Virginity is a flaw, not a virtue. Discuss.

[Taverner]

If Mani T'eo had held out to meet her before becoming "boyfriend and girlfriend," this shit wouldn't have happened.

(of course my suspicion is that his GF was an invisible beard - Mormons don't really like Homosexuals too much)

And you end up learning a lot about your GF or BF during sex

I'll be straight up with my kids - don't marry someone until you've moved in together

[Recursion]

1. My fiancee did consular work for a while. You'd be amazed how frequent this is

At the call center at State they would literally get two or three calls a week to the tune of "help! my girlfriend from Manilla has been kidnapped and they want a ransom!"

"Have you ever met her, sir? Or spoken on the phone?"

"Well, no, they only have Internet in her village she says..."

"OK, your 'girlfriend' is a 50 year old guy who wants your money and steals pictures of Filipina models..."

[Sheldon Cooper]

2. Yes, because there is no point in doing anything until you've had sex.

[Taverner]

4. There certainly is no point in GETTING MARRIED until you have

Otherwise, why not just go for an old fashioned arranged marriage?

[Sheldon Cooper]

5. I know couples who got married without sex.

They're fine and happy. There's nothing 'wrong' with virginity.

[Taverner]

8. Goody goody for them. They aren't the norm,

[Sheldon Cooper]

16. So what.

The world really doesn't revolve around sex.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. No - but, the world does revolve around Taverner and his morals/ethics.

capiche

[Taverner]

27. Go back under that rock

There's pretty colors under there...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

30. ... you keep showing us your true ones.

[Taverner]

33. Which are balls of brass, steel and clay!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. lol

I think we are on opposite coasts in more ways than one however, there are times that we do meet in the middle

[Taverner]

36. And so do you....

Wanna meet?

[Taverner]

26. Actually, it does

We try to make ourselves into something other than animals, but at our core - we live, we eat, we poop, we fuck, we raise the result and then we die. That's it. The human experience.

That's why every religion tries to ban it - they want control over the process.

Primal need - not everyone has it, but damn near all of us do. And I guarantee your parents do, or you wouldn't be here.

What did St. Marc Perkel say?

We are the descendants of 3 billion years of sexual activity. We are here because our parents did it, their parents did it, and their parents did it all the way back to the point when early single cell creatures did it. Virtually all life on this planet is trying to get laid. We humans like to think we're "above the animals" but in fact we aren't. Humans are the first animal to have a limited ability to control reproduction, but only limited. There are those who have managed to be celibate their entire lives, but we aren't the descendants of those people. We're the descendants of those who had no self control. Sex is a 3 billion year old tradition and it's not easy to break the worlds oldest tradition. --Marc Perkel

[Sheldon Cooper]

28. *yawn*

Despite what you might think, we are not savages. But frankly, I don't care what you do. Have at it.

[Taverner]

29. "Savage" - what is a "Savage"?

Define this term, please...

[SecularMotion]

46. "Humpin' and pumpin' is not Sheldon's strong suit."

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[Chan790]

31. I would argue that it should.

Revolve around sex, that is.

I think there would be a lot more global happiness if more people were having more sex more often.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. do you consider gang rape to be sex? are you -at all- selective in this type of sex that you are

condoning? random sex with strangers. copulation in the streets. Orgies in bath houses ...

do - tell us about your Utopia ...

condoms?
herpes?
aids?
and other various STDs ....

How do those fit in with this wonderful world of yours ...

at what age does one begin?

[Chan790]

47. I'm going to summarize my opinions as "consent is awesome"

Monogamy is also awesome if that's what you're into. (I'm not, but different strokes for different folks.) Monogamous people! Make more time for love with your committed life-partners, you won't regret it.

That would be a "no" on gang rape. You didn't ask, but lets volunteer further that I'm opposed to statutory rape even where the victimized party is consenting.

"Why not, as long as both or more partners are consenting." on random sex with strangers.

"I think that might be unsanitary, but sex is often dirty and unsanitary" on sex in the streets. If you don't want an audience, you should probably find a room or at-least a dark alley though.

You're thinking obscenity and voyeurism...it ceases to be shocking or titillating when it's commonplace. I have issues with FCC decency standards...I think they should be loosened on nudity and sex and tightened on violence.

Even Antonin Scalia, that arbiter of morality from the bench, supports the rights of orgies between consenting parties. Who am I to disagree?

Condoms? For god-sakes use condoms! Do you really think we need more live-births? Further, prophylaxis protects against disease.

