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(72,300 posts)Autobahn
kentauros
(29,414 posts)However, without Kraftwerk, we might never have had techno.
olddots
(10,237 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,122 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Tubular Bells might be ok, but this is like asking what's better between The Beatles' Revolver and... well, almost anything else that came out around the same time (and there were loads of other great things out at the time, but... you know... come on!!). Kraftwerk were one of the most innovative groups in pop music history. Mike Oldfield made some decent records. No comparison.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Thank god they had George Martin to help them get the sounds they wanted...
Revolver was one of those albums that delineates how music was made.
Rubber Soul was very good but Revolver set the table for Rock music to be taken seriously.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)maybe my favourite, and quite likely one of the most important in pop music. However, after them, the next most important group was Kraftwerk, probably starting with Autobahn. I don't know if there's been anything in pop music as important as those two bands since.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I kid I kid...
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I think "Toxic" was the best pop song of the last decade.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Also, I have no idea what the Beatles' Revolver album is, because I've never owned anything by them and never will. I acknowledge that they were innovative but I never really cared for them much at all.
Mike Oldfield is an amazing guitarist and has done plenty of great albums since (favorite is "Songs of Distant Earth." Without Kraftwerk, the electronic field might have remained simply in the realm of bad science-fiction soundtracks and nothing more.
The comparison is primarily of a chronological one, anyway, playing on that other similar thread in the Lounge. Both came out in the early 1970s and both sold millions (Virgin Records wouldn't have made it without Oldfield.)
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)However, he certainly is not and was not a transformative figure in the history of popular music.
To compare things from a little later, it's like asking what's better between The Vibrators "Pure Mania" and the debut album from The Clash. "Pure Mania" is an amazing record, but The Vibrators just aren't The Clash. Both came out in 1977, and while "Pure Mania" has staying power, "The Clash" directly influenced the direction music would take for the next 20+ years.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)but was certainly a big influence on prog/art rock. Well, at least by my take on it. I haven't heard everything yet
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)That's how I got into his stuff (and Kraftwerk for that matter - I was a big prog geek in my teens).
Just think about it by trying to finish these sentences:
1. Without Mike Oldfield, we wouldn't have ...
2. Without Kraftwerk, we wouldn't have ...
The first one leaves me with a blank. The second one would be too expansive for a musicological doctoral thesis.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Without Mike Oldfield we wouldn't have Virgin Records, and all their current subsidiaries. Branson wouldn't have become what he is today. Hasn't he done some good in the world with his billions? Not that I'm a fan of him, just that Oldfield put his record company on the map.
I find it a mistake to define pop music broadly, as it is a specific genre. Prog/art rock doesn't get nearly as much airplay in the US, unless you listen to public radio. And for the few people that do, they only listen to it for NPR; they don't stick around for the music they'll never, ever hear on commercial stations.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I seem to remember prog getting a fair amount of airplay in the US when I was growing up. Sure, we didn't hear any super-obscure stuff, but things like "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" and "Roundabout" were radio staples, and stuff from the 80's incarnation of King Crimson definitely got airplay. Granted, that would never happen with current bands, but there'd never be current punk bands played either, whereas some of the first music I remember taking note of on the radio was The Clash and Madness.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)or rather, if you lived in LA, New York, or any other "influential" major city (like Chicago) then you probably heard that kind of music on the air. You didn't hear it on commercial stations anywhere else. NY and LA are still the leaders in commercial radio. Everyone else is strictly a follower, and even then, only if it's "commercially safe" locally to air whatever it is.
Although, even there, I remember reading the printed playlists for a station where I worked during a format transition. It was all out of their HQ in Chicago. There was no local determination of what songs were played. Luckily, I didn't have to go on mic, and my slot was between 12 and 6am, so I managed to slip in the kind of music that never got airplay on commercial radio in Houston (such as Oingo Boingo, Oldfield, Wall of Voodoo, and Ozric Tentacles.)
