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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 04:37 PM Sep 2014

The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/the-evil-reign-of-the-red-delicious/379892/

Burford, who is 79 years old, is disinclined to apple destruction. His ancestors scattered apple seeds in the Blue Ridge foothills as far back as 1713, and he grew up with more than 100 types of trees in his backyard orchard. He is the author of Apples of North America, an encyclopedia of heirloom varieties, and travels the country lecturing on horticulture and nursery design. But his preservationist tendencies stop short of the Red Delicious and what he calls the “ramming down the throats of American consumers this disgusting, red, beautiful fruit.”

His words contain the paradox of the Red Delicious: alluring yet undesirable, the most produced and arguably the least popular apple in the United States. It lurks in desolation. Bumped around the bottom of lunch bags as schoolchildren rummage for chips or shrink-wrapped Rice Krispies treats. Waiting by the last bruised banana in a roadside gas station, the only produce for miles. Left untouched on hospital trays, forlorn in the fruit bowl at hotel breakfast buffets, bereft in nests of gift-basket raffia.

For at least 70 years, the Red Delicious has dominated apple production in the United States. But since the turn of the 21st century, as the market has filled with competitors—the Gala, the Fuji, the Honeycrisp—its lead has been narrowing. Annual output has plunged. And even still, a gap is growing between supply and demand from American consumers. Earlier this month, Todd Fryhover, the president of the Washington Apple Commission—whose growers produce the majority of apples in the United States—recommended that this harvest, up to two-thirds of the state’s Red Delicious yield be exported.

How did such an unlikeable apple become the most ubiquitous in the country? And as its dominion here ends, where will it invade next?


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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2014 OP
Gimme a Fuji or even a granny smith ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #1
We don't buy Red Delicious Apples because other apples taste better. In_The_Wind Sep 2014 #2
The apple tree that wouldn't die... antiquie Sep 2014 #3
For the first two decades of my life that's what I thought apples were, period caraher Sep 2014 #4
red delicious = bad taste and texture. give me a mac, a macoun or a honeycrisp magical thyme Sep 2014 #5
My favorites too. redwitch Sep 2014 #41
For a long time that was about all you could find in grocery stores The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #6
Glad to hear they're on their way out. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #7
You nailed it there: mealy. n/t DebJ Sep 2014 #17
We have a tree in the back yard and the red delicious are delicious off the tree rurallib Sep 2014 #8
I absolutely adore apples. Put them in salads, sammies, slice them up and share them at work and mackerel Sep 2014 #9
I thought I was the only one - I hate the Red Delicious - also the Golden Delicious - LiberalElite Sep 2014 #10
Something changed pipi_k Sep 2014 #11
Personally I prefer MacIntosh. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2014 #12
NYS Apples, Peaches, blueberries and strawberries rule! hedgehog Sep 2014 #19
Bingo. Another fan of the MacIntosh Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #27
I love Macs too. geardaddy Sep 2014 #29
Love the Cortlands as well. DinahMoeHum Sep 2014 #32
Cortland's - yum MizzM Oct 2014 #47
I used to like them, but lost my taste for Red Delicious. kwassa Sep 2014 #13
i love pink ladies fizzgig Sep 2014 #25
I used to like Red Delicious, too, but they aren't any good anymore Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2014 #14
Why are they so waxy? Ron Obvious Sep 2014 #15
Could they be coated in wax? KamaAina Sep 2014 #16
"Nasty, cowardly, waxy things that taste like candles.' love_katz Sep 2014 #38
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #18
They are too often mealy. I never, ever buy them. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #20
So I have heard. KamaAina Sep 2014 #21
Sometimes you can get them on sale. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #22
Honeycrisps are my new favorite TK421 Sep 2014 #24
No but that's a good idea! Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #26
it almost reminded me of a dessert, give it a try TK421 Sep 2014 #34
Since they were developed here at the U of Minnesota geardaddy Sep 2014 #30
They have no flavor and I never liked them TK421 Sep 2014 #23
Flavor's OK, but the thick leathery skin is gross Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #28
You will note that there is no computer called the Red Delicious KamaAina Sep 2014 #31
True enough.......... Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #36
I have never understood this, I love the Red Delicious dr.strangelove Sep 2014 #33
They LOOK like apples, but they do not taste like apples. logosoco Sep 2014 #35
I love Jonathans, but they've become hard to find. usually end up with Braeburns, kath Sep 2014 #37
Aaarrrggghhh!!!! RiffRandell Sep 2014 #39
Honeycrisp, Pink Lady, Fuji, and Mac in the Fall... demmiblue Sep 2014 #40
Apples in season Piedras Sep 2014 #42
I see a Bear Flag KamaAina Sep 2014 #43
See Canyon apple orchards near Avila Beach, CA Piedras Oct 2014 #45
Not to worry. A coworker's boyfriend has at least one apple tree. KamaAina Oct 2014 #46
another person who dislikes the Red Delicious blehhh. My favorite is the Jazz! apple yellowdogintexas Sep 2014 #44
 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
3. The apple tree that wouldn't die...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014
Fresh Red Delicious Apples

The Red Delicious apple variety was discovered in 1875 as a chance seedling growing on Jesse Hiatt’s farm in Peru, Iowa. Thinking it was a nuisance, Hiatt tried to chop down the seedling, but the tree grew back repeatedly. On the third time, Hiatt allowed it to grow and produce apples.

