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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:21 PM Apr 2015

$1,179,951.08 and I'm still kickin'! Thanks, Obama!



$1,179,951.08 = My medical expenses for 2014, all but $6,350 of that covered by ObamaCare!

That's one ambulance, one very nice helicopter ride, the head of neurosurgery at Stanford, to treat an aneurism.

Plus two additional surgeries, PICC lines, plastic surgery team added on third surgery, several salmon dinners with quinoa and sorbet (hospital menu rocks) and more.

Now this didn't come easily, I had to file 14 claims against Anthem Blue Cross to hold them accountable and I am still fighting.

I changed to Blue Shield for this year.

Good to be here, DU, and we are fucking blessed to have Obama, dammit!



I'm a Million Dollar Man! Thanks Obama!

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$1,179,951.08 and I'm still kickin'! Thanks, Obama! (Original Post) NYC_SKP Apr 2015 OP
My dear NYC_SKP! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #1
That's right, Peggy! There's work to be done! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #3
I always knew you were special ... In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #2
That's just one year! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #5
It's all good. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #9
Takes a lickin' and keeps on skippin'! Phentex Apr 2015 #4
"Keep on Skippin'" I like that! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #6
So glad to hear you are rock'n and rolling. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #7
Good point. I'm here to help if anyone has trouble. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8
Good deal, Skippy. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #10
((SKP)) blm Apr 2015 #11
What could be more important... yallerdawg Apr 2015 #12
You are priceless. riqster Apr 2015 #13
Good post, thanks. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #14
But, but . . . SheilaT Apr 2015 #15
So glad you're on the mend, NYC_SKP MissDeeds Apr 2015 #16
I am so happy for you . However my sister has a large tumor in her throat with no insurance because classykaren Apr 2015 #17
I can't find this. dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #20
Thank you here it is classykaren Apr 2015 #66
I agree about Obama, glad you're getting better steve2470 Apr 2015 #18
I am SO HAPPY that you are still with us! Raine1967 Apr 2015 #19
p.s. that photo dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #21
I just love high maintenance men! leftofcool Apr 2015 #22
Wow! I wish you a much better year in 2015. Vinca Apr 2015 #23
GREAT news! And YES you're worth it! calimary Apr 2015 #24
bless your heart, NYC_SKP. Get well now. :D roguevalley Apr 2015 #25
Putting your experience another way ... DrBulldog Apr 2015 #26
But,....I heard he ruined the best heathcare system in the world! Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #27
$1.18 million would be a down payment on Mets season tickets... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #28
Not this year. Fearless Apr 2015 #29
You're talking the whole team ... Right? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #52
:) BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #30
Hi, beautiful! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #31
hellllooooooo BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #32
I looked like Osama! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #35
perish the thought! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #37
I would KICK his ass, except that Obama beat me to it! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #38
LOLOLOLOLOL! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #53
You are a living testimonial, SKP. femmocrat Apr 2015 #33
Totally agree with fammocrat! Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2015 #50
Glad to hear this. William769 Apr 2015 #34
Hey you! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #36
I am glad you are doing well... Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #39
Thanks! For CoveredCalifornia, Blue Cross and Blue Shield are separately managed. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #40
I have also benefited chapdrum Apr 2015 #41
Happy for your care; sorry you still have to fight for it, AND . . . MrModerate Apr 2015 #42
It all adds up and, yes, it's crazy expensive. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #43
You ain't a cheap date. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #44
I don't suppose there's much chance... 3catwoman3 Apr 2015 #45
I'm glad it was there for you... herding cats Apr 2015 #46
Glad to see you. applegrove Apr 2015 #47
Wow! I'm so glad you're still here and still kickin'! Have you dropped a line to POTUS to tell him? Hekate Apr 2015 #48
kick samsingh Apr 2015 #49
Great! Thespian2 Apr 2015 #51
K&R a thousand times for surviving an aneurism. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #54
You Rock! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #55
I don't know.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #56
Makes me happy too SKP. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #57
Frankenstein hibbing Apr 2015 #58
No bolts but I asked about a USB port. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #59
I wish the ACA had been in place when I had my medical catastrophe nightscanner59 Apr 2015 #60
Thank you for sharing your story. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #61
Land ambulance for a head injury??? Time is brain! That's a solid axiom of care anywhere. nightscanner59 Apr 2015 #74
And it was a doctor who wrote the opinion, here it is verbatim: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #75
Wow, just wow, but once again, no surprise. nightscanner59 Apr 2015 #77
Would love to hear some stories some time. :-) NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #78
I'm glad you survived, and doubly glad that you don't PatrickforO Apr 2015 #62
and Lee Majors thought -he- was special ... but, he got nothin' on You !! Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #63
And, you're worth every penny of it NYC_SKP! Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #64
Ugh. So sorry you needed all that. Being that you did need it, so glad you got it and so glad merrily Apr 2015 #65
Glad You Are Still With Us! cynzke Apr 2015 #67
Speedy recovery to you Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #68
Thank you. This would have spelled financial ruin for me. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69
Thank goodness you can focus on your healing and recovery Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #70
if fed gov. keeps playing Big Pharma Monopoly, ACA/Medicaid/care will be broke wordpix Apr 2015 #71
Election Finance Reform would help. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #73
"grossly overpaid" - yes, paying $21K for $1500 worth of chemo drugs wordpix Apr 2015 #79
K&R Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #72
Yea, you!! We're so grateful babylonsister Apr 2015 #76
I get a stomach ache thinking about what would have happened to me without Obamacare. Kali Apr 2015 #80