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Ozrics were my favourite band growing up. I doubt they got any radio attention, but they had a good fan base in the 90's. It probably doesn't exist anymore, but there were prominent local stations and DJs who would play weird stuff (granted in those weird hours, and on Sunday nights, etc.). I know that I first heard of Djam Karet on the radio. Oingo Boingo I thought of as mainstream, and Wall of Voodoo were definitely played regularly on the "alternative" station, though I'm at a loss now to recall a single song of theirs.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)it was latenight only. They got the rest of their air-time on either KPFT (Pacifica) or KLRU (Rice University.)
Elfman has stated that he could always tell whether his audience was hearing them locally or not. If the majority were young, then the local commercial stations were playing them. If the audience was older, then no local commercial airplay. I can attest to that observation in Houston, as the three times I saw them here, the audience was primarily older. We still had a great time, though
"Flyover country" never led in band promotion on commercial stations. We only did what had been established on the coasts, and thus why I stopped listening to commercial stations in the 70s. My experience on volunteer radio got me a temporary job at that one commercial station. I was not surprised in the least for what was on their approved playlist, only that it didn't originate locally.
These days, when I listen to radio at all, it's online, and out of San Francisco (soma fm.)
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)That's almost complete talk radio - usually NPR affiliates, and usually not music.
A friend tipped me off to soma fm a few years ago, but I couldn't get into it. In the late 90's I had a lot of friends who worked for the local university radio, and they/we would play lots of crazy stuff, but they had crazy rules about not playing things too often. At the time, I was really into Australian twee pop, and my friends who had a show were chastised by their boss for playing too much of certain bands (which is kind of crazy in itself). The weirdest was when someone called in at like 4 or 5 am to request The Decemberists during the John Cage show - we played it.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I had one listener that wanted "One of Our Submarines Is Missing" (Thomas Dolby) played week after week. I flat out told him no, that I'd played it the week before, and would maybe play it again in a few months. When you have your own large library as well as the station's huge library to access, why play something more than a few times a year?
You ought to have a look at soma fm again. If you like alt-rock, they have one called "Indie Pop Rocks" and another called "BAGel Radio" ("What alternative rock radio should sound like."
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Being really into music turned me into a "professional" ("compliments don't pay the bills" musician, but it also put me off listening to music very often outside of concerts. In the last place I lived (I'm again a sort of hobo composer), I had a stack of cds people had given me that I didn't get through after years of them building up on my desk. A friend I played a concert with yesterday gave me a cd - just now I realize that I didn't even consider listening to it. I figured I'd find it an listen to it in a few months.
Anyway, yeah, I get the purpose for not playing things too often, but what about recognizing quality? If there's a band that the DJs and listeners both really like, why not play them every week? If I had a radio show now, you can bet that I'd play Leonard Cohen and Morrissey almost every week. I'd mostly play other things, but there's nothing wrong with having some favourites.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)is that we had a limited time on the air, and only on once a week. That's 52 shows a year (I had a 3-hour show.) As I also filled at least 30 minutes with a ZBS radioplay installment as well as 60-90 minutes for a free-for-all "talk" show segment, the amount of time for music became precious. Sure, I would play an artist multiple times, but not the same cut.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,919 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Listened to a lot of that during my regular Thursday night bull sessions in college.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)Sounds like a good evening.
Autobahn first, then Tubular Bells.
See ya!
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Throw in the other, later versions of Tubular Bells and you'll have a complete listening experience
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)But have to say Kraftwerk to the max.
kentauros
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kwassa
(23,340 posts)I disliked them both. They also seemed to be played at every party back then.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Then again, I was only twelve at the time. I liked them both back then, and still do
TrogL
(32,822 posts)But I'm into minimalism
kentauros
(29,414 posts)though not like Glass or Reich. Maybe more like Laurie Anderson
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)ArnoldLayne
(2,067 posts)edbermac
(15,937 posts)Great music and great album cover.
I miss vinyl album covers.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)It's an example of amazing musical composition, especially considering he wrote a timeless piece (one of three) at the relatively young age of 18. On Saturday, it celebrated it's 40th anniversary of it's release.
Tubular Bells II features Alan Rickman in a near-pre-Snape voice doing the Viv Stanshall role.