In 1893, Hiatt took his apple, called Hawkeye, to a fruit show in Missouri.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
4. For the first two decades of my life that's what I thought apples were, period
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:01 PM
Sep 2014

"Awful reign" is right. Those things are at the bottom of my apple list, yet I grew up eating them and thinking they were OK.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,673 posts)
6. For a long time that was about all you could find in grocery stores
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:43 PM
Sep 2014

except for tart pie apples like Haralsons. I never liked apples much as a kid, until I got a chance to eat something besides the Red Delicious. I now have a Honeycrisp tree and a Honeygold tree in my yard. Since I don't use pesticides the apples tend to get bug-eaten if I don't bag them, and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to bag more than a few of them this year - but I look forward to eating the good ones. Haralsons make the best pies, though.

Red "Delicious" - blehh.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
7. Glad to hear they're on their way out.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
Sep 2014

I was never a fan of Red Delicious. They're tasteless and usually mealy. Yuk. I'm more a fan of Golden Delicious and its hybrids, like Johnagold and Gingergold. The only problem with them is that they're nearly always picked before they're ripe. So, they're almost as tasteless as their Red counterpart. I've been noticing this problem with a lot of the "popular" varieties, like Gala, too. Wish they'd leave them on the tree for another week or two.

That article makes me miss being in the Midwest. No apple orchards around here. So, no truly fresh apples, and no fresh, non-pasteurized cider. Of course, the orchard I used to go to as a kid is now a housing subdivision...

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
8. We have a tree in the back yard and the red delicious are delicious off the tree
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:12 PM
Sep 2014

the ones we get in the store taste like cardboard.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
9. I absolutely adore apples. Put them in salads, sammies, slice them up and share them at work and
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sep 2014

sometimes I'll just have cheese & apple slices for din din. Red Delicious is not my go to apple. I'm sure it was a lovely
apple years ago before it became over produced and all the life was taking out of it.

Variety is key. Braeburns, Honeycrips, Pink ladies, Gala, Cameo's and Granny Smith seemed to be what they stock here. My Father loved Pippins but I don't see them around these days.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
10. I thought I was the only one - I hate the Red Delicious - also the Golden Delicious -
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:39 PM
Sep 2014

calling them "delicious" is like a bad joke. Yes, export it!

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
11. Something changed
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

Since I was a kid. Every fall my parents would take us kids out for a drive along the Mohawk Trail to see the leaves and buy a big basket full of red delicious apples. They were great

Now they're grainy and tasteless


Yech


Eagerly awaiting the yearly appearance of the apple guy and his wife who sell their home grown apples in a rest area on a busy road into the city.

Winesaps and Macouns

Mmmmmmmm.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
12. Personally I prefer MacIntosh. . .
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 10:07 PM
Sep 2014

. . .the best for eating out-of-hand.

NY State apples rule!!

The more local your apples, the better

AFAIC, the Red Delicious was bred for "carrying quality" at the expense of taste.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. NYS Apples, Peaches, blueberries and strawberries rule!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:02 PM
Sep 2014

We live in an old fruit belt along the shores of Lake Ontario, and I tell you, we live on local fruit from mid-June to Halloween!

The only problem is that with Global Climate Change, it may soon b too warm here to grow Empires!

But I'm sure the good folks at Cornell are working on the next best thing!

MizzM

(77 posts)
47. Cortland's - yum
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:40 PM
Oct 2014

Lived my whole life in the Boston area. Loved Mac's, Cortland's, and an occasional Grannie Smith in off season. Moved out to AZ a few years ago - where are my Mac's and Cortland's? Nowhere to be seen. I seem to have lost interest in the "alien" apples out here.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
13. I used to like them, but lost my taste for Red Delicious.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

I grew up in northern Ohio eating local McIntosh apples, which my dad would buy by the bushel. I can't stand them anymore. Red Delicious was my first other variety. I got tired of them, too.