STDs are bad: most are treatable, others manageable. In the end, you're responsible for your own sexual health. I get tested regularly, all sexually-active adults whether monogamous or polyamorous or even casually-promiscuous should be getting tested regularly.

One begins at the age one wants to, it is all about consent. For that matter one can quit whenever one wants to, or for that matter, abstain if they so choose...this is after-all about consent. Nobody is forcing anybody to partake; I'm arguing for a loosening of sexual morality saying that I think we'd be a happier, less violence-obsessed culture if there were a little more fulfilling rewarding sex going on.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. One begins at the age one wants to ...

alright then. carry on. do you belittle those who choose to begin at a later age or to never begin at all ...

[Chan790]

50. No. n/t

[In_The_Wind]

3. I agree with you, Taverner.

You don't know who someone really is until you've lived with them.
Not just enjoyed weekends and vacations but lived together long term.


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[fizzgig]

6. it's not my place to judge what someone else does with their body

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. +1

[hack89]

7. At 18 it was a burden

fortunately college life took care of that.

[dawg]

9. Virginity is not a flaw, it's a choice.

Deciding when to have sex is a personal thing. I don't think we should judge people for deciding to wait.

[Taverner]

10. No but to potential suitors, it should be viewed as a flaw

I never dated virgins when I was single, for example.

Instant deal breaker.

[dawg]

11. If everyone felt that way, the human race would have died out years ago.

[pintobean]

13. You're so deep

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

19. Wow

What if everyone took the same tact with you?

[Chan790]

32. I never had a problem with dating virgins...

I was one once.

As I told my ex-gf, "I don't have a problem dating virgins...but if we're not sleeping together then I don't really consider us dating."

I don't mind dating virgins unless they want to remain virgins. I'm only in the dating game for the sex...I have no need or desire for romance or a life-partner.

[840high]

37. Thank you. Perhaps if

we didn't rush into sex there would be less single Moms.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

12. That's the advice I gave my children.

Bottom line...33-year-old daughter who wants neither a husband nor children and a 30-year-old son who wants a wife and kids, "someday"

[flying rabbit]

14. Camping, travelling and sex

are the best ways to measure compatibility. You learn a lot about your partner in those activities.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

22. Add the first thing and the third...

And that is a great weekend!

[pipi_k]

23. I once read that...

if a couple can manage to wallpaper a small bathroom together without injuring or killing each other, they'll probably make it

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. while i agree that virginity is not a value, i dont think its a flaw either

its like a temporary state that we have all once been in.

however you are wrong about this "don't marry someone until you've moved in together " as people who move in together and then get married are more likely to get divorced.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. How many of the people who don't move in together prior to marriage....

....come from strict religious backgrounds that forbid divorce as well? I'd bet enough to skew the numbers.

Beyond sex, the simple logistics of sharing space together are a test for a couple. I say it's better to do it before you get tangled in the legal mess that is marriage in this country.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. i think they controlled for religiousity, but i could be wrong

[Taverner]

25. Those numbers were from flawed studies

All run by Christian Think Tanks

The real number is close to insignificant, but all marriages are crap shoots when it comes down to it

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. nope the study i am thinking about is not a think tank study

i'll see if i can find it

[840high]

39. I have a family

member who lived with the guy for 4 years, they got married and divorced.

[Moondog]

17. I disagree. It is neither.

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It is a state; it is a state of being.

Solid. Liquid. Gas. Arguably, plasma. And there are transitions between states.

I haven't taken physics, or thought about it much, since I was in high school. But I think that this is a partially valid analogy. Transitions can be made from, say, solid to liquid and back again. I don't think it is possible to transition from virgin to experienced and then back to virgin. Which, of course, is where the analogy fails. Unless one is a Republican ...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. thread winner.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

18. I do believe people should live together before marriage

And sex is only a fraction of the reason. The logistics of sharing a refrigerator are as bad as sharing a bed.

As for the rest of what you said, I don't really don't get what you are saying. Apparently you should have sex with someone before you agree to have a long term relationship?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

20. What kind of virginity?????

Virginity as in full penetration or virgin in all of it?

[Tobin S.]

38. It's neither

Do what you want to do. If you decide to do it, do it with someone you're legally allowed to do it with.

[nolabear]

40. You, Taverner, are a piece of work.

And I mean that in a good way. You gadfly, you.

[fishwax]

41. I'd say it isn't inherently either

[Ptah]

44. Is virginity the original sin?

[Chan790]

48. If you do a deconstructionist analysis of the Judeo-Christian mythology...

it seems that the original sin was "refusing to remain ignorant."