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ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:17 AM Jun 2013

Are you a drinker, or a drunk?

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or none of the above?

It took me decades to differentiate between drinkers and drunks.

Drunks - that is a person (imo) that cannot function without booze. They constantly wander around with booze in their hand, maybe in their pocket or what I call a "beer bag" - visiting other drunks who mostly associate with other drunks.

Drinkers - those that separate drinking from their daily life, jobs, family, other responsibilities but "party hardy" with friends they trust.

This is not a scientific study - SO

probably more realistic.

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Are you a drinker, or a drunk? (Original Post) ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 OP
Dabbler In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #1
Same here, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2013 #3
"I don't think I do ANYTHING as much as I once did" ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #10
There are still a few things do as much as I always did. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #27
Not even that ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2013 #34
Oh yeah! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #35
We can't. ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #7
Drinking improves my appetite sometimes. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #28
Recovering. Chan790 Jun 2013 #2
LOL -read that wrong at first ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #8
Drinker. pink-o Jun 2013 #4
Social Drinker. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #5
I use to be a drunk pintobean Jun 2013 #6
"Drunks" strikes me as an old-fashioned, harshly judgmental term.. MiddleFingerMom Jun 2013 #9
Former barely-functioning alcoholic TrogL Jun 2013 #44
Teetotaler. femmocrat Jun 2013 #11
Me too, though no alcoholics in the family. I'm still too young. DFW Jun 2013 #20
I probably don't drink as much as I should. MiddleFingerMom Jun 2013 #22
I think W.C. Fields held that very same position. n/t DFW Jun 2013 #33
A water boy Generic Brad Jun 2013 #12
Water gives me a gut ache. ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #32
Neither, but... pipi_k Jun 2013 #13
You're lucky to not have inherited the condition, pipi, elleng Jun 2013 #19
I ain't drunk, I'm just drinkin' Doc_Technical Jun 2013 #14
I just take a little, every now and then...... Mopar151 Jun 2013 #51
I don't care... what the PEOPLE are thinkin'... Love that song. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #62
I consume 3 or 4 alcoholic drinks a year, tops. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #15
welcome to DU and The Lounge, Rod Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #16
Thanks! Rod Walker Jun 2013 #17
Welcome, Rod!!! MiddleFingerMom Jun 2013 #23
Hello ~ Rod Walker In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #25
Wow, must be some big-assed drinks if 3 or 4 can last a year. Kennah Jun 2013 #50
If this is a serious question, there are answers here. elleng Jun 2013 #18
!!! MiddleFingerMom Jun 2013 #24
None for me thank you... ileus Jun 2013 #21
Drinker. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #26
That would make me a drinker arcane1 Jun 2013 #29
yup I agree. ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #36
I do get like that occasionally. Not "mean" but definitely sad or angry. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #76
Used to be a drunk.... Wounded Bear Jun 2013 #30
If you don't drink, then all of your stories suck and end with, 'And then I got home' Major Nikon Jun 2013 #31
6 signs that you are dating an alcoholic KurtNYC Jun 2013 #37
The first time you hear this song, it is chillingly familiar.... Mopar151 Jun 2013 #53
Discerning microbrew drinker (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #38
Same here HarveyDarkey Jun 2013 #47
Drinker! bigwillq Jun 2013 #39
Usually a drinker, but starting today EvilAL Jun 2013 #40
enjoy, but don't drive please ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #71
Nah, I don't drink and drive, EvilAL Jun 2013 #79
Yes. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #41
Oh, I'm a drunk.... lastlib Jun 2013 #42
"we drunks don't have to go to all those damned meetings!!" ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #43
Saw some T-shirts like that in England TrogL Jun 2013 #45
Me neither. I never touch 12-step programs. Kennah Jun 2013 #49
...but I'm not as think as you drunkle peep I am........ lastlib Jun 2013 #60
Drinker, Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2013 #46
I only drink 4 times a year: Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter Kennah Jun 2013 #48
former functioning alcoholic, I think pokerfan Jun 2013 #52
I've always been a social drinker duuser5822 Jun 2013 #54
Hello ~ duuser5822 In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #67
Former drunk now definitely a drinker...as I've aged my tolerance has lowered Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #55
Drinker, and not a very heavy one. Alcohol is the least of my worries, substance-wise. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #56
former drinker - afraid if I drank again I'd never stop rurallib Jun 2013 #57
I have a can of AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #58
I'm a social drinker tabbycat31 Jun 2013 #59
I'm a drunk drinker Tobin S. Jun 2013 #61
and then there is a Dry Drunk Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #63
Teetotaler IrishEyes Jun 2013 #64
binge drinker/drunk? grok Jun 2013 #65
I can do both Kali Jun 2013 #66
Recovering drunk. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2013 #68
Does taking a drink across the street to the dog park count? bluedigger Jun 2013 #69
None of the above N.I.B. Jun 2013 #70
Hello ~ N.I.B. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #72
Hello In_The_Wind N.I.B. Jun 2013 #73
I hope you enjoy being here. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #74
Thanks N.I.B. Jun 2013 #75
I have always followed a personal rule: tavernier Jun 2013 #77
On the edge?... Locut0s Jun 2013 #78
"I'm trying not to drink now, with some success." ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #80
That's a unique position though. For others it's a real concern... Locut0s Jun 2013 #81
 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
10. "I don't think I do ANYTHING as much as I once did"
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