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,619 posts)
1. My dear NYC_SKP!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:24 PM
Apr 2015

Yes, we are damned lucky to have Obama...............and YOU!

Keep fighting!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. That's just one year!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:36 PM
Apr 2015

This year is gonna have some costs, too.

And then I'm gonna let someone else have the fun!

Phentex

(16,709 posts)
4. Takes a lickin' and keeps on skippin'!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:35 PM
Apr 2015

What? I'm not the poet around here.

Welcome back!!!!!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,160 posts)
7. So glad to hear you are rock'n and rolling.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:39 PM
Apr 2015

Pls. hold on to the lessons you learned about making insurance do what they should do.
You just know that some folks here are gonna need that info at some point.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. Good point. I'm here to help if anyone has trouble.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:47 PM
Apr 2015

It's unbelievable how much work I have to do, still doing it, to get them to talk to billing at Stanford.

I'm the customer, for fuck sake. Why am I having to do their work???

OTOH, Blue Shield has been awesome!

So, I hope I can help others find the resources to fight back if they are challenged.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
12. What could be more important...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:57 PM
Apr 2015

than taking care of each other?

I'm glad my fraction of a penny is helping you.

I know you've done the same for me and mine.

Thank you.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. But, but . . .
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

How many jobs were killed in the process?

Just kidding, of course. So glad you've gotten the medical care you need.

classykaren

(769 posts)
17. I am so happy for you . However my sister has a large tumor in her throat with no insurance because
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:48 PM
Apr 2015

she lives in South Carolina. She is also raising 2 grandchildren she still doesn't qualify. The hospital said they would do her surgery for 6,000 up front. I hate South Carolina for this she can't even get on the Federal exchange. Her girlfriend has this on the site go fund me. It is under Judy's Medical Fund.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
20. I can't find this.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:11 PM
Apr 2015

I looked at several that google turned up, but they were not the right ones. Link?

steve2470

(37,481 posts)
18. I agree about Obama, glad you're getting better
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:53 PM
Apr 2015

That's some hefty expenses. That hospital meal sounds really good, especially for a hospital.

Raine1967

(11,676 posts)
19. I am SO HAPPY that you are still with us!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:54 PM
Apr 2015

A great outcome for you and for the ACA.

