PAIN!

[ConcernedCanuk]

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How do you deal with it without medication?

A recent extraction of my last remaining teeth in the lower gum over a week ago has left me with extreme pain.

I did have medication for the first 5 days, but doctors refused to renew a script.

Tried eating, but being the bottom gum, and major holes left behind, food particles get in there that I have been unable to flush out so I've practically stopped eating. Pain increases monumentally after eating.

Not a good thing I know -

But what is my choice?

Humans are not the only species that avoid pain at all costs.

I got things to do, but I am staying at home like a recluse/invalid.

Suggestions anyone?

CC

[Sedona]

1. I'm not a doctor but.....

are you running a fever? After almost a week I'd be concerned about an infection. Go back to the doctor.

[ConcernedCanuk]

3. no fever

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And the extraction was done out of town - do not feel capable of driving that far.

CC

[2theleft]

2. are you doing the salt with warm water rinses?

My boyfriend just had a tooth removed that had an abscess. The salt water rinses really help him for a some relief. That and ibuprofen after the pain pills rain out for the inflammation. Ice packs can sometimes work as well.

[ConcernedCanuk]

5. SALT? in an already painful area?

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nope - definitely not.

tried ibruprofen - made my mouth and stomach feel like a stinky garbage can.

I had 7 removed - and they were in bad shape.

Time will heal all, but as I said before

This interim is hell . . .

CC

[2theleft]

6. It's not as bad as it sounds...it's dilluted with the warm water...

although, if it is that painful, I agree with the others that might be a risk of infection. Probably worth a follow up to the doc. I did the salt rinses after my wisdom teeth were cut out and it kind of burned a little, but then for whatever reason felt better.

[LiberalEsto]

8. Could you have dry socket?

Salt water rinses helped a lot when I had molars pulled.

I wonder if you've got what's called a dry socket. I had one a few years ago and it was agony.
Here's a link to information:

http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/guide/dry-socket-symptoms-and-treatment

I suggest you go to a local dentist for help, if that's possible.

Hope you feel better.

[patricia92243]

19. Dry Socket was the worst pain I have ever experienced - and I have had three children.

The dentist put some kind of white stuff - looked like putty - in the dry socket and it still took days to heal up completely.

CC definitely needs to go to the doctor - not necessarily the dentist. Any infection in the head is bad news - too close to the brain.

[ConcernedCanuk]

23. I did go to a doctor, then talked to my oral surgeon's office

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This was last Thursday.

Doctor would not prescribe, neither would the oral surgeon.

Laying on my couch all day - fricken invalid with this pain.

did some research on that dry socket thing,

I DO have some awful big holes there.

Bottom gum feels like its on fire, though no obvious swelling, discoloration.

get occasional headaches ( never get headaches normally) that bring tears to my eyes.

Yeah, something is not right - I've had teeth removed before, this was the last of them.

Hospital won't help,

tomorrow (Monday) is a holiday here so even our local dentist will not be open.

I may try our local dentist Tuesday,

but in the meantime . . . .

frickadeee . . .

CC

[a la izquierda]

14. It's soothing, believe it or not.

Warm water and a teaspoon of salt. It's like scratching a really annoying itch...feels pretty good.

Good luck. Tooth pain sucks. I have large sinuses and when my allergies flare, the tooth pain is excruciating.

[pipi_k]

16. Oh yeah...

I've had open sockets too, from many extractions, and the advice has always been to rinse with salt water. I use salt water for lots of things, plus it's a mild disinfectant.

One time I had a particularly painful socket that was almost as bad as the original toothache.

After a few days I decided to apply heat to my face with a heating pad.

A day later I felt a mouthful of blood that actually leaked out onto the heating pad cover. The smell was awful, but the pain was gone.

This far in from the procedure, you should not be having such pain. My best advice would be to see another dentist or go to the ER.

As far as food particles getting in, maybe for a few days you can do a liquid supplement diet or mashed potatoes or pudding...something soft that won't leave a bunch of particles behind

[winter is coming]

17. Yes, gargle with salt. It will help. I'm surprised the dentist didn't suggest it.

And I agree with others that you should get yourself checked for the possibility of infection. You shouldn't still be in that much pain, IMO.

[marzipanni]

22. Normal saline, 1/4 - 1 teaspoon salt per 8 ounces warm water does not sting

It has the same saltiness as tears or blood. If you put it on a cut it stings less than plain water! You should only rinse gently, but I've never heard of an oral surgeon not recommending it starting 24 hours after extraction.