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No kidding!

Well, I do visit the loo more than I used to . . . .



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JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,676 posts)
34. Not even that ...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:01 AM
Jun 2013

... but it's one of my "retirement celebration" activities to look forward to... one of these years.



well, that, and afternoon naps

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
2. Recovering.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:17 AM
Jun 2013

Drinking is and was a bad time. I much prefer my other vices (adventure, gambling, high-speed, women) that don't leave me waking up like I'm waking the dead.

In terms of my approach to vice in general...the second. I'm a rock-star.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
8. LOL -read that wrong at first
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

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missed the comma (,) in

high-speed, women

still lol.

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pink-o

(4,056 posts)
4. Drinker.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jun 2013

Mom was a functioning alcoholic, and I was a bit worried I'd inherited her boozy proclivities. But for the last month, since returning from Europe and getting over jet lag, I've had no desire to drink.

So I guess I really can take it or leave it. Something that's always good to know.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
6. I use to be a drunk
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jun 2013

I was faced with a choice of my family or the booze. I went 18 years without drinking at all. Now, I will have an occasional beer or two. I haven't had as much as a buzz in nearly 23 years.

MiddleFingerMom

(25,163 posts)
9. "Drunks" strikes me as an old-fashioned, harshly judgmental term..
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jun 2013

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There are more levels, but I would break it crudely into four levels:
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1. Nondrinkers
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2. Social drinkers
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3. Functioning alcoholics
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4. Non-functioning alcoholics
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And in my experience, I knew many, MANY functioning alcoholics who considered
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femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
11. Teetotaler.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

(I looked up the correct spelling! LOL)

I come from a long line of alcoholics and didn't want to travel that highway to hell.

DFW

(60,144 posts)
20. Me too, though no alcoholics in the family. I'm still too young.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

When I was 7 years old, my parents gave a party at the house outside Washington. I saw their friends drinking all sorts of stuff I was unfamiliar with. The all let me try a sip of this or that. Whiskey, beer, wine, bourbon, etc. To each and every one of them, I made a face and said, YECCH!!!"

My parents explained to me that when I was old enough, I'd like those drinks, too.

I still hate the taste of all of them, so I am obviously still too young for alcohol. I'm only 61, so there's time, I guess, for my appreciation to materialize, but I might be waiting for Godot.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
32. Water gives me a gut ache.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jun 2013

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Does not matter whether it is city water, bottled water, well water, rainwater - my body does not like water!

It's fine with coffee, juices of some sort, but body is very discriminatory about what I put into it.

Body is ok with beer, a little wine now and then, hates hard liquor like whiskey and rum.

So I listen to body.

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pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
13. Neither, but...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jun 2013

I wanted to add that it's possible to be a "drinker" as opposed to a "drunk" but still be an alcoholic.

My father was an alcoholic. He never let alcohol interfere with his responsibilities to provide for his family, but when he got home, he was never without the ever-present bottle(s) of beer. At the dinner table. On his chairside table next to his recliner in the living room.

Visiting other relatives who also drank. He would often be drunk.

Anyway, I used to be what's considered a "drinker" in my younger years (got drunk with friends on weekends or whatever) but now I'm older it just doesn't have any appeal for me, and I doubt I have more than two glasses of whatever alcohol per year.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
19. You're lucky to not have inherited the condition, pipi,
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jun 2013

and fortunate that your father's condition did not interfere with his responsibilities.

Here's info I've shared elsewhere, for those interested: http://www.lakesidemilam.com/

 

Rod Walker

(187 posts)
15. I consume 3 or 4 alcoholic drinks a year, tops.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jun 2013

On the rare occasion that my gaming group proposes a toast of some type.

MiddleFingerMom

(25,163 posts)
23. Welcome, Rod!!!
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jun 2013

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Loungeaholism is not only not detrimental to your life... ir's probably GOOD for it!!!
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elleng

(141,926 posts)
18. If this is a serious question, there are answers here.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013

Alcoholism is a genetically transmitted condition that cannot be cured, but can be controlled.