Still it sucks that the insurance companies are trying their damnedest to get around it.

Either way: NYC_Skip: :HUG:

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
23. Wow! I wish you a much better year in 2015.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

I thought I had a good experience with Obamacare and my hip replacement, but you've got me beat. Congrats on surviving and not having to file medical bankruptcy.

calimary

(90,020 posts)
24. GREAT news! And YES you're worth it!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:36 PM
Apr 2015

We all are, and it's thanks to President Obama. How I LOVE saying those two words. PRESIDENT Obama.

Glad you're getting the care you need, and that the financial worry is lifted. NOBODY should have to deal with that when they're just trying to fight to stay alive!

Mighty glad you're still here. We need you!

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
26. Putting your experience another way ...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:42 PM
Apr 2015

... necessary medical treatment for our health should always be a priceless right for all, not a pricey privilege for the few.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
35. I looked like Osama!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

Bandages are gone, stitches come out next week!

I love modern medicine!

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
33. You are a living testimonial, SKP.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:39 PM
Apr 2015

The White House should hear about this!

TG for all the democrats who fought so hard for us.

Keep on kickin', SKP.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
50. Totally agree with fammocrat!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:01 PM
Apr 2015

NYC SKP, you could be in commercials for the 2016 campaign. Once you're presentable, of course.

What you have been through is unbelievably inspiring. I'm so happy Obamacare made it possible for your life to be enjoyed, not just endured. And know you're getting stronger every day.

William769

(59,147 posts)
34. Glad to hear this.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:41 PM
Apr 2015

I have egg on my face because I did not know you were going through this.

Hope you are recovering well.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
36. Hey you!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:46 PM
Apr 2015

Hey man, don't dare feel bad about anything.

Right now I'm hoping you're improving and I just am happy that I can say to you and everyone else here:

I love you, I really do, and I think we're all blessed to have each other.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
39. I am glad you are doing well...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:18 PM
Apr 2015

but as far as BCBS goes, you may want to shop around more. Pretty much everyone I know who has has BCBS has horror stories about it. I had it for years but switched the day Obamacare was available. Of course that is in Michigan, maybe NY is different.


Wishing you and yours all the best. Keep on kicking!


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
40. Thanks! For CoveredCalifornia, Blue Cross and Blue Shield are separately managed.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:24 PM
Apr 2015

Anthem runs Blue Cross and they totally sucked and continue to suck. They denied my $27,500 LifeFlight, lost checks, are making me and Stanford crazy.

Blue Shield, however, is managed differently and they are super impressive, so far, and I just had surgery last week (this ain't over).

ACA in my state and my case only offered four plans, I think: BC, BS, Kaiser, and one other that didn't have Stanford in network

So far, so good with Blue Shield. YMMV

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
41. I have also benefited
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:25 PM
Apr 2015

from ACA, so credit where due. But this is the same man that is shoving the TPP down our throats.
So odd.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
42. Happy for your care; sorry you still have to fight for it, AND . . .
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:00 PM
Apr 2015

That cost is batshit insane for the services you've described. It should be half of that -- no, more like a fifth, if other developed countries are our guide.

This is why we need single payer, and why "nonprofit" hospitals shouldn't be making so much profit -- for their executives.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
43. It all adds up and, yes, it's crazy expensive.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

I'm lucky that I've had so much behind the scenes exposure to it and am a bit more forgiving than I was looking at healthcare through my parents' care toward the end of life.

We really do have the best health care technologies and staffers, but the actual health care system is a hot mess.

Of course, much of the cost to us, to insurance companies, is for profit, and much of it is to cover losses.

But some of it is legitimately expensive. The facilities are really expensive to build and maintain and operate. The equipment inside is super costly.

Every surgeon or health care provider you see is supported by perhaps a dozen support staff.

I'm with you, single payer, take out the profit, pay as you can and provide Silver or better level service to all.

I still think $6,350 max out of pocket every year is steep, and that's on top of an equal or greater sum to pay the premiums.

