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Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:52 PM Feb 2013

Mack the Knife

I wonder how many people know that that old classic song 'Mack the Knife' was originally a German song composed by Kurt Weill and Bertold Brecht for the Three-Penny Opera:

Mackie Messer:



Or here's a rendition by someone who can actually sing:



Doesn't that just transport you to pre-war Germany?

Oh, and The Doors didn't write this either:



The Three-Penny Opera, where every prospect pleases and only Kurt is Weill.
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Mack the Knife (Original Post) Ron Obvious Feb 2013 OP
Me Me Me! elleng Feb 2013 #1
I've seen that very interesting clip before aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #2
I didn't know that! Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #4
Ever see the rousing ending of Mr. Bean's Holiday? aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #5
Brilliant! Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #9
That was so fun! Filmed in Cannes that scene. GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #10
Yes, I have. Interesting movie. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #17
I'm still not convinced it is the same. Oh, now that I listen again, I see it is. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #15
Same melody - different tempo and language aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #18
I like BOTH of them. I have the Darin song, actually, AND the Bean Holiday movie. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #19
I knew it, but have never heard the original before... annabanana Feb 2013 #3
I learned that from Ernie Kovacs. Lionel Mandrake Feb 2013 #6
Never seen that before! Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #7
Nothing beats the classics! baldguy Feb 2013 #8
That's where I learned it, too! kentauros Feb 2013 #16
i can't tell if that first version is Kurt Gerron datasuspect Feb 2013 #11
I think my original was Bertold Brecht Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #12
Many years ago - saw 840high Feb 2013 #13
I did not know that! I've never heard that. I've heard the song Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #14

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
2. I've seen that very interesting clip before
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
Feb 2013

noting that Bobby Darin had some great hits with the adaptation of foreign tunes like this one, Charles Trenet's "La Mer" (Beyond The Sea), and Edith Piaf's "Milor".

This German tune was also translated into French and became an early hit of French singer Damia.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
4. I didn't know that!
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
Feb 2013

I like Charles Trenet, but I never connected it before that Bobby Darin's Beyond the Sea was originally Trenet's La Mer. Funny how you can hear both and not make the connection.

Trenet definitely belongs in that category of singers who can instantly transport you in time and place when you heard just the first few notes:

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
9. Brilliant!
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:28 PM
Feb 2013

Wow, that took coordination -- brilliant!

Now that I now "La Mer" == "Beyond the Sea" I can hear it easily, but they still almost seem like fundamentally different songs to me.

GoneOffShore

(18,035 posts)
10. That was so fun! Filmed in Cannes that scene.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:37 PM
Feb 2013

Trenet composed the song about the sea at his hometown of Narbonne. We've walked along the seafront there in the winter. It's magical.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. Yes, I have. Interesting movie.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:13 AM
Feb 2013

Very interesting. Not great, but different and amusing and entertaining. I couldn't place La Mer...I knew it sounded familiar.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
18. Same melody - different tempo and language
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:24 AM
Feb 2013

Darin's American version swings more, like his Mack The Knife swings more than the original. Listen to one after the other. The sheet music for Beyond The Sea credits Trenet as the music's composer.





http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdFPE.asp?ppn=MN0088490&ref=google
 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
7. Never seen that before!
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:11 PM
Feb 2013

I never saw that before. Funny how one thing leads to another on the 'tinternet!

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
11. i can't tell if that first version is Kurt Gerron
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:45 PM
Feb 2013

he had a sad story.

German Jew who was imprisoned at Theresienstadt. He was very famous and appeared in several films before he fell victim to the Nazis.

They made him produce a propaganda film about life in Theresienstadt. After he completed it, he was shipped to Auschwitz and executed.

Kurt Gerron version:

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
12. I think my original was Bertold Brecht
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:57 AM
Feb 2013

I think my original version was sung by none other than Bertold Brecht himself. The vocal enunciations of singers of that era is rather different from today. I suspect because they started their careers by having to sing unamplified.

I don't think I'd heard of Kurt Gerron before. What a tragic story...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. I did not know that! I've never heard that. I've heard the song
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:07 AM
Feb 2013

a million jillion times, seen the Bobby Darin biographical movie, Sandra Dee bio, and read a few things about the famous song. Not once did I ever hear it wasn't an original song. Then again, it didn't occur to me it wasn't.

Very interesting.

I don't know that Doors song, so can't comment on that one.

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