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/

ileus

(15,396 posts)
21. None for me thank you...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jun 2013

I tried to drink to be social for years...finally realized it all tastes like crap. Can you add sugar to adult beverages to make them tolerable the way some people do to coffee and tea? (both those suck ass also)

I suppose if a 8yo can't drink it neither do I.

I remember as a kid in the 70's payday Friday always meant a trip to the ABC store.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
29. That would make me a drinker
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jun 2013

I tend to think of drunks also as people whose personality completely changes after a few drinks, and they become obnoxious in some way or another

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
36. yup I agree.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jun 2013

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I can drink and drink and drink, but rarely does my personality change.

Someone has to get in my face pretty aggressively for that to happen.

I've known too many people that get mean, obnoxious or right down maudlin after only one or two drinks.

Those are maybe not "drunks" (unless they keep doing it on a daily basis) - but definitely liquor intolerant.

I remember I had a girlfriend decades ago told me "I would never trust a man who couldn't drink".

She was on to something there,

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nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
76. I do get like that occasionally. Not "mean" but definitely sad or angry.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jun 2013

For some reason, there's a certain zone somewhere in-between "lightly buzzed" and "wasted" where I can start to dwell on certain things, without the usual inhibitions that keep me from talking (or yelling) about them. Strangely, I don't get like this when I'm really drunk - in that case I'm generally having a good time - but rather when I'm moderately tipsy.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
31. If you don't drink, then all of your stories suck and end with, 'And then I got home'
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jun 2013

-- Jim Jefferies

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
37. 6 signs that you are dating an alcoholic
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jun 2013

1. They want to pick up more booze on the way home from the bar (or they have more, or they ask if you have more) even though they are drunk.

2. They try to over-serve everyone else.

3. They know where all the brunch places are that serve on Sunday mornings.

4. Their hands shake in the morning.

5. They become depressed and angry when drinking.

6. To everyone else the problem is that the person "drinks too much" but to the alcoholic the problem is everyone else telling them not to drink.

If you can take or leave alcohol you should consider yourself lucky. It is a disease of which very few are cured. As addictions go it is one of the toughest because we are surrounded by alcohol advertising and places which sell it.

 

HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
47. Same here
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jun 2013

I do craft beer reviews on You Tube. Those are often the only beers I drink that day.

EvilAL

(1,437 posts)
40. Usually a drinker, but starting today
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jun 2013

I have 12 days off work, so I'll be a 'drunk' as per your description.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
71. enjoy, but don't drive please
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jun 2013

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I learned the hard way decades ago after nearly killing myself hitting a telephone pole head on at 50 miles an hour.

If I need something, or want to go somewhere I use a cab - MUCH cheaper than resulting fines, increased insurance costs, and so on.

Safer too.

Be safe.

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EvilAL

(1,437 posts)
79. Nah, I don't drink and drive,
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:15 AM
Jun 2013

I've stupidly done it before when I was younger, luckily nothing bad happened.

lastlib

(28,188 posts)
42. Oh, I'm a drunk....
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:52 PM
Jun 2013

the difference between a drunk an an alcoholic is--we drunks don't have to go to all those damned meetings!! or the 12-step programs......


(actually, I never touch the stuff! )

TrogL

(32,828 posts)
45. Saw some T-shirts like that in England
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jun 2013

I'm not an alcoholic
I'm a drunken slut
Alcoholics go to meetings

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
52. former functioning alcoholic, I think
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jun 2013

It didn't destroy my life or anything. Never went through AA or anything. I just got tired of it, especially waking up with headaches. So I just decided one day to no longer have it in the house. Because if it's there, I will drink it. I will have a drink or two on special occasions (and yeah, I still love it) but I think I've pretty much made my peace with the stuff.


"I'm an alcoholic. I don't have one drink. I don't understand people who have one drink. I don't understand people who leave half a glass of wine on the table. I don't understand people who say they've had enough. How can you have enough of feeling like this? How can you not want to feel like this longer? My brain works differently."

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
55. Former drunk now definitely a drinker...as I've aged my tolerance has lowered
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jun 2013

Can't hang like I could twenty years ago and I don't regret it even a little bit. "Less" is most certainly the older man's new "more".

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
56. Drinker, and not a very heavy one. Alcohol is the least of my worries, substance-wise.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:56 AM
Jun 2013

Never had a problem with it, the way I have with other things I won't mention by name.

rurallib

(64,684 posts)
57. former drinker - afraid if I drank again I'd never stop
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jun 2013

I quit @ 20 years ago, just stopped.
My family are big drinkers - parents both dead @60.
It was fun, but I realized what a horrible example I was for my kids and quit.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
58. I have a can of
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jun 2013

Asahi Beer that has been sitting in my fridge for nearly 5 months. I rarely drink, truth be told. Maybe I will have a Tsingtao once every two months. I do like Milky Sake and Plum wine ..but rarely have it, perhaps once or twice a year. When I was younger, I was probably terrible.. having gone to so many parties. I think I got that out of my system by now.