Google "mouth care after tooth extraction" and you'll find instructions to rinse with this mildly salty solution in each website.
http://www.uofmmedicalcenter.org/HealthLibrary/Article/84678

[lunatica]

38. Rinsing with warm water with salt in it will reduce the pain, not increase it.

And you can do it any time you want because you're not taking medication.

Man! Years before I had all my molars removed the periodontist did surgery on my upper and lower gums on one side. It hurt so much that I couldn't eat at all. It was simply too painful to even touch my teeth together. The pain lasted a long time just like yours. Warm water salt rinses helped a great deal.

[AngryOldDem]

61. That's not a bad suggestion.

It actually numbs mouth pain and helps it heal. Just make sure the water is warm, and the salt has completely dissolved.

I sympathize. My daughter had her wisdom teeth pulled over Christmas, and then developed a dry socket from one of them. I know how much she was hurting.

[fizzgig]

4. sounds like an infection to me

had the same thing after having my wisdom teeth pulled.

get to the doc.

[ConcernedCanuk]

7. I WENT to our emerg here Thursday

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They advised me to go back to the surgeon (45 miles away) that did the surgery.

I did have reason to go there Friday last week, (the town where the surgeon is located) but his office is not open on Fridays.

Our mega-million dollar new hospital is pretty useless in my opinion.

As for the doctor's code of "alleviating pain"

That is bullshit.

CC

[nolabear]

9. Do the saline rinse. It'll help. You may have dry sockets.

Typically a clot forms and protects the socket as it heals outward. If that doesn't happen it can be extremely painful though it'll eventually get better. If you have an infection though it needs treatment soon. Call that dentist. Even if you can't go in he owes you help and advice. He has an emergency number. Call it and tell him you need help. I'm serious.

[fizzgig]

10. what a load

i'm sorry you're hurting.

clove oil will help numb your gums, but definitely call the surgeon.

[7wo7rees]

66. ^ This.

Had two pulled last week. Doc reco'd saltwater. Didn't need it. Didn't need the hydrocodones either. Not enough pain. Get your doc on the phone for a consult or go to ER and get drugs and an inspection for infection.

[Sedona]

11. You need to be checked for infection

The pain, even in your circumstances should not still be extreme.

[darkangel218]

12. I had pain up to 3 weeks after they extracted my wisdom teeth

I think its normal, as long as you don't show signs of infections. It.takes time for the wound/nerves to heal.

[ConcernedCanuk]

24. I read dry socket pain can last up to 40 days!

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These extractions were all side by side at the front of my lower gum.

Two holes are almost 1/4 inch in diameter, and just as deep.

Can't keep food out of there, so ain't eating much.

When I do eat, I flush with a non-alcohol mouth-rinse (got no salt in the house, don't feel like driving to town).

doesn't ease the pain, but at least get most of the food out of the cavities.

CC

[TorchTheWitch]

68. the lower ones at the front are more likely to get dry socket

That's where I got both of mine, and I remember the dentist telling me that of all the teeth in your mouth including wisdom teeth those ones in the front on the bottom are the ones that are most prone to dry sockets.

I'm surprised your surgeon didn't put in sutures with that many teeth pulled. When I got the last four in my uppers taken out last summer the surgeon put in sutures to make sure I wouldn't get any dry sockets. Of course, I also told him that if he didn't put in sutures I would chase him around the building and beat him to death. LOL!

I'm really really puzzled that your surgeon and your dentist aren't prescribing something for this level of pain and having you checked out for infection. It really does sound like you might have at least one dry socket going on. I can't understand why the ER didn't at least get you some pain meds either. With my first dry socket I had to go the the ER since it was in the middle of the night that I just couldn't stand it anymore, and I didn't even think to call the dentist since I was certain with that much pain I had to be leaking brains or something, and they at least got me some narcotics and told me to call the dentist ASAP.

As others said, call the surgeon's office or the dentist's office right away. You're having an emergency with this much pain, and the very least they can do is call in some pain meds for you.

When I got my four ones pulled last summer I just had some minor soreness and that's it. You shouldn't be having this much pain from having these teeth pulled regardless of how many were taken out, so something is definitely wrong, and it's their JOB to deal with it right away even if all they can do is get you some serious pain meds.

I still can't figure why they didn't put in sutures though especially seeing as they were all the teeth that are most vulnerable to dry sockets, and you had so many pulled.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

13. if tylenol can not control the pain at this point, I would be inclined to consult a Doctor. n/t

[ConcernedCanuk]

15. Read up - I DID THAT!

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Our "Healthcare" may be free

but it sure ain't the best.

