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jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
Sat May 11, 2013, 07:18 PM May 2013

I watched the last two versions of The Great Gatsby last night

While waiting for the showing of the new version to start at the theatre, I stopped by a video store...they had the Robert Redford version of this on Blu-Ray, so I snagged it...watched the film at the theatre, then went home and watched it again.

I've come to the conclusion you can't make a great movie out of this book. BOTH versions were only fair as movies. They were also very, very similar, as one would expect. DiCaprio is a great student of film history, and it's obvious he closely studied the Redford version; some of the things he did (like Gatsby's reaching out with his hand while he was standing on the pier) were almost identical to things Redford did.

(Spoiler alert) In the new version, Nick is a hopeless alcoholic in a sanitarium, and the story is a series of recollections and confessions to his psychiatrist - which he typed out into the form of the novel. The Redford version tells the tale straight out.

The hip-hop soundtrack in the new version really isn't as strange as you'd think it would be - not as strange as the 3-d effects. This movie was shot with 3-d cameras, so there's no reason for the actors to look like they were cut out and pasted on top of the backgrounds. When there weren't any people in the movie, the 3-d was very impressive; when people were there, it looked like "a 3-d movie." (Apparently this is what people expect 3-d movies to look like, and when you pay that extra $3.50 I guess you want proof you're at a 3-d movie.) Gatsby isn't really the kind of film 3-d adds anything to, and in this case it takes away - even though it shouldn't have. See it in 2-d.

I liked Nick's voiceover in the new one. The superimposed typing wasn't all that necessary.

My impression: the Redford one was good but not great, the new one was also good but not great (although the critics are gonna go "it sucked because it wasn't the Robert Redford version" to which I wonder, if all you want is the Redford version why not just watch that?), the book really was great.

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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
1. we recently re-watched the Redford version. Dern does a remarkable job being a hateful character.
Sat May 11, 2013, 07:23 PM
May 2013

The movie is quite dark and depressing, of course. Not sure if we are going to see the remake...

I am not too much of a fan of fooling around too much just because...the recent Anna Karenina didn't make it 30 min into the movie before we whisked it back into its Netflix envelope.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
2. There's also a BBC version that is supposed to be not so good either
Sat May 11, 2013, 09:01 PM
May 2013

I don't think that the book is unfilmable, I just think that nobody has approached it correctly.

But I knew this version wouldn't be any good because of the inexplicable move to put the movie in 3D, and because Baz Luhrmann is not the right director for this story. But give it to somebody like Martin Scorsese, or perhaps Ben Affleck who have shown that they can do understated drama. Baz Luhrmann has directed films that needed spectacle, where The Great Gatsby only uses spectacle to contrast with the character of Gatsby. So a director that focuses on character drama would be a better choice. Unfortunately there are relatively few of those as the general public seems to prefer big blow em up movies or otherwise flashy movies.

UTUSN

(70,694 posts)
3. SEVERE spoiler alert, SERIESLY!1 I saw it today and DON'T READ THIS if you want to see for yourself
Sat May 11, 2013, 11:04 PM
May 2013

Last edited Sun May 12, 2013, 11:19 AM - Edit history (2)

Scratch off To-Do list: Saw The Great Gatsby. Are To-Do(s) “chores”?

First of all, going to actual theaters to see movies for me can be numbered in less than a dozen in the past fifteen years, so I’m, like, raised by wolves just in that part of the activity itself.

I go on weekdays and at the Noon showings when there shouldn’t be any kids, or hardly anybody, there, besides that in my area the type of movies I see are not for the locals, yes I’m so exquisite. But this time, for reasons, I had to do it on a Saturday afternoon and the building was crammed, and to my surprise, the Gatsby compartment was almost half full.

Just before the previews, when I thought everybody was in place and I was suitably sequestered, three young girls clambered up the steps to my perch at the top and, bless their hearts, just had to sit a few seats from me. Two of them were giggling and yakking up a storm and the other one was chomping on popcorn. Just by the sounds, it didn’t seem to me that they were a Gatsby crowd, whatever that means. But they became key to my response to the movie.

I had read a half dozen reviews and one diss and one plaudit for the director, so the expectations were that, supposedly, DiCAPRIO and the Jordan actress were fairly good, better than the rest of the cast, that the Nick and Tom BUCHANAN actors were fairly bad, and that the spectacles and all other visuals were spectacular.

One of the reviewers said that if you hadn’t read the book in years, not to do it until after the movie so as not to obsess about details from the book left in or out. I haven’t read the book in forty years, and not much of it stayed with me, certainly not like DOSTOYEVSKY, HAWTHORNE, MELVILLE or several others. All in my chit chat account was what just anybody (not Lit majors, as I *was*) would know: “Great Am novel, blah blah, American Dream, blah, green light, blah and blah, what anybody with American Civ summaries might know (is Am Civ still something?!1).

There has been talk, here and elsewhere, about the book being so itself that it can’t be filmed, and how some aficionados will stay away from ANY film. I had to see it because it’s a Lit thing.

O.K., these are my very own personal opinions etched in stone: The visuals of the whole thing are precious, with “precious” having its good and its snotty side. The main thought in seeing the party and crowd scenes and the recreations of New York and the masses and the neighborhoods was: What an incredibly complicated feat this was for a director to put together, meaning that it called attention to the physical technicalities of making that movie instead of letting you (be lost in thought, brood, build castles in air, chew over, cogitate, consider, contemplate, deliberate, feel, meditate, moon*, mull over, percolate, ponder, puzzle over, reflect, revolve, roll, ruminate, speculate, think, think over, turn over, weigh ) on the content. I’m not fascinated by Busby BERKELEY spectacles.