Mostly Gala, Fuji, and Pink Lady.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
14. I used to like Red Delicious, too, but they aren't any good anymore
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:22 PM
Sep 2014

I prefer Granny Smiths and Honeycrisp. In fact, I just bought my first Honeycrisps of the season.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
15. Why are they so waxy?
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:29 PM
Sep 2014

These are the apples I associate with High School cafeterias, motel continental breakfast trays, hospitals, and vending machines. Nasty, cowardly, waxy things that taste like candles.

I suspect they're bred for longevity, and durability in shipping, not flavour.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
38. "Nasty, cowardly, waxy things that taste like candles.'
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:50 PM
Sep 2014


Uh huh, that is exactly it. Yuk!

I usually buy Braeburns, Fuji's, or Granny Smiths.

Unlike some folks, I don't like Gala's either. Their taste is too flat for me. I like some tartness to my apples, and they should be both crisp and juicy.

Mis-named Red Delicious Fail.

TK421

(15,205 posts)
24. Honeycrisps are my new favorite
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:38 AM
Sep 2014

I found out they taste even better when they're cold

Ever try them cold?

TK421

(15,205 posts)
34. it almost reminded me of a dessert, give it a try
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:52 PM
Sep 2014

You can thank me later, I'm the patient type











Kinda

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
30. Since they were developed here at the U of Minnesota
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:55 PM
Sep 2014

they're easily available and relatively cheap. They are indeed a good apple.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
28. Flavor's OK, but the thick leathery skin is gross
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:31 PM
Sep 2014

And if I need a knife to have to eat an apple, then the hell with it.

Advantage: MacIntosh.

dr.strangelove

(4,851 posts)
33. I have never understood this, I love the Red Delicious
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

Granted I love all apples. Living in the brilliant apple growing climate that is the Hudson Valley of NY, we have red delicious and fuji trees on our land. But I love all of them. But the Red Delicious gets a bad rap. Its not a explosive a flavour as the Braeburn or the Granny Smith, but it has a very simple and pleasant taste. I enjoy them and have for years. My children love them too. I just don;t get it.

kath

(10,565 posts)
37. I love Jonathans, but they've become hard to find. usually end up with Braeburns,
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:16 AM
Sep 2014

Honeycrisps are absolutely delicious, but pricy. love when they go on sale.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
39. Aaarrrggghhh!!!!
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:31 PM
Sep 2014

Guess what my kids' favorite apple is? The nasty RD.

Growing up in NE, we had a farm 5 minutes up the road to pick our apples.

I'm a Mac and Granny Smith girl except for that first tart bite of the GS that makes me close my eyes, pucker my lips and cheeks and HURTS like hell!

Believe it or not, they will eat a GS now and then, but love RD.

Don't get it, but at least they are eating a fruit.

Piedras

(247 posts)
42. Apples in season
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:59 PM
Sep 2014

I just checked a favorite local apple orchard. Here is what they have in season now.

Jonalicious

Red Delicious

Red Gold

Golden Delicious

Chieftain

Spitzenberg

We have VERY limited quantities of these varieties

Mohawk

Gala

Jonagold

Piedras

(247 posts)
45. See Canyon apple orchards near Avila Beach, CA
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:36 PM
Oct 2014

Sorry I haven't logged in for awhile. See Canyon near Avila Beach in San Luis Obispo County, CA has several very nice apple orchards with farm stands.
gopherglen is one favorite apple orchard.

Now Open for the Season

Hours of operation:

Monday-Saturday 9am-6pm

Sunday’s 10am-6pm

Gopher Glen 2014 Apple Season

Now Available ( 9/29/2014)

Jonalicious

Golden Delicious

Chieftain

Red Yorking

Pippin

Braeburn

We have VERY limited quantities of these varieties

Mohawk

Nittany

We try to keep updated our list daily but often run out of varieties before we have have a chance to make changes to our website. Please call ahead to check availability!

Soon to come

Sweet Sixteen

Splendor

Winesap Stayman


Daytrips on the Central Coast: Creekside Farm Apples in See Canyon
See Canyon Apples are such exceptional apples because of the unique climate: a super growing area – 2 miles from Pacific – where sandy loam soil produces the highest quality apples. The warm, mild summer days build up sugar and flavors, and the cool nights help to retain flavor. Creekside’s apples are truly “the most wonderfully flavored apples."


 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
46. Not to worry. A coworker's boyfriend has at least one apple tree.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:37 PM
Oct 2014

In Hayward (Alameda County). I have one stashed away in my desk for tomorrow.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
44. another person who dislikes the Red Delicious blehhh. My favorite is the Jazz! apple
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:05 AM
Sep 2014

I absolutely love these apples. I think it is a cross of Gala and Braeburn and they tast almost effervescent in your mouth. Crisp, kinda tart kinda sweet. Just excellent..and cheaper than Honeycrisps.

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