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Actually I think I've made it but I still feel a tinge of guilt and reluctance about it.
There is an aggressive male feral cat on the property. He was here through the winter and didn't bother the others and seemed calm enough but he has become increasingly a bully since March.
I contacted the feral cat rescue group in my area, who has been slowly and surely helping me get the Ferals here spayed and neutered. The list is a long one because there is only one such group in our county and the Humane Society has made it clear they want to deal with cats as little as possible. They take relatively few and will tell you when you call they have their quota, and their mission is primarily dogs. So I still end up with kittens sometimes too.
The feral group got me an emergency appointment with one of the vets that is trying to help them out, and neutered the bully. We all hoped it would help with the aggression. They told me to wait two weeks for the hormones to settle and then if he was still brawling they would come and take him away.
Well last evening when I was feeding the one cat I can pet, I heard a pretty bad cat fight. just outside the milk house. I yelled and it stopped. When I got around the corner to see who was involved I saw one of the females clearly unruffled just looking around really curiously, and then slinking around the other corner comes the big bully looking quite satisfied with himself. I call him Uggo because of his nasty side.
While I didn't see the actual fight I suspect him of attacking one of the smaller males that sought shelter here last winter and keeps trying to move back in. I have seen the bully attack him twice before, with Uggo clearly the instigator, and it wasn't pretty. Though I managed to break it up, I felt sorry for the other cat I call Probie.
Also I saw Uggo drive off another male and the female that used to hang out with that male that were actually born here. He also tries to start fights with the two spayed females, and though I didn't see him do it, I suspect him of killing three kittens who were fathered by Probie. they matched his coloring. The spayed females won't even go in the barn anymore because they know Uggo hangs out in there. They choose the milk house with a leaky roof even when its pouring over being in the same place with Uggo.
The vet who neutered him told the Not For Profit lady who took him to the appointment that he could tell Uggo is a brawler because he had bites and claw marks all over him, some that were infected. He gave him an antibiotic.
I know for the other cats sake and for peace I need to contact the group and have them come and remove Uggo, but I know that will probably means curtains for him. It's just hard for me to not feel guilty that its an otherwise healthy cat that will end up probably being put down because really who else is going to want him and its like I am the one passing sentence. But its unfair to the other cats to have to live in terror of him all the time too and I don't see any other alternative. This sucks.
Thanks for letting me vent.
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)for the testosterone to leave their systems. It can take a couple of months, in my experience. Plus, their pituitary glands(I think)also continue to produce tiny amounts of testosterone, so that's why it takes a while. When we brought Tennessee in, it took about 6 months for him to calm down, and in the meantime there were still a couple of bad fights.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Its been three weeks now, so maybe I should give it a while longer, as long as he doesn't seriously harm any of the remaining cats. There are three kittens involved but they are clearly his, and he hasn't touched them so far.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Whoever told you two weeks was totally WRONG. It takes longer.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)Liberalann
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I agree with the poster who said it takes a couple months for the testosterone levels to drop significantly.
Give it a little longer. If it continues after a few months, than do what you need to do. You have no reason to feel guilty. You have a huge heart and are giving him far more chances at life than the vast majority would. If it comes down to it, his leaving will be peaceful and painfree, and he won't be able to inflict harm on anyone else again.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)I want to do what is best for them all including him.
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kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)Feral cats/outdoor housecats kill billions of small native animals, and birds, every year.
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Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)I wouldn't release the cat out into the wild either because there are coyotes and even some bear in the area that could kill the cat as well. Plus it is illegal to dump animals in our area though sadly people still do it. That's why there is a feral problem in the first place.
Someone dumped some of the ones in my barn here initially and others I suppose just wandered here, but I would not do it to someone else or leave the cat to fend for itself. I am just trying to do what is best for the kitties by getting them spayed, neutered and innoculated with the groups help, and giving them food and shelter. Even though Uggo is mean, I want to do what is best for him as well.
If it comes down to the point that Uggo will have to be removed from here because he is too much of a threat to the other cats, the group that is helping me would most likely make arrangements for him to be taken to one of the Humane Societies they have agreements with in other counties (there are two they work with.) That or they will find someone with no other cats who would feed and shelter him, with the understanding that he will be always be feral and not a pet. I don't hold out much hope for option number two however.
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hunter
(40,691 posts)The coyotes hear a late night cat fight and one or both of the fighting cats are eaten.
