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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:03 AM

John Corabi recorded ONE album with Motley Crue...name your LEAST FAVORITE lead vocalist replacement

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Reply John Corabi recorded ONE album with Motley Crue...name your LEAST FAVORITE lead vocalist replacement (Original post)
Miles Archer Jul 2014 OP
jmowreader Jul 2014 #1
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #16
shenmue Jul 2014 #2
LeftOfSelf-Centered Jul 2014 #3
lame54 Jul 2014 #5
Callmecrazy Jul 2014 #7
lame54 Jul 2014 #9
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #17
lame54 Jul 2014 #31
Iggo Jul 2014 #32
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #40
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #51
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #13
fishwax Jul 2014 #14
Throd Jul 2014 #15
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #18
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #45
LeftOfSelf-Centered Jul 2014 #39
flvegan Jul 2014 #21
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #25
LeftOfSelf-Centered Jul 2014 #38
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #46
Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #34
SwankyXomb Jul 2014 #35
Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #36
LeftOfSelf-Centered Jul 2014 #37
Tom Ripley Jul 2014 #4
LynneSin Jul 2014 #6
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #19
Iggo Jul 2014 #8
OriginalGeek Jul 2014 #11
GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #29
Iggo Jul 2014 #30
Throd Jul 2014 #10
OriginalGeek Jul 2014 #12
Populist_Prole Jul 2014 #49
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20
Arcanetrance Jul 2014 #22
Iggo Jul 2014 #33
Arcanetrance Jul 2014 #23
nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #24
Arcanetrance Jul 2014 #27
Iggo Jul 2014 #41
Arcanetrance Jul 2014 #42
valerief Jul 2014 #26
KurtNYC Jul 2014 #28
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #47
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #43
Miles Archer Jul 2014 #48
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #50
Initech Jul 2014 #44

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 04:26 AM

1. Anyone who sang in Queen after Freddie Mercury died

Second place: Sammy Hagar for David Lee Roth.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:37 PM

16. The first one I wholeheartedly agree with. I mean, *Paul Rodgers*? WTF?

The second one was pretty bad but I wouldn't call it "worst."

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:30 AM

2. Blaze Bayley

Made a couple of Iron Maiden records while Bruce Dickinson was off doing solo stuff. I still can't make it all the way through the Bayley records.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:50 AM

3. Sammy Hagar replacing David Lee Roth

immediately came to mind. I just couldn't listen to VH after the change, something about Sammy's voice just grates on me.

Incidentally I thought replacing Vince Neil with John Corabi was quite an upgrade. When Neil tries to sing high he sometimes comes off sounding like an angry chipmunk (see the high bits in the verses of "Shout At The Devil".

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Response to LeftOfSelf-Centered (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:39 AM

5. OU821 is a great album

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Response to lame54 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:40 AM

7. I thought it was OU812?

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Response to Callmecrazy (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:19 AM

9. That's a good album 2...

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Response to lame54 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:38 PM

17. To me the Van Hagar albums range from "meh" ('F.U.C.K.') to pretty good ('5150').

Not a stitch on what they did with DLR, but not the worst band ever either.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:15 AM

31. Definitely a different direction for them...

but that can be healthy for a band

DLR Halen did have more rockin' party songs but they are also responsible for Jump

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Response to lame54 (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:29 AM

32. Jump came from EVH's hardon for the keyboards.

"Eddie plays keyboards!"

Should read, "Eddie sucks at keyboards!"

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Response to Iggo (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:57 PM

40. Exactly. Not Dave's fault in the slightest.

Like others on the thread, I'm more inclined to blame Eddie than Sammy for their later direction.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:58 PM

51. I've read articles describing how Dave railed on Eddie for that

"You're a GUITAR hero, NO ONE wants to hear you play synths"...

Eddie pretty much bottomed out with the keyboards on THIS song (featuring HIS vocals):

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Response to LeftOfSelf-Centered (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:57 PM

13. Part of the problem with Van Hagar...

...was that Sammy showed up at a time where Eddie's fascination with keyboards and ballads had grown to such proportions that the hard rock songs often seemed like they were throwing the fans a bone. Out of ALL of teh Van Hagar albums, I like about ONE album's worth of material.