CC

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. sorry, I did not see anywhere on this thread where you have tried tylenol. I also agree

with the salt water rinses. There are natural herbal medicinals and antibotics out there but, I hesitate to recommend although I do use them my self on occasion with good results. Sorry, that you are hurting. Hope you feel better soon.

I am surmising that the ER ruled out infection.

[elleng]

18. 'Dry sockets' cause the WORST pain, ever, (see above,)

and can't believe doctor refuse medication for such. Wish I had better suggestion than returning to doctor, and/or a DENTIST who would KNOW something, and saying its MANDATORY.

[TorchTheWitch]

67. I got one twice and it was the WORST pain in the world

I seriously wanted to tear off my head. The only way I can describe it is being smashed in the face with a baseball bat and having that moment of impact frozen in time. Pain so bad you REALLY need to scream. It took a good two weeks before I could finally just take Advil every four hours instead of the narcotics. I hate narcotics, too, but never in a million years could I have survived that kind of agony without them.

[RILib]

20. not the ER

The ER is not really set up for stuff like this. Get to a local dentist promptly. A possible infection near the brain is nothing to mess with. An infected mouth can affect the heart as well.

If time is the solution they may at least renew your pain medication.

[In_The_Wind]

25. Scotch! Sip it slowly until the pain goes away.

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. Hard liquor gives me a massive headache

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Doing it with beer for the moment.

It's all I got . . .

CC

[In_The_Wind]

27. Just askin ... are the bubbles bothering you. Drink up! I did.

Only 1/2 my work is done. The worst is still ahead. I have no friggin' idea how I'll pay for extractions. The implants in the top were never finished thanks to Cousin Bernie. Fun fun fun.

[ConcernedCanuk]

46. this might be of interest to you

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Reason of the purchase had nothing to do with the unexpected pain thing.

Anyways, knowing I was going to be celebrating my new property, and also necessitating trips to town as cabs will not come out here (road is REAL bad) - purchased a professional breathalizer on-line for $400.

Now that I am "drinking it up" more than I ever did, not celebrating so much, just killing the pain and my brain a bit.

One time, after a morning binge, a meal and a nap I was getting ready to go to town - decided to use the brealyzer - blew .060.

I stayed home.

ANOTHER evening, just before dinner - rough day - checked after almost 10 hours of drinking - blew .400!

That's 8 times the legal limit.

And I'm still alive (not sure about my liver though).

Another day, blew .360.

Today - did chores driving around and didn't get home till about 6pm. Chored around my new place, pounding down the beers, pain subsided somewhat, made a meal, took me almost an hour to eat it - blew .267.

And I don't feel drunk.

The pain meds cost about 2 bucks a day - and I functioned normally.

Beer? - about 20 bucks a day, and not so normal.

And the pain is still there.

No sign of infection - careful to inspect my gum (lower) a few times a day, and rinse with a mouthwash after eating.

Extractions were on the 10th - so if the dry socket schedule is correct, my pain should be mostly gone by the middle of June.

Meanwhile, I'm "crippled" because the docs won't prescribe me medication I need.

"Free Health Care" my ass.

They do not "care" at all.

CC

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. A cotton ball soaked in whiskey was a classic remedy...

As was oil of cloves if you can find it.

[Duer 157099]

28. From a quote I heard on some TV show last night

Not even sure what I was watchng or where I heard it, but someone asked the question "how do you deal with the pain" and the answer was "The trick is to not care about it" or something like that.

And I thought, Yeah, as if. But I quess that's the answer.

[ConcernedCanuk]

29. Planters Warts now! ??

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Definitely got the "dry socket" thing going - learning to deal with that, but NOW !!

Planters warts ( I think)

Had them 50 or so years ago as a young teen.

Noticed an uncomfortable feeling in the bottom of my foot a week or so ago.

! walk around alot barefoot so figured I stepped on a hard rock or something.

Then under another spot, then another. 3 now - two on my left, one on my right.

Gave a close look at the bottom of my feet today after a good shower - 3 small tiny black dots in the flesh exactly where the pain comes from.

No swelling/callouses like I seem to remember from my youth

They are all almost 1 inch behind where the toe begins.

Not random at all, - right dead centre in the "buried" knuckle

More I think about it, "planter warts" were random . . .

Any ideas??