My single biggest gripe was the Nick actor. But when the lead actor is baby faced, his sidekick has to have even less gravitas. Either the character or the actor had a limited number of responses, and this actor’s looks and voice got to be irritating since he was the unifying factor for everything.

I had seen trailers showcasing the characters and the Jordan actress certainly had the look of hardened sophistication that made me expect snappy dialog, but all I got was the look in a very brief role. The Tom BUCHANAN actor was panned for looking like a Snidely WHIPLASH type of appearance, but actually, as the movie went on, it became a settled conclusion that all of these characters as presented were a mixture of cartoons and mannequins.

But now to Leonardo and the giddy girls in my row of seats. His first appearance begged for the kind of entrance that Orson WELLS got in The Third Man and STREISAND in Funny Girl, but fireworks don’t work that kind of magic. But the two girls in my row of seats SQUEALED in a mature, subdued way that was only audible to me and the row in front of us. It became apparent that they were there because they think Leonardo is CUTE. I saw Gangs of New York and The Aviator and maybe one other thing of DiCAPRIO’s but had not focused on him at all, certainly not like the earlier PACINO and NICHOLSON, but I had a vague feeling that he’s likeable and sort of pity that he seems to have been passed over more than once and thought this might be it for him to go for broke, but he ain't doing it here, either.

And that’s the bottom line. Halfway through the movie, it all became an adolescent “love” story, a Romance Novel for teens, with the girls in my row verbalizing approvingly of Daisy’s every “love” activity, how a girl just must love getting a roomful of flowers, and how CUTE Leonardo is, “loving” her and just doting on her, not really HER, more like everything in his mind about how she supposedly was. I say, in his mind, because the two characters (in this movie) are seldom actually in each other’s presence or interacting when they are. Whether it’s the movie or the book, but this GAtsby is not in love with a real person, is in love with his mental image or else in love with THE IDEA of his being in love. And for something (the movie? the book?) being hyped so much for its DEBAUCHERY, it was all hopping and jumping “dancing” without actual debauchery. Even the one sex scene was a Pasteurized, sterilized, shoulders-up thing. And Leonardo in his strappy-top bathing suit looked absurd, period costume or no period costume. The two characters with more time together were Gatsby and Nick, and given the actors involved, it was hard to see why.

Daisy is said to be superficial, but as things are presented in this movie, the FIVE YEARS when he had NO CONTACT with her, and NOW supposedly is totally obsessed with her, is a total adolescent fantasy of “being in love with love,” which is why the girls in my row of seats were enthralled and approving of this movie. Those FIVE YEARS were referenced a lot, and given that, Daisy was not that superficial to dismiss GATSBY as a choice. Whatever the “reason” for the FIVE YEARS, whether making money or adventures, it just don’t add up to “love.”

The girls in my row of seats were probably certainly too young to see Titanic back when, but they have probably seen it since, and probably multiple times, so they were not disappointed in these pretty pictures and the “love” story here.

One pleasant surprise for me: The soundtrack. I had been really wary about this director’s reputation (I haven’t seen Moulin Rouge or anything else of his), have just heard about his wild anachronisms in his movies music. And when I heard that rap and GERSHWIN were being mashed here, I had dread. But the whole soundtrack was unintrusive, pleasant, and not overbearing.

On my way out, a couple in their 20s were behind me, and the dude (NOT a Lit major) said, “That was a good movie!1 Was it a TRUE STORY?!1” His girlfriend said, possibly embarrassed for him, “I don’t think so.”

As for seeing it or not, we all MUST see it, just because it’s a Gatsby project. I eschewed the 3D, but the 2D still was obvious when gestures and objects were made to fly into your face.

And, before I saw this DU thread, I had decided to look up the REDFORD-FARROW version.

UTUSN

(70,694 posts)
4. Addendum: 2 points, something for everybody
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:25 AM
May 2013

1) An adolescent girl's fantasy of being "loved".

2) An adolescent boy's growing suspicion that he's a victim/martyr, made that way by women, no matter WHAT or how hard he tries.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. I have the same talents
Sun May 12, 2013, 10:58 AM
May 2013

13 people have me on ignore so I guess I'm pretty successful when I want to be a jerk.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
9. "A romance novel for teens"
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:54 PM
May 2013

That seems to be the only kind of movie Leo is capable of making. Titanic was fairly obvious, but look at The Aviator...Howard the Engineer and Howard the Movie Producer were almost afterthoughts stuck in there to explain how he could afford to be Howard the Starlet Bedder and Howard the Eccentric, Reclusive Nut.a

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
8. Thanks for the spoiler. Really.
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:07 PM
May 2013

Now I **know** I won't be spending good money to see this. Taking liberties like making Nick an alcoholic is outrageous. Say what you will about the Redford version (which I don't like -- one of the worst acted movies I've ever seen, with perhaps the exception of Sam Waterston as Nick) it stayed true to the story. That's how I expect a classic to be treated.

I just wish Hollywood would leave the book alone. It has been proven at least four times now that it just does not translate to the big screen.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
10. The really irritating part of this movie...
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:11 PM
May 2013

Hollywood has this outrageous habit of filming one book repeatedly. Think Shakespeare, or this book. Or worse, they make films "based on" things that really don't lend themselves to direct adaptation, like board games and pregnancy books.

One of my favorite books is a real-life spy novel called Inside The Aquarium.(The Aquarium is the nickname for Soviet military intelligence headquarters...apparently the letters GRU were so secret they could put them on their staff cars' license plates without attracting notice.) A good movie based on that book would be popular, but they'll never make it...best to make the third or fourth version of Gatsby, another Star Trek film, or the ninetieth version of A Christmas Carol, because you know you'll get your money back.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
11. Who coined the phrase " never judge a book by it's movie " ?
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:26 PM
May 2013

Going to a movie now is a big deal $$

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