I thought Montrose KILLED, I think Chickenfoot is a GREAT band, and I like about 25% of Sammy's solo output. He just had WAY too much crap in the post-Montrose days..."Cruisin & Boozin," "It's The Pits," just really weak stuff. And I don't blame him for Van Hagar, I blame Eddie, because Eddie and Alex have ALWAYS called the shots, no matter WHO was holding the microphone.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:05 PM

14. good point about the timing

*nods head*

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:06 PM

15. Van Hagar simply didn't rock in a way that appealed to young males.

Trust me, I was there. It was limp and we all disdained it. In it's prime, Van Halen totally kicked ass. Then they split with Diamond Dave and recorded albums that the accounting department would listen to on the way to Starbuck's for their 10am frappaccino fix.

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Response to Throd (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:40 PM

18. Imagine them doing "Everybody Wants Some!" with Sammy. Unfathomable, right? n/t

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Response to Throd (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:43 PM

45. I worked in a warehouse when the first Van Halen album came out...

...and my department was made up exclusively of young rock & roll loving males who were enjoying the fact that disco was taking its last gasp.

We had several crappy transistor radios propped up around the department. We split our time between the San Jose rock stations KOME and KSJO. I very clearly remember "Eruption / You Really Got Me" coming out of those speakers.

And you're right, Van Hagar wasn't that band, and we responded accordingly. I didn't want to hear some half-baked crap about some kinda alien pulling the string when love comes walking in. I wanted to hear about Dave reaching down between his legs and easing the seat back.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:59 PM

39. I was a Roth fan first.

I was too young when Roth was actually in Van Halen, so I was late to the party. Actually, I was a fan of Roth's first; I liked his solo stuff with Steve Vai, so I then decided to check out what else he had done and subsequently became a Roth-era Van Halen fan. But I never even felt compelled to check out what VH were like after Roth, it's like the band ended for me after "1984".

Then my guitar teacher lent me his copy of VH's "Live Without a Net" Video and my main impressions were: (1) They (obviously) hardly played any of the (Roth-era) songs that I knew and loved, (2) I didn't like any of the new songs, (3) I really couldn't stand Hagar's voice.

Re. Chickenfoot: I'd be curious to hear how Satriani adapts to a band context, but I can't bring myself to having to hear Sammy sing... But I'm happy to see that Michael Anthony landed on his feet, he get screwed over bad by VH.

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Response to LeftOfSelf-Centered (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:31 PM

21. You went to Van Halen and Hagar over Van Halen and Cherone?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:15 AM

25. Excellent point. I forgot that one - probably would've been my pick otherwise.

'VHIII' could've been a halfway decent record, potentially - at least not any worse than the last two so-so Hagar albums - but Gary C.'s voice renders it nearly unlistenable. To this day I've never sat through the whole thing.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:34 PM

38. Since I didn't like Hagar...

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I had written off Van Halen already, so the fact that they brought in Cherone barely even registered with me.

Gary Cherone was the third best singer in Extreme (and the weakest link in the band by far), so hearing him with Van Halen wasn't exactly high on my priorities list!

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Response to flvegan (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:46 PM

46. Cherone was the "Bobby Ewing isn't dead, he's in the shower and it was all a dream" VH frontman

I mean, what the hell...after he left the band they put out a "best of" album called "Best of BOTH Worlds?" Three singers? BOTH worlds?





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Response to LeftOfSelf-Centered (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:38 AM

34. But it was Roth who gave us "Jump".

And dear lord is that an obnoxious synth-rock mess of a song.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:59 AM

35. The problem with "Jump"

is that it's an up-tempo synth-rock song with pseudo-Morrissey lyrics. I've always preferred the Aztec Camera cover

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:05 PM

36. You're right.

That is a lot better.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 02:19 PM

37. "Jump" doesn't bother me.

It's badly overplayed, but, other than that, to me it's inoffensive. And 1984 also has "Panama" and one of my favourite VH songs, "Drop Dead Legs" on it.

Also, you can't lay the blame for "Jump" at Roth's feet considering he didn't write the music. Removing Roth would only have changed the lyrics, not the general sound of the song (see also "Why Can't This Be Love", "Dreams",...) Eddie wanted to play keyboards, it was Roth who was reluctant to go along with it.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:20 AM

4. Noel Burke replacing Ian McCulloch in Echo and the Bunnymen

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:58 AM

6. Lead singers are tough to replace because so many times that Singer defines the band

Sure Jimmy Page could put an album out using Plant-Wannabe David Coverdale but in the end Coverdale never had that charisma that Robert Plant brought to the stage.

And I know for some of these aging bands hoping to make a few more dollars out of their name, the show must go on. So if the lead singer isn't available or can't tour then what better way to solve the issue than to do a Judas Priest - find a lead singer from a tribuate band that does your music and have them replace the lead singer. Sure it was good when Yes needed a fill-in for Jon Anderson after Anderson had life threatening illness. But what sucked was that Anderson recovered, his voice was amazing as ever but Yes stuck with the tribute band singer.