CC

[bike man]

45. Plantar warts (from the Latin 'planta', for sole) are less common in folks who

go barefoot a lot. Tougher skin, harder for the virus to take hold. Interesting Wiki info here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantar_wart'

[BainsBane]

30. sounds like you may have developed dry sockets

You shouldn't be having a lot of pain after an extraction. The worst pain is before because of a bad tooth. The extraction relieves it, unless you develop complications. I'd get back into the dentist ASAP. Or since the dentist is far away, find someplace local, even an emergency room.

[pamela]

31. Kratom

I use Kratom for severe back pain and spasms. It works better than Vicodin or morphine for my back. It gets a bad rap because idiots have started selling it in head shops and promoting it as a way to get fucked up but when used sensibly, it's the best thing I've ever found for pain. Not sure how it would work for tooth pain but for back pain, it's amazing.

[Chan790]

32. Ibuprofen.

When I had my dental extraction and no insurance to cover an expensive script...my dentist confided that it was his opinion that 1000mg ibuprofen (5x200mg OTC caplets) worked better than any script-painkiller for dental pain anyways. Check with your physician or pharmacist for drug conflicts or medical problems before adopting that course of action.

As for the holes and the food particles...they should have given you an irrigation syringe like this:



to rinse out your holes. If not, ask at your local drugstore. They almost certainly can sell you one, they may even give you one for free. (I've seen them sold for as much as $20 which is absurd because they wholesale for about $0.10ea.) Otherwise you can swish-n-spit with lukewarm salt water after every meal...or any alcohol-free mouthwash. Cleaning out the holes should alleviate the pain somewhat and reduce the incidence of infection.

[ConcernedCanuk]

34. Ibuprofen gives me bad reactions.

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I remembered from years ago, but tried it for this anyways.

My stomach felt like it was gonna puke any minute, and my mouth tasted like I ate rotten meat.

24 hours later I gave up and preferred the pain.

As for the syringe, I know about that - did my homework.

Our local pharmacist tried to sell me them little brushes that clean between your teeth!

I live outside a small town of 2,000 - 3 hour turnaround to the nearest city that would have the syringes. It's the same city where I got the surgery done - surgeon would not prescribe pain relief, and certainly did not accept my "diagnosis" of my condition - although he DID admit that having the amount of pain I was describing was unusual -DOH!

I have an alcohol-free mouthwash I use, but regardless, a few hours after I eat - the pain makes me useless for 6 -8 hours. I don't like beer right after food, so I suffer.

Beer helps - the coldness, plus sucking it back and forth over the holes cleans them out.

I'm a beer drinker by nature, but now drinking more than I even want to -

BUT IT WORKS!

thanks a lot doctors!! - more concerned about the fact that some sell their meds for $$,

than alleviating their patients pain . . .

I am not impressed.



CC

[pamela]

33. Ambesol and Chloraseptic

Both of those work as numbing agents for oral pain. It's temporary relief but very effective.

[ConcernedCanuk]

35. it's aNbesol and I have it.

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Tried it also.

I have two holes in my lower gum the size of a kernel of corn.

By the time I finally numbed the pain, I couldn't eat/drink/smoke without looking in a mirror - had no idea where my lips were -

And SURE as hell couldn't talk anywhere's near normal.

On the percs, everything was fine -

but the docs are all anal now about prescribing percs.

I'll bet my last fu*king dollar them docs would never allow themselves to suffer like this.

And I'd win.

CC

[zanana1]

37. Is Anbesol anything like Oragel?

I use Ora gel pretty often, but not only for my gums. I was having trouble with some hammertoes (The joints of my toes were rubbing up against my shoes). I got the idea to coat my toes with Ora Jel. It worked!

[In_The_Wind]

44. I'll try it on my feet.

I don't mind the smile lines that go with old age, but old ankles, feet and toes are a real problem.

[DebJ]

36. Come to the ER where I live. They hand out prescriptions for narcotic

pain killers for just about anything....even when I begged them to NOT give it
to me, they insisted........I asked for something else but they said that is all
they had available at the hospital pharmacy.

No wonder we have such a drug abuse problem here.............

[redwitch]

39. Warm salt water rinse is essential.

Warm moist heat applied to outside of face helps too but the warm salt water will help you feel better and fight off infection too.

[davsand]

40. On Dry sockets and plantars warts:

A dry socket hurts like a bitch. BTDT, and you have my deepest sympathy. Clove oil. Seriously. I went back to my oral surgeon and he took a little wad of cotton, dipped it in clove oil and jammed it down in that open hole. I almost came up outta that chair, but it helped a HUGE amount. I dunno that I'd want to jam anything in that open hole at home, but you might want to try applying clove oil to that hole and see if it abates the pain any...

