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Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:00 PM

How many times have you had surgery?

Was thinking of californiapeggy's surgery when I see that she's under the knife today. I had a knee replacement back in October, that was my 15th surgery. I knew I had a lot, but when the anaesthesiologist brought out my records, and said, "I think you know the drill" and I saw the thickness of my records, I did the count.

Nice anaesthesiologist, he did a spinal and for 5 weeks, my spinal stenosis and pinched nerve pain was relegated to a 2 on a the pain scale, down from my usual 8-9.

Honestly, except for the pain, I consider myself in good health.

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Reply How many times have you had surgery? (Original post)
mrmpa Feb 2012 OP
dana_b Feb 2012 #1
mrmpa Feb 2012 #5
siligut Feb 2012 #2
Swede Feb 2012 #3
Scuba Feb 2012 #4
REP Feb 2012 #6
Neoma Feb 2012 #15
REP Feb 2012 #21
Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #7
dana_b Feb 2012 #13
Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #18
WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2012 #8
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emilyg Feb 2012 #9
skygazer Feb 2012 #10
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NV Whino Feb 2012 #11
REP Feb 2012 #22
NV Whino Feb 2012 #24
REP Feb 2012 #26
NV Whino Feb 2012 #33
Pool Hall Ace Feb 2012 #43
REP Feb 2012 #45
Pool Hall Ace Feb 2012 #57
HopeHoops Feb 2012 #12
Graybeard Feb 2012 #14
geardaddy Feb 2012 #16
mrmpa Feb 2012 #19
geardaddy Feb 2012 #42
REP Feb 2012 #23
geardaddy Feb 2012 #41
REP Feb 2012 #46
geardaddy Feb 2012 #48
Odin2005 Feb 2012 #64
geardaddy Feb 2012 #67
Iggo Feb 2012 #17
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Old Troop Feb 2012 #31
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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:08 PM

1. 15 is a lot yet

I know that not all surgeries are equal. I've had 6 and am awaiting another one. I think the strangest part is waking up from anesthesia. It's so confusing (and cold)!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:18 PM

5. I agree it is confusing & always cold. eom

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:14 PM

2. Aside from dental implants and all that entails, one.

And it was on my wrist and I was conscious through it.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:17 PM

3. None. Knock on wood.

Never spent a night in the hospital. Hope this luck lasts and lasts.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:17 PM

4. One must distinguish between "minor" and "major" surgery....

 

.."minor" surgery is surgery someone else has.



An even half-dozen for me, all major of course.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:20 PM

6. Nothing major yet

Nerve reattachment right thumb
Exploratory laprascopy
Tubal fulguration
Endometrial ablation
Renal biopsy
Removal of struvite stone from lower pole of left kidney
Endometrial biopsy
LEEP procedure to remove cervix

Probably a couple others

Coming up:
Removal of part of AC joint, left shoulder
Repair tendons, left elbow
Repair tendons and cuff, left shoulder
Possible joint replacement, left elbow
Joint replacement, right shoulder
Tendon repair, right elbow

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Response to REP (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:27 PM

15. That title lies.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:20 PM

21. Most of those used existing openings and I went home the same day, so really, minor

Although the stone removal (cystoscopy/uretoscopy with YAG laser and basketing into lower pole left kidney with double-j stent placement) HURT LIKE FUCKING HELL!!! My husband said I was screaming once we got home, but I still maintain I was just groaning quietly. After I got stronger meds, we both agree I didn't talk or move much for 3 days - I wasn't stoned; it was just too painful!

But yeah. Compared to what most people have endured - minor. But you are very sweet! I love sympathy!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:37 PM

7. Does having a heart stent via catheter from the groin count?

If so, 1.
If not, 0.

I do remember being wide awake and in mid-sentence when the second dose of Versed was administered. Then.....recovery room.

I remember looking for a clock as soon as I woke up.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:06 PM

13. sure - they had to

put you out, so to speak, and it is very invasive.

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Response to dana_b (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:47 PM

18. Yeah, having a 90 something percent blockage in something called "the widowmaker"

I will say it put some fear into me.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:42 PM

8. I've had some cool ones and not so cool ones

Rhinoplasty to fix deviated septum (and yes, it included a 'refacing' of my old aquiline nose)
Bilateral breast reduction (my husband's least favorite )
Achilles tendon tear repair
Various D&Cs for heavy bleeding
and the one I like the least (because it's giving me a lot of post-op problems)... laparoscopic hysterectomy.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:08 PM

9. 6

 

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:26 PM

10. Too many

Hmmm... let me think....

I'm coming up with seven. Seems like more but I'm glad it's not. Never any fun.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:42 PM

11. 4

Tonsillectomy.
Tubal ligation
Tendon transfer
New hip this past December

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:22 PM

22. High five, fellow tubal ligation owner!

Sorry about the other stuff, but I see we both have a good one on our lists!