So to be honest I have no viable answer for this question. Other members can be replaced for the better but the lead singer will always be tough shoes to fill.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:45 PM

19. Ripper Owens is actually my pick for worst replacement. I don't know how he wound up in a tribute

band to begin with because he never sounded anything at all like Halford.

Coverdale? OMFG he's the real-life David St. Hubbins! Seriously!

And what Yes did to Anderson was historically fucked up. So cruel to turn their backs on him after 40+ years.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:13 AM

8. Definitely Sammy Hagar for DLR.

Tim "Ripper" Owens for Rob Halford wasn't my favorite, either, but at least Timmy killed it live.

Hiring Sammy Hagar ruined Van Halen AND Sammy Hagar.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:58 PM

11. Totally agree

I liked Hagar solo. Hated Van Hagar.
Never listened to more than half of a Ripper/JP song.
Not even that much of a Blayze Baily Iron Maiden song.


But, to me, the most egregious frontman replacement error is whatever that shit is now touring as the Dead Kennedys. It should be against the law to call them DK without Jello. And I don't mean civil lawsuity law - I mean charge them with a felony. Hell, at LEAST disturbing the peace!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:53 AM

29. Eddie asked Patty Smyth to replace Dave...

But she turned him down. Can you imagine what could have been? VH fronted by a real singer?

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Response to GOLGO 13 (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:05 AM

30. I remember that. They also had that guy from Extreme for a minute.

And to be fair, Sammy is a real singer (see Montrose), just not for Van Halen.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:21 AM

10. Bruce Dickinson

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Response to Throd (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:59 PM

12. Paul Di'Anno agress with you.



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Response to Throd (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:44 PM

49. Whaaaaaaaaaat!!!!????



Really though this is a case of apples vs oranges. D'Anno era Iron Maiden seemed to have a more raw, almost punk-ish sound. And I loved it and still do. I couldn't picture or imagine Bruce doing vocals in 'Killers' or the orginal debut album.

Dickenson era Iron Maiden sounds more NWOBHM. His voice and range were/are the perfect match.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:47 PM

20. Owens for Halford (Judas Priest). Horrible voice, horrible material - just *unlistenable*. n/t

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:02 AM

22. I think if they took and recorded under a different name juggulator could have been forgiven

But the ripper albums seemed to have no soul or identity

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Response to Arcanetrance (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:33 AM

33. Judas Priest is my favorite band, and I can't name one song from the Ripper era.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:06 AM

23. Whoever is replacing Barlow in iced earth now

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Response to Arcanetrance (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:56 AM

24. Haven't heard a note of the "new improved" Iced Earth. And frankly I don't want to.

If I want to hear IE I'll just go back to 'Burnt Offerings' or 'Something Wicked.'

P.S. Haven't seen you around in a while. Glad you're back.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:54 AM

27. Thanks been busy with moving and setting up my new life

Haven't had as much time as I'd like to be online

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Response to Arcanetrance (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:58 PM

41. Wasn't Ripper with Iced Earth for a cup of coffee?

Between Barlow stints?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:41 PM

42. Yeah he did two albums of very inconsistent songs

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:44 AM

26. Didn't Slim Whitman sing with Motley Crue at one point?

#t=37

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:46 AM

28. Yoko Ono replacing Paul, George and Ringo

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:48 PM

47. DUzy



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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:02 PM

43. Shaun Murphy fronting Little Feat (nm)

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:50 PM

48. That REALLY didn't work out for me.

Craig Fuller, I think, was an attempt to stick as close to Little Feat as possible without bringing in an iconic / eccentric front man...you do NOT "replace" Lowell.

Shaun, as Fulller's replacement, NEVER felt right. As each new CD came out I scoured through the tracks to cherry-pick songs where she DIDN'T handle the lead vocals.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:10 PM

50. I saw Feat at the old Sunrise Musical Theater circa 2003

Basically, we all waited for her to be done singing the "new stuff" and let the rest of the band do the songs we wanted to hear.

She's got a great voice, and has done some stellar side work. She's just wrong as lead for Little Feat.

Re: Fuller. They had some decent hits with Fuller, but I basically agree - he was designed to keep the vessel between the navigational markers. - nothing more.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sat Jul 5, 2014, 03:12 AM

44. Dave Navarro replacing John Frusciante

Although how do you top an album as iconic as Blood Sugar Sex Magik?

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