Please everyone, spay and neuter your cats and dogs. "Indoor cats" are preferable to "outdoor cats," if possible. It's a dangerous world for outdoor cats and they often hunt birds that ought to be left alone.
Just recently my kid rescued two dogs from a busy street, one a larger female in heat, the other a smaller un-neutered male of coyote-meal size. The dogs both jumped into the car so they were obviously pets, but they might have been road kill or coyote food. We took them to our local animal shelter which is very good, but they'll not release a dog or cat that's not been spayed or neutered. These dogs' breeding days were over whoever took them home, original owners or not.
We usually have three shelter dogs, the most our city allows without a special permit. My wife tends to favor the unadoptable dogs -- elderly dogs, and dogs with behavior or health problems.
Our current threesome is the most trouble we've ever had. That's saying a lot considering the Catahoula Leopard Dog we once adopted. She was scary intelligent, like a youtube border collie but with a fiercely independent streak. In dog school her teachers thought she was perfect. Well mannered and instant comprehension of any command. Why are you here? But she could open unlocked doors or yard gates and vanish for hours. She was the worst food thief I ever met. Blink and the dinner roast was gone and she'd be sitting there looking innocent. Twice she stole our kid's dental retainers and buried them in the back yard, about $350 each. We didn't find the stolen retainers until later. She'd play gently with our pet rats, rabbits, and birds, or neighborhood cats, but she'd also play with wild rats and wild rabbits in the garden. She did eat gophers, grasshoppers, and flies, so she wasn't entirely useless as vermin control.
We were very sad when she died.
Our current dogs are misfits too. One was used as a fashion accessory. She learned how to be an ordinary dog from the Catahoula, but it took a few years. One of our dogs was feral. She still has a lot of feral traits but my wife is master of feral dog's universe so full domestication is likely. Our most recent dog was kept chained in a back yard and neglected because his owners couldn't control him. Now he's a very happy creature because he gets to sleep on the sofa, and he loves all people but he's still got many bad habits. He can't walk past the vacuum cleaner without peeing on it and he's an escape artist like our Catahoula was but without the fierce loyalty. He'd be happy to sleep on anyone's sofa. One friendly human as good as any other.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Wow that is something that the Catahoula Leopard Dog stole your kid's retainers. That's funny too how your current dog pees on the vacuum cleaner. My dog doesn't pee on mine but she tries to attack it with her teeth.. She loathes the thing.
I agree with you that when it is possible cats should be indoors. Unfortunately the majority of the ones living in my barn aren't approachable. They watch from distant corners while I put the food down and won't approach the food until they are sure I am far enough away. There is one of the ones I have been able to get spayed, who seemed a bit more trusting and I was able to tame her pretty much but she doesn't like to be picked up, and there is no way the dog would tolerate her being inside and the dog was here first.
I also agree with the spaying and neutering aspect. Thank heavens the group that has been helping me has a low cost TNR policy. They are the only here willing to help. I just wish more vets would volunteer their services so more could get done. The lady who has been helping me told her the people asking for help has doubled this year, They had mine almost done but one of the females recently had three kittens, before they could get to her. Hopefully they can get to all of them soon, so there won't be any more kittens. It gets so overwhelming emotionally for me. I get attached whether I can pet them or not.
raccoon
(32,390 posts)You feel like you're making a choice that is somewhat the lesser of all the evils.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I live in a mobile home and he jumps from a tree onto my roof every day and chases the squirrels. I am getting fed up with that cat, but I can't catch him. If I ever did, he would be going straight to the local animal shelter.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Maybe reduce his access to your roof?
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)They maybe able to trap him and relocate him to an established feral colony.
http://www.alleycat.org/ These people might be able to help you locate a group in your area.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)The one fairly tame kitty was sleeping on the backsteps last night. She likes to sleep there in the good weather.
All of a sudden through the window I hear her make a pained noise and then I heard a growl. I looked out and she's under my car shaking and Uggo is on the steps sniffing under the door.
The lady said my next step is to get a spray bottle and add a vinegar and water mix and spray him everytime I see him agressively approaching the other cats with the intent to fight.