As for the warts on your foot, if you want to treat those at home, go buy a package of those medicated corn plasters they sell in the grocery store. Put that little medicated disk on the black spots and cover with those padded disks. It'll take a couple of weeks, but you will get rid of the warts. I've also used fresh lemon peel taped over the wart, but it takes longer and I thought it hurt more.

I want to assert here, I am NOT a Doc, and you are capable of making your own calls about your health care--but this is what I have used personally, and it worked for me. Good luck, and feel better!




Laura

[tblue37]

41. Have you ever tried hypnosis? nt

[pinboy3niner]

48. Because flapping his arms and clucking might take his mind off the pain?

[tblue37]

51. Sorry--I have been offline, so I haven't responded.

I actually hypnotize friends and family for pain relief sometimes. It's very effective with a decent hypnosis subject. I helped a friend get off morphine that she had gotten addicted to after knee surgery. After our first session, she actually straightened the knee out all the way for the first time since the surgery.

Meanwhile, another friend--a skeptic who was observing while I hypnotized her, accidentally went under during the induction. He had been suffering from severe insomnia, and without event meaning to, I fixed that for him through an accidental observer induction. I suspect he wouldn't have been so susceptible if he had not been so tired, but he got his first good night's sleep in over a week!

I am a lousy subject myself. No one has ever gotten me under, and it took me a year of daily practice to even manage a light trance through self-hypnosis. But now, whenever I hypnotize someone else, I go into a light trance myself during the induction.

Hypnosis is very effective for pain relief--if the person is a reasonably decent subject.

[Separation]

43. If you smoked or drank through a straw

After having teeth extracted, I would be willing to bet %99.99 you have dry socket. The dentist should have warned you about this prior to and after the procedure. I would google dry socket home remedies until you can get back into the dentist.

[ConcernedCanuk]

47. Yep - smoked as soon as I could when released from the hospital

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The paperwork said not to smoke, but not why.

I figured it had something to do with infection/antibiotic - wasn't concerned.

and

I got TWO dry sockets. - still bleed occasionally. Was off the beer for a bit yesterday to get to town and back, was drinking them little juices (thru a straw) - that's when the bleeding started again.

Remembered your post, so got a coffee cup and squeezed the juice into it instead of sucking thru a straw. Still, - was tasting blood for hours afterwards.

Still no signs of infection, taking probiotics daily, so it's just a matter of time I suppose.

Should be done with it in 2 weeks or so -

Thank the spirits I'm living in a decent home now, not in a trailer with no facilities as I'd done for years until just recently.

CC

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

49. Oil of cloves

Not as nasty as it sounds.

[pinboy3niner]

50. Is it safe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Man_(film)

[ConcernedCanuk]

52. Figured out part of it

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just dug out two sharp pieces of broken tooth creeping out of them deep/dry sockets that can hold a kernel of corn.

Got my tongue on one sharp end right now I couldn't dig out.

oh yeah, I bled a bit digging out the other two, but not ready for any more pain at the moment.

Surgeons insist on an x-ray before the extractions - why do they not do one afterwards to see what they may have missed?

I'm already "under" - on the table - why could they not remove these tiny sharp pieces left behind?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I'm still in pain - and concerned with infection.

These holes, which should not be there at this point - collect food.

And food rots in a warm environment like the mouth.

I'm fortunate to be educated on probiotics, the antibiotics they gave me resulted in a crippling rash similar to hives on my hands after 3 days where I could not make a fist, or have my fingers close to each other. Took a week for that to subside after I quit the antibiotics.

Take Acidophilus daily now, usually twice - no infection - just the pain from them broken pieces emerging.

Are not doctors/surgeons supposed to be in that profession for alleviating pain and suffering?

Appears not

(sigh)

CC

[marzipanni]

53. Those fragments delay the healing process

I hope you can get the last one out, and your mouth will begin to feel better.

http://www.animated-teeth.com/tooth_extractions/a-tooth-fragment-sequestra.htm

[ConcernedCanuk]

56. No kidding - delay the healing process.

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and the constant pain is slowing me down (but not preventing me) from enjoying my new life.

Another day, maybe with more beer (my only pain killer at the moment) I'll dig the other one out.

I have a special mouthwash I bought to decrease chances of infection - plus I do believe the probiotics are helping as well.

I'm a better mechanic than doctors are doctors.

When I repair an engine,

It's repaired!!

