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elleng

(130,895 posts)
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:29 AM May 2013

Happy 144th Birthday, Transcontinental Railroad!!!

The "Golden Spike" (also known as "The Last Spike"[1]) is the ceremonial final spike driven by Leland Stanford to join the rails of the First Transcontinental Railroad across the United States connecting the Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads on May 10, 1869, at Promontory Summit, Utah Territory. The term "Last Spike" has been used to refer to one driven at the usually ceremonial completion of any new railroad construction projects, particularly those in which construction is undertaken from two disparate origins towards a meeting point. The "Last Spike" now lies in the Cantor Arts Center at Stanford University.[2]

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Pardon the Trivia, Lounge, but I worked regulating railroads for 20+ years, and one of my close colleagues doing the same work happens to have his birthday May 10, so its remained a special date!!!

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Happy 144th Birthday, Transcontinental Railroad!!! (Original Post) elleng May 2013 OP
Yay! Little known fact: Coast to coast rail didn't happen until September of that year, 1869: NYC_SKP May 2013 #1
Thanks, SKP! elleng May 2013 #2
Little known fact; There is no railroad company that offers true coast to coast service these days. A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #5
Yes but this isn't unusual. elleng May 2013 #8
Good to know. It's always been so, right? It takes at least two. NYC_SKP May 2013 #9
To my knowledge, yes. A HERETIC I AM May 2013 #11
Happy B-Day. People forget how important rail still is for freight. Locut0s May 2013 #3
I don't think people 'forget,' but they've never known, just us geeks! elleng May 2013 #4
A toast to many of the builders...from China AsahinaKimi May 2013 #6
INDEED! elleng May 2013 #7
True! Gold mines, railroads, and (many don't know) the levee systems of the delta. NYC_SKP May 2013 #10
And a lasting testament to their work: China Wall at Donner summit Brother Buzz May 2013 #27
Another railroad history buff here. CrazyOrangeCat May 2013 #12
No, Cat, I didn't, elleng May 2013 #15
I'm sure the ICC was interesting work. CrazyOrangeCat May 2013 #16
Became very interesting work, elleng May 2013 #19
Wow! CrazyOrangeCat May 2013 #21
HELL NO, NOT on Amtrak, FRONT of UP business car, just a few of us elleng May 2013 #22
Sounds fun CrazyOrangeCat May 2013 #23
Trivia: this is also the 144th anniversary of "Fuck you Indians, but thanks for the land" Day. Bucky May 2013 #13
Sorry to say that came longer ago than 144 years, elleng May 2013 #14
Let's hear it for the the Railways! Happy Birthday, Transcontinental !! Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #17
We're supposed to (finally!) make the ride out to Promontory LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #18
You're welcome, enjoy the trip, and please report back! elleng May 2013 #20
Here you go! (pics) LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #24
THANKS, LadyHawkAZ! elleng May 2013 #25
Anytime! n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #26
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Yay! Little known fact: Coast to coast rail didn't happen until September of that year, 1869:
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:34 AM
May 2013

With the driving of the golden spike at Promontory Point, Utah in May of 1869, the Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads, completed the transcontinental railroad between Omaha, Nebraska and Sacramento, California. However there was still one point in the system where passengers and freight still has to use riverboats to cross the San Joaquin River at Mossdale. On September 8, 1869 the bridge over the San Joaquin river (see trestle in photographs) was completed and the first train crossed the bridge over the San Joaquin River. This was really the last link in the transcontinental railroad system.



http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=11380

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
5. Little known fact; There is no railroad company that offers true coast to coast service these days.
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:08 AM
May 2013

That is to say, if you have a container you want shipped from LA to New York, it will be handled by at least 2 railroad companies.

Neither Union Pacific or BNSF, the only two railroads operating from the west coast, offer service to the northeast.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
8. Yes but this isn't unusual.
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:35 AM
May 2013

No railroad company has ever offered coast to coast service.

The tracks have been contiguous for many years, and 'handoffs,' as you put it, are done smoothly at yards throughout the country. Carriers create 'blocks' of cars which are handled together to and through yards toward their destinations.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. Good to know. It's always been so, right? It takes at least two.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:10 AM
May 2013

A separate matter from when tracks connected left to right coasts.

I misunderstood in grade school what was going on; I thought it was the coast to coast thing that happened at promontory.

They left out the part about it being a race between two companies, a very clever way to get it done quickly, but not the true coast to coast set of tracks that I thought was completed there.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
11. To my knowledge, yes.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:07 PM
May 2013

The terminus in the middle of the country for the major railroads has always been either Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, or New Orleans - essentially the Mississippi River.