She said if this doesn't work we won't have any other choices but to relocate him to another willing caregiver or taking him to the Humane Society to be euthanized. She agrees it isn't fair to the other cats to just keep letting him attack and hurt them, while we wait for him to calm down, which there is no guarentee he will.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)the spayed tame kitty again. Made her cry out and chased her off the steps. She wasn't challenging him. She was just sleeping innocently in the sun. She's been spayed for over a year so its not a mating thing. He's just going after her because he's aggressive and territorial. I can't think of any other reason he would keep targeting her.
I've tried to be patient with him but I can't stand by and just watch him hurt the other cats or keep chasing them off and just hope he gets better in another month and doesn't mame or kill any of the others in the meantime. I especially can't stand the thought of him attacking Bumpkin again She's such a sweet, gentle, loving cat and I really love her and don't want her hurt or frightened away.
I jsut emailed the rescue group to come get him. It's way too upsetting to me hearing him hurt the other cats and he seems to be escalating.
I tried chasing him off as was suggested but I can't get close enough to spray him, he just takes off the minute he sees me and there are too many places for him to hide.
I'm sorry I am failing him and he will probably be euthanized but for the sake of the other cats and my sanity and nerves, I just don't see any other choice.
Thanks again for listening to me vent.
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)It does take longer than 2 weeks. I have a feral that I tamed over a 2 year period, he had been living in my barn for 6. Beat up, nasty ears, most likely the culprit who gave my other 2 cats FIV but very disruptive if one of my cats went down to the barn. Dangerous.
It has taken a good 6 months for him to settle. He is asleep against my leg right now, the other two on the couch as well. I can't say it is perfect nor can I say they do not fight but it is never the kind that worries me. It is a spat and then over.
I would certainly try the Super Soaker so that he does not have to go away and be euthanized. Good luck. We can each only do what we can with animals that have been left. It is a sucky world when people do this kind of thing. It always hurts, even when it works out.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)peace now. between him and your other cats.
I have been able to tame a few of the ferals that have lived in the barn over the years. Some have since either moved on or unfortunately been hit because traffic is really bad out here. It breaks my heart every time a cat gets hit, even when its not one from the colony I care for.
I wish people wouldn't just drop cats off just because they see a barn and other cats around it. It's not fair to the cat they are dropping off or the exsisting colony.
There have been agressive males that have come through before but none thats as mean as Uggo. I have never seen a male cat go after spayed females the way this one does. Its like he wants to drive them off, and with the other males it is the worrisome kind of figthts. The way he goes after Probie I am afraid he might kill him.
The only tame one right now is Bumpkin. I sit out with her on the steps every morning. She sleeps in my lap although she still struggles against being held. I would bring her in but my German Shepherd loathes cats and I had her(the dog) before someone dropped the first two cats here, nine years ago.
The female was pregnant and before I knew it I had a whole colony of cats, before I found the one not for profit group who was willing to help me get them spayed and neutered and even now litters are still born because they have a waiting list a mile long. There is no way I could afford it without them and I am so grateful for their help.
Hopefully they are going to be able to help me with Uggo in a way that is best for him and the others.
In the meantime I will try getting a super soaker. Thanks for taking care of kitties too.
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)Uggo must have been treated very unkindly over the years. Bela, the one I have in my house now, was certainly like that with my other cats although I don't think he actually looked for a fight. I know Bela was never even given a chance to be a part of a family, he comes from the neighbors across the way who never spay or neuter. Their cats mouse their barns and if they die they die. Many have ended up at my farm. It always breaks my heart but I have never had to look for a cat, I have but had I waited I could have filled out my little group from one of hers.
Lately the numbers of stray cats has begun to increase alarmingly. We have had animal control out several times to pick up dogs this summer. We already have more dogs and cats than we need (not that I would not try to house and care for many more but can't at the moment) but it always breaks my heart to have to turn them over not knowing the future that awaits them.
Your cats need to be protected and sometimes that threat comes from one of them. It is so sad but you are doing the right things. If the super soaker does not help until his testosterone levels drop you may just have to do it sooner rather than wait. If the super soaker helps he may become just pretty fine within the group. I would hope that happens but you have done everything right and everything you possibly can do. We simply can't save them all no matter how hard we try. There will always be one or two that are beyond our ability to help.
Your posts make me teary because I know how I would feel and I can feel that coming from you. Thank YOU for taking care of kitties too. Poor little things, some of them are in such rough shape. Good luck, I will be thinking of you.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I think might be the best humane thing to do with a rouge cat.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)so I could look for one of those. It might be away to protect the other cats from him in the meantime.
Thanks.