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Gah. Fiendish probability question (Original Post) Recursion Dec 2014 OP
A fish. baldguy Dec 2014 #1
33% Ptah Dec 2014 #2
42 denbot Dec 2014 #3
My hovercraft is full of eels. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #4
Undecidable drm604 Dec 2014 #5
You're freakin' me out... cyberswede Dec 2014 #6
Exactly! drm604 Dec 2014 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalElite Dec 2014 #8
Kittens. femmocrat Dec 2014 #9
It's constructed like that to create a paradox. drm604 Dec 2014 #10
I was being "sarcastic". femmocrat Dec 2014 #11

drm604

(16,230 posts)
5. Undecidable
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:30 AM
Dec 2014

The self-referential nature of the problem combined with the given answers makes the answer a moving target.

If I say %25 then since both A and D say 25% there's a 50% chance that a random choice would pick that, but that means that %50 is the correct answer and there's only a 25% chance of picking that. But if there's a 25% chance then there's a 50% chance...

I could get out of that by saying that there's no correct answer but that means a 0% chance that I would get the right answer and C says 0% so there's a 25% chance that I'll pick that...

drm604

(16,230 posts)
7. Exactly!
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:48 AM
Dec 2014

That Star Trek episode is another example of a self-referential paradox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-referential_paradoxes

The problem posed by the OP is a paradox. You can't say that it has an answer and you can't say that it doesn't have an answer. It's a meaningless question, just like "I am lying" is meaningless. (Of course, that robot is very poorly programmed if it can't handle nonsensical statements without going into a loop and overheating. )

Response to Recursion (Original post)

drm604

(16,230 posts)
10. It's constructed like that to create a paradox.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 11:06 AM
Dec 2014

See my post #5.

I highly doubt that it's in common core unless it's a demonstration regarding logic and undecidability, which is probably more a college level thing.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
11. I was being "sarcastic".
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 11:11 AM
Dec 2014
There have been posts on DU criticizing the difficulty of the "new" math in Common Core. But thanks for trying to explain it.
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