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Response to REP (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:39 PM

24. Had Mine early on

Stupid git of a doctor tried to tell me I really needed to experience pregnancy. I set him straight.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:49 PM

26. >>>>>>Awesome Alert!!!<<<<<<<<<

Extra Respek Knuckles for you, fellow Childfree person:



I had mine done sans pregnancy as well, but it took me until I was 35 to find a (kick-ass) surgeon to do it.

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Response to REP (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

33. Beat ya

Had mine done at 30.

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Response to REP (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:42 PM

43. <AOL> metoo! </AOL>

plus a laparoscopic cholecystectomy and a craniotomy!

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Response to Pool Hall Ace (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:35 PM

45. I've known you're awesome for a while now

You get extra Respek Knuckles for tubal ligation



And a Stop That! + Stay Well! for the other ones!

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Response to REP (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:57 PM

57. Nothin' makes you realize you are mortal like waking up in the ER

An outstanding neurosurgeon took care of me -- we are going to make sure that meningioma will not come back!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:00 PM

12. Once in 5th grade - outpatient.

 

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:11 PM

14. Only 3.

Tonsils out as a kid. (Does that count?)

Baker's cyst removed.

And recently a hip replacement.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:40 PM

16. 8 times

Hernia - age three
Wisdom teeth removal - age 17
Laparoscopic gallbladder removal - age 27
A-V fistula - age 27
Renal transplant - age 28
Long terrm central line installation - age 28
Right hip replacement - age 29
Left hip replacement - age 29

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:49 PM

19. Too young for all that...eom

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:05 PM

42. Yeah, thanks.

I wish I hadn't had kidney disease, but am glad I was able to have a transplant that allowed me to live a relatively normal life.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:24 PM

23. Your list makes me sad and happy

Sad you needed them (well wisdom teeth not so much ) but very happy you got them, especially the tx.

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Response to REP (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

41. Thanks.

It'll be 19 years this coming April that I've had the kidney.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:38 PM

46. It's almost old enough to drink!

It breaks my heart we're the same age and your Welsh is soooooo much better .... Stay healthy and well! We need all the Welsh speakers hale and talking!

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Response to REP (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:29 PM

48. Mi fydd dy Gymraeg yn well hefyd!

Ymarfa!

Well, the kidney's actually nearly 81!

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:15 PM

64. YIKES, what happened to your kidneys and hip joints?

Late 20s???

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:31 AM

67. I had an autoimmune thingy cause the kidney disease.

and then because of the high dose of steroids to combat rejection, I got the side effet of deteriorating hip joints. The good thing is I'm doing pretty good 19 years later.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:55 PM

20. 4

wisdom teeth
fibroid tumor removed
2 C-sections

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:45 PM

25. Once, I guess. Tonsillectomy. Oh wait...no...circumcision before that.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:03 PM

27. motorcycle accident and

this...



then further surgeries to remove the external fixator and put in a internal rod...




then... bone marrow transplant and then surgery to cut out chunk of fibula to help the tibia heal...

I love my leg! scar and all


oh, yes... and the ritual tubal ligation

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:04 PM

28. One: tonsillectomy when I was 7 years old.

I'm so old, they actually knocked me out with ether! And I want to go to my grave with that being my only surgery ever. Working hard to achieve that goal.

Unfortunately, I also had two other health goals I didn't make it to: Other than the useless tonsil procedure, I never wanted to spend a night in a hospital. But 10 years ago I broke my leg on my bike, and they kept me in the ER till the next morning. My other broken promise is that I swore I would never take antibiotics. But I got walking pneumonia in 98, so no choice there either.

But let that be the END of it! Want to avoid drugs and being cut open as long as I possibly can!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:15 PM

29. Four, I guess.

Circumcision and tonsils - age I don't remember

Wisdom teeth - age 22

ACL reconstruction - age 40

(I really only count the ACL, which sucked.)

Thinking of you, CalPeggy!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:23 PM

30. 5

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:39 PM

31. I'd have to look in my med records -- I know it exceeds 10 and may be as many as

15.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:44 PM

32. I had surgery on a lazy eye when I was 3 or 4. Wisdom teeth. That's it I think.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:38 PM

34. None, so far. n/t

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:58 PM

35. Four, if you count wisdom tooth extraction

Hernia repair as a kid, thumb reimplant/skin graft and vasectomy.

Enough for a lifetime IMO.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:04 PM

36. Three

C section, appendix, gall bladder....

Appendix was the worst because it burst, my abdominal cavity was full of appendix pieces and the toxins that come with it for hours..went home with an open surgical wound and had to be off work for like 6 weeks. The whole process was started because I was misdiagnosed as having a stomach flu and sent home when I went to the ER for non stop nausea/vomiting. Then 24 hours later it burst...another trip to the ER (via ambulance), 6 hour wait for a hospital bed and FINALLY, surgery.

The other two were a piece of cake compared to the appy nightmare.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:05 PM

37. Just tonsils and a couple of teeth pulled.

Fortunately that's it... and I hope it stays that way!

Best vibes to our dear Peggy!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:14 PM

38. Not once

I have all my original parts. They may not be in pristine shape, but they are all in working order.