CC

[MH1]

62. Kinda obvious at this point, but clearly you need a new dentist

One bad experience with a dentist and I never go back.

Of course I live in a megalopolis where I can take my pick. (I got lucky when I moved to my current residence, and the first guy I tried turns out to be one of the best in town. Now if only I can find an eye doctor that I feel as confident in.)

I hope this gets resolved and you are out of pain soon.

[ConcernedCanuk]

64. Failed to extract the one that is hurting the most.

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It is larger than I thought.

But I'll get it sooner or later -

I'd rather go toe to toe with an angry biker than go back to any of the local dentists.

I'm 150 pounds of wimpy -

figure it out.

CC

[ConcernedCanuk]

69. Friggin thing retreated

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Burying itself deeper

man Oh man I'm getting tired of this pain . .

and I don't know one single physician that will give a shit . .

so I'm not too impressed with Canada's "free" Health care . . .

but if it gets so bad that I'm incapacitated, they will send an ambulance to get me.

WHY WAIT? - frigadee . . .

CC

[Joe Shlabotnik]

54. Make friends with it.

Get to understand it, then defeat it at its own game by embracing it. I functioned well for a week with a broken jaw until infection hobbled me. Pain is in the mind, infection is another story.

[ConcernedCanuk]

59. "Pain is in the mind" - well yeah . .

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It's the body telling the brain something is WRONG!

Ignore it, make friends with it, embrace it - what the heck is that?

Found one of the pieces I dug out last night this morning, - nasty looking thing.

Had more than a few beers this morning, getting ready to go after one more of them.

It's coming out!

Not gonna " make friends with it, embrace it"

I'm going to get RID OF IT!!

CC

[Bertha Venation]

55. no suggestions, only good thoughts

Best wishes and vibes to you, CC

[ConcernedCanuk]

57. Thank you, I'll make it

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CC

[Locut0s]

58. Wow sorry to hear this CC. Don't think it has much to do with Canadian health care...

As much as possibly a crappy doctor, every system is going to have their share of shitty doctors.

I had all 4 of my wisdoms out a few years back and luckily I never developed dry sockets. Couldn't eat solid food for a day or so because of the gauze they told me to keep in my mouth and the pain meant I couldn't open my mouth wide enough. But this went away in about 2 or 3 days.

Have you been doing the salt water thing? That really sucks that they won't give you pain meds. I've never had problems with that. If anything most DRs I've been to prescribe too freely.

[ConcernedCanuk]

60. yeah it does - took me off of pain meds

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with the statements - "worried about addiction" "society has changed" - re percocets.

percs killed the pain, no side effects - could eat/sleep/function normally - now I'm stuck at home cuz I can't drive anywhere (gave up drinking and driving decades ago)

I SHOULDN'T be eating real food - get's in these deep holes - but I've always needed a high caloric and protein intake. "fast metabolism" my family doctor named it back in the 70's.

But I've been very careful cleaning out these holes - check them more than once a day - silly or foolish as it may sound, I believe the beer drinking helps - not for my liver, but with an almost constant flush of them holes.

Salt water ain't gonna help evict these sharp glass-like pieces out of my gums. I gotta DIG them out.

THAT should have been done by the "professional" surgeon over a month ago.

Now, this old retired mechanic is gonna get a few sharp items, tweezers, pliers if necessary and dig the fu*ker out.

with pain meds, it would work itself out naturally in time with no suffering.

Tired of suffering

Very tired . .

CC

[Locut0s]

63. That's just unacceptable...

I would complain vociferously about that kind of treatment to someone! Though living in a rural part of Ontario like you do maybe you don't have much choice. I know our system has its problems, maybe this IS a symptom. I'm just quick to defend in the face of the horrors of the US system. I wish it were better though, no doubt. Much of Europe has it better.

[ConcernedCanuk]

65. Oh I complained,

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of being cut off pain meds for a previous extraction of 15 teeth - in writing to the hospital administration (they never responded) -

quoting the doctor that refused the meds with a quip "no pain no gain"

yup - that's what the doctor said! "no pain - no gain"

Humanitarian my ass - these doctors are in it for the money - don't really give a shit about their patients.

Problem with our system, being paid for from our taxes - they get paid whether or not they do a decent job.

One doctor told me on another occasion to "speed it up" while I tried to explain my symptoms/problems as they were slotted only 8 minutes per visit -

That's a small sample of our "free" "universal" health care.

Our Healthcare system has consistently gone down the toilet since Harper-Dude got in.

Coincidence ? . .

I think not.

CC