Here's the UP system;


Here's the BNSF system;

(FWIW, the BNSF trackage from the California line to the NM/TX line is among the busiest freight rail corridors in the country, with a train passing through Clovis, NM on average every 7 minutes.)

Here's the Norfolk Southern system;


And here is the CSX system map;
?184

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
3. Happy B-Day. People forget how important rail still is for freight.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:47 AM
May 2013

Air travel may have largely killed off passenger rail for longer distances but it's still key for moving freight. And maybe they really will fulfill the promise of high speed rail, maglev etc.., one day which will move the pendulum back to rail for medium distance passenger travel.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
4. I don't think people 'forget,' but they've never known, just us geeks!
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:00 AM
May 2013

Last edited Fri May 10, 2013, 03:05 AM - Edit history (2)

Class I freight railroads report revenues greater than $346.8 million. There are seven U.S. freight railroads, and they haul more than 67 percent of the nation's freight. They operate 3,200 to 32,000 miles (5,150 to 51,499 kilometers) of track and typically engage in long hauls.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/train3.htm

EDIT: Rail carriers decided they couldn't handle passenger transportation well, their use deteriorated during the 1960s, and in 1970, the Rail Passenger Service Act was passed, creating Amtrak, splitting U.S. freight from passenger service.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
6. A toast to many of the builders...from China
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:20 AM
May 2013

Who later came to San Francisco and made the city as diverse as it is.








 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. True! Gold mines, railroads, and (many don't know) the levee systems of the delta.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:16 AM
May 2013

I live east of the Bay Area on a house on a levee on a river in the Sacramento San Joaquin Delta.

Much of the land is below sea level, 25 feet and more below sea level!

And the work of reclaiming all of this land, of building levees with wheelbarrows, was done mostly by Chinese.

The town of Locke makes an interesting day trip destination for folks within an hour or two:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locke,_California

Brother Buzz

(36,422 posts)
27. And a lasting testament to their work: China Wall at Donner summit
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:16 PM
May 2013

It's an exquisitely fitted dry granite stone (well, bolder) wall supporting the original roadbed just spitting distance east of the Sierra summit.

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
12. Another railroad history buff here.
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:02 PM
May 2013

Do you ever read Classic Trains magazine?

Only mag subscription I've ever maintained for thirteen-some years. Fascinating photos and articles . . .

elleng

(130,895 posts)
15. No, Cat, I didn't,
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:08 PM
May 2013

as a relative newbie to railroads until I began regulating them around 1980, but good friends of mine at ICC could have WRITTEN about them, knew EVERYTHING, as they were in 'operations' and economics of the business. One of those guys loved to take vacations in Las Vegas SIMPLY to WATCH the big trains passing!

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
16. I'm sure the ICC was interesting work.
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
May 2013

As for me, I grew up a hundred feet from the MoPac . . . It was my playground! ;~)

elleng

(130,895 posts)
19. Became very interesting work,
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:55 PM
May 2013

after I learned a bit. Was involved with evaluating mergers, including MoPa;c UP/MP/WP. Took a fabulous trip, with colleagues, BY RAIL, through the territory. Would have waived to you, had I known!!!

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
21. Wow!
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

So that was Ellen, riding in style, in the blue business car at the tail-end of the Amtrak. Far out!

elleng

(130,895 posts)
22. HELL NO, NOT on Amtrak, FRONT of UP business car, just a few of us
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
May 2013

then evaluating the big merger. And most of the lines over which we rode were probably not in the Amtrak system, tho can't be sure of that; was a long time ago!

Were standing up and my 'operating' colleagues were actually evaluating the system vis a vis ability to sustain expected traffic due to merger.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
14. Sorry to say that came longer ago than 144 years,
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:04 PM
May 2013

more closely related to T. Jefferson's sponsored exploration of the West.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
18. We're supposed to (finally!) make the ride out to Promontory
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

this weekend, after a mere 3 years of pestering the SO about it. Thanks for the bit of trivia!

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
24. Here you go! (pics)
Sun May 12, 2013, 09:08 PM
May 2013

What a beautiful day for a ride! Sunny and in the 80s.





Worker memorials




The spike spot is between the two trains:







There were supposed to be some pictures of the Spiral Jetty as well, which is only 16 miles up the road from Promontory, but we failed to realize that getting gas at Corrine, right as you get off the freeway, wasn't optional. We didn't have enough fuel to make the extra 32-mile round trip and had to turn back. But, it was a beautiful ride on a perfect day, and we're looking forward to making another trip to go out to the jetty.

I am sunburned and tired. This was an awesome first ride of the season!

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