And I hope California Peggy has a full and quick recovery.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:32 AM

39. Not as many as you have!

Tonsillectomy as a kid, tubal ligation, rebuilt left rotator cuff, medial meniscus left knee, hysterectomy, medial meniscus right knee, cleaned up right rotator cuff.

Now I'm waiting to hear back from the surgeon who will be doing bi-lateral knee replacements, most likely this year.

I recently met a woman who has had 14 surgeries in the last five years and is going in for major heart surgery this year. Six of her surgeries were knee replacements - three bi-lateral. The first two times, the prosthetics were defective. She did say she had gotten a really good amount in a class action suit, but I don't know if it would be worth it!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:51 AM

40. 4

I had 2 surgeries on my left ankle when I was 17 & 18... Broke my ankle and had to have pins and plates in, then the surgery to remove them

D&C @ 28 to remove polyps

Gall bladder out I think at 29 or 30

The D&C was the worst because I had a severe reaction to something in the anesthesia cocktail.

Ugh.. I hate surgery.. I hate that feeling of helplessness.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:23 PM

44. Twice - to lengthen my Achilles tendons.

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Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:30 PM

49. 2 in 64 years

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:24 PM

50. The first time was the scariest, as far as getting put to sleep and not knowing if you'll wake up

Every time I've been put under, it seems like only seconds from the time I go under to when I'm waking up in recovery even if it's hours later.

I've had my ankle operated on twice and two colonoscopies.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:05 PM

51. Too many to count. Broken bones, lacerations, torn ligaments...

And it's all from skiing accidents. I swear, just skiiing accidents. I was no where near that vigilante incident!!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:03 AM

52. Since a lot of replies have listed, I'll list mine here..

Bunionectomy
repair of plantar fascititis
medial menisectomy
arthroscopic of the knee
knee replacement
3 laparoscpies for endmetriosis
hysterectomy
broken hip repair
removal of broken hip repair plate-included cadaver bone transplant
repair of broken elbow
breast fibroadenoma removed
cataract removal
removal of stone from tear duct

That's it until I'm ready for an elbow replacement, for the elbow that was broken and I don't have full use of.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:56 AM

53. Zero

But there may be possible brain surgery in the future.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:20 PM

54. Too F***ing many

Knees, 2 (1 each)
Sinuses, 2
Left ear (major), 3
Heart, 3
Minor stuff, forgotten.

Probably more down the road, but I'm in no hurry.

My wife has tumors on what's left of her thyroid, and gets them (and it) taken out in a few weeks.
She hasn't had a recurrence of her cancer since 2001, and we're hoping this isn't one.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:23 PM

55. Knock on wood nothing but things they called "surgery" but it was ridiculous

to all it that - local anesthesia things. Mole removal should not be called surgery, but they did it.

Wisdom teeth extraction was my biggest.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:40 PM

56. Two

Adenoidectomy/Myringotomy
Appendectomy

These are the only procedures done under general anesthetic. Nothing else for almost 40 years. *knock on wood*


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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:24 AM

58. I've had two cataract surgeries this year.

And now I don't need to wear glasses. A difficult adjustment because I'd worn them for 40 years.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:45 AM

59. 19

17 orthopedic surgeries & 2 cesarean sections.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:48 AM

60. Just cataract surgery in both eyes

No pain and your vision is excellent right away.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:01 PM

61. I lost count at ten. I had five in one week. 12hrs. in, 12 hrs. out of the OR.

For open pelvis fractures and broken left leg and all the torn up parts inside.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 05:56 PM

62. 12

--exploratory surgery age 10
--Ileostomy (translation: bag O' shit you wear permanently. They did not tell me the surgery I would inevitably need would involve anything so disgusting. I woke up to a biiiiiiiig surprise.) = Removal of most of large intestine age 19 (emergency. Finally. Ulcerative Colitis started age 7, increasingly debilitating until basically an invalid age 17-19)
--Completion of removal of intestine and conversion to Koch pouch (construction of internal reservoir) age 23

others more minor, including assorted deep abscesses, lumbar disc ruptures, rotator cuff tear- right shoulder (WOW! Shoulder surgery recovery HURTS!! Yowza!), gall bladder laparoscopy, D&C's for fibroids

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:09 PM

63. Once. Had my impacted wisdom teeth removed.

Being put under was a strange experience. One moment I had just been rolled into the OR and was joking with the anesthesiologist, the next moment I was waking up in the recovery room with my mom asking "Are you up"?

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:55 PM

65. Does circumcision count?

I'm told that it traumatized more than anything else in the whole entire world ever.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:58 PM

66. Only three, I think. Tonsils (twice!) and gall bladder years ago.

I'm actually pretty much kicking ass.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:34 AM

68. I had 3 minor surgeries this past December

for kidney stones.

But, before that, I had two surgeries to get wisdom teeth removed, and then two as a child - one to get tubes put in my ears to help them drain, and then one other one to remove my adenoids.

So, 7 times in total, but all fairly minor.

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