These days.. I have discovered MiO...


which you can put into Water or Seltzer water. I also love Tea... Oolong, Pu Erh, Green tea, and love to use my Coffee machine to make fresh brewed coffee.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
59. I'm a social drinker
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jun 2013

I can go months between drinks, but will drink at various occasions.

I hardly ever drink at home unless I'm with my SO and we get a bottle of wine.

Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
61. I'm a drunk drinker
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jun 2013

Actually, I'm slurping on Diet Coke right now, but I'm going to break out the beers later. I usually have beer one night a week and don't get too carried away.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
63. and then there is a Dry Drunk
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:15 PM - Edit history (1)

What is a dry drunk, and the ‘dry drunk syndrome’ as it is sometimes called? It can best be described as someone who fits one of two conditions.

The first is someone who has given up drinking and drugging and not made any internal or emotional changes, they stay the same but the substance is gone. Or in the second case what was once someone abstinent and on a progressive path of recovery has slowly returned to chaotic and unrealistic thinking.

Being active in your addiction sets up many trains of thought, attitudes, feelings, and actions that are problematic. Simply removing the alcohol or drugs without changing these underlying factors will produce a dry drunk syndrome. The dry drunk really refers to a condition and not the person. It is important to recognize a reversion back to our old ways of thinking and acting, or lack of progress in moving forward in recovery.

The dry drunk can be a precursor to the beginnings of relapse, the AA Big Book describes this condition as being “restless, irritable, and discontented”. This set of attitudes can apply to anyone who is chemically dependent, or even those were not. Here are some of the attitudes common with the dry drunk syndrome.

more at link:
http://addictionrecoverybasics.com/what-is-a-dry-drunk/

 

grok

(550 posts)
65. binge drinker/drunk?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

I definitely drink too much when i drink. Always in a safe environment. And I have beer and sealed liquor in the house which I never touch. It's for guests.

On the other hand, I do embarrass myself from time to time. Posted drunk the other day and had to self-delete.

Kali

(56,822 posts)
66. I can do both
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jun 2013

I have a tendency to overindulge in anything I enjoy. I have some addictive tendencies so I try to watch it.

In my old age I prefer to keep the drinking sociable and with people that can hold a conversation. But I know I am capable of overdoing it. I can drink most people under the table, but I get pretty obnoxious when I do it.

bluedigger

(17,433 posts)
69. Does taking a drink across the street to the dog park count?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jun 2013

Because I thought I was just conforming to New Orleans' French Quarter community standards...

 

N.I.B.

(56 posts)
70. None of the above
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

I only drink about three bottles worth of wine throughout the year. I use to be your average social drinker when I was younger like most people.


 

N.I.B.

(56 posts)
75. Thanks
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jun 2013

It looks like there's a variety of folks with a Democratic common thread. If so it should be both interesting and enjoying.

I hope so anyway.

Cheers

tavernier

(14,433 posts)
77. I have always followed a personal rule:
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

I never drink two days in a row.

It has kept me from being a daily drinker on the neighborhood cocktail circuit.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
78. On the edge?...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jun 2013

Not sure which I'd place myself in.

When I drink it's all for the wrong reasons. I binge drink hard liquor by myself cause I feel down. But then even when I was doing a lot of that it was only on the weekends when I didn't have school or work. So I didn't fit into either one of these I never had a drink in hand 99% of the time and never associated with other drinkers. But when I DID drink it was for all the alcoholics reasons and I got shit faced by myself alone, which is definitely not a drinker. I'm trying not to drink now, with some success.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
80. "I'm trying not to drink now, with some success."
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

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I've quit totally a few times in the past - once for over 6 months.

But I'm retired now, and both me and body like beer - don't have to drive anywhere on a daily basis.

Always needed a huge caloric intake to maintain my 150# -

so why not get a bit of a buzz while doing it?

tried weed, but then I get hungry, sleep and get nothing done.

So - - that's where I'm at!

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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
81. That's a unique position though. For others it's a real concern...
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jun 2013

You essentially can now risk being an alcoholic At least so long as you don't destroy yourself you're good to go. Being retired and living out in the beautiful wilderness you don't have a lot to worry about in terms of putting stress on others etc.. For those who still have to work or are dependant on, or have dependants, it's a different story. Here the label really matters.

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