanked my kids.

One of those daily emails that clog up our inbox this morning said that it really doesn't matter if other people like us or not, that we should cultivate enough self-love that our validation comes from within and so rejection doesn't hurt so much.

Whatever. Anyway, apologies in advance if I kill your thread.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
51. Thread ain't dead yet, see!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jan 2013

Your point about cultivating self-love is a very good one. Usually it's not a huge problem for me, but I was feeling a bit down when I posted, from being out of work for over 4 years.

I used to be a newspaper reporter in another lifetime, so I got upset when nobody responded to my post, and then other people posted the same thing and got lots of responses.

Please tell me you didn't breastfeed your pit bull.

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
54. Nope, not never, not no how.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jan 2013

Never got quite that intimate with my Daizie, although she is quite the snuggler.

That would be a graphic that might get a response or two, though.


Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
55. I didn't see the first one...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jan 2013

...and there were several about the Japanese FM, so I probably was caught up in one of the other threads.

I apologize and will never, ever, ever do it again.

It happens to me all the time. Only one person 'recced' this thread yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022254348

But, I think the article may have confused people. I should have put more of my own perspective into it. Or not.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
58. Thank you
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jan 2013

I thought it was a pretty big deal. Kids need to know how to protect themselves, who to turn to, etc. This is a big step.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
59. Absolutely
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:52 PM - Edit history (1)

I used to work for an organization called the Montgomery Center for Assault Prevention in Montgomery County, Maryland (Now called Metro CAP), which is part of the international Child Assault Prevention organization. We went to schools and put on role-plays that taught kids ways to respond to bullying, assault and sexual assault. We even did age-appropriate workshops at nursery schools.

http://www.internationalcap.org/

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
61. Oh wow...that's awesome!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jan 2013

Just think, you may have been responsible for saving a child's future. Damn. Actually, probably several children's futures.

Thank you for taking a little bit of that fear out of their lives and replacing it with confidence.

a kennedy

(36,085 posts)
60. I hear ya, happens to me all the time......although I'm usually the one posting late....
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jan 2013

It happens so much to me on another site that when I do post what I think is an interesting subject, someone will make reference to the initial thread and will lock my post. It's gotten to be a joke to some, they'll use my name if this situation happens to someone else, i.e. this has already been posted by and then use my avatar. I spose I should check to see if what I'm going to post has already been posted, but sheesh, I'm not on the computer 24-7 and if I happen to find something late, I'm sorry. Wow, that kinda came from someplace dark eh??

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
62. Sinks?
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jan 2013

Oh... I thought you said, "stinks like a stone!"

I wouldn't worry... besides, I think I hold the record to end threads. Did this a few years ago. I may have then, as I may now end the thread.

You see..... I'm a thread killer [url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url]

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
72. It's a numbers game
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:04 PM
Feb 2013

I imagine you have to post a lot to hit a popular thread. I used to post on a music collaboration site and, no matter who you were, collaboration happened in approximately 1 out of 20 posts. Unless you've really done something to piss everybody off, I imagine the same principle works at DU.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
78. I'm getting an eerie feeling that this thread will refuse to die
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:22 PM
Feb 2013

because it keeps bobbing up again and again.

Irony!

narnian60

(3,510 posts)
80. Hey, you have 4 valentines!
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:43 PM
Feb 2013

People don't hate you. Now with my one (for which I am truly grateful) I have reason to worry.

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