$13,500 cash, gone, per year... Kind of high but beats the hell out of dying or medical bankruptcy.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
44. You ain't a cheap date.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:15 PM
Apr 2015

Managing those bills, statements, denials etc. must be a full time job. Here I am, getting agro over a couple hundred bucks left over from a supposedly pre authorized and pre paid dental procedure(s).

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
45. I don't suppose there's much chance...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:23 PM
Apr 2015

...of us seeing you being interviewed by Fox "News"?

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
48. Wow! I'm so glad you're still here and still kickin'! Have you dropped a line to POTUS to tell him?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:58 PM
Apr 2015

I'm serious. He takes so much crap day after day after day, that I have a feeling a personal letter like this would just make his day.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
56. I don't know....
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:32 PM
Apr 2015

...I think that picture of Obama speaks to me about a kind and caring and intelligent man.

I thank the man for ACA and so much more. I had insurance before at over twice the cost for the same exact plan.

But other people had none, or couldn't get coverage AT ALL for preexisting conditions.

I'd have had care before ACA but that I had what others could get who couldn't have it before makes me really happy!

sheshe2

(97,625 posts)
57. Makes me happy too SKP.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
Apr 2015
For all that you have been through and you have come out smiling and cracking jokes through it all.

hibbing

(10,597 posts)
58. Frankenstein
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:47 PM
Apr 2015

Glad things are progressing well. The medical costs are crazy. I have to get a tooth pulled by a oral surgeon and even with insurance I can't imagine what that will cost me. The brain stuff is amazing, good that the technology is available.


You don't have any bolts in the side of your head do you?


Peace

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
59. No bolts but I asked about a USB port.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:54 PM
Apr 2015

And they giggled.

And I asked if I get a mug or cap with my fourth surgery and they gave me a very nice embroidered quilt W Stanford Hospital logo!



nightscanner59

(802 posts)
60. I wish the ACA had been in place when I had my medical catastrophe
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:00 AM
Apr 2015

It's taken me just over 5 years to pay off what Blue Cross kicked me off their plan and offered me a ridiculous 4000 a month premium to continue coverage. I was hurt in a brutal mugging December 17, 2009. No one.... absolutely no one would insure me and help me cover a number of surgeries I had to have to recover from disfiguring facial injuries after they used a dirty loophole to kick me off their plan WHILE I WAS HOSPITALIZED!!!!
I won't take any plan offered by Blue DoubleCross since.
But I finally got insurance the very day the ACA outlawed exempting pre-existing conditions.
Thank You Presidient Obama, and Phuck you republicans that would have just let me live the rest of my life with facial disfigurement.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
61. Thank you for sharing your story.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:06 AM
Apr 2015

Before the exchanges were in place in January 2014, ACA was covering people who previously could not get coverage.

I have a friend with a serious hand injury and MRSA and lots of pain, I helper her in 2010 navigate the system, apply and then get refused and turn that refusal into a plan at $350/month so that she could get basic care.

Your case sounds very severe and, yes, I hate Blue Cross. I only went to them out of convenience at the time as they were my company under COBRA from a job I left.

They refused a $27,500 LifeFlight saying "you say you fell and hit your head... You could have taken a land ambulance".

I had to fight them on that and 13 other claims, and they wouldn't have given in, I'll bet, except that ACA has a mechanism for taking a grievance to the next level, and there's a level after that.

But it takes diligence!

Take care!

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
74. Land ambulance for a head injury??? Time is brain! That's a solid axiom of care anywhere.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

Wow that is insanely ignorant on their part, but not surprising me at all after my boodoggle with them. Stanford docs are an amazing bunch, I worked with several of their students at the VAPAHCS. I learned more from them than many of the docs I've ever worked with who consider their knowledge "proprietary".

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
75. And it was a doctor who wrote the opinion, here it is verbatim:
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

LOL...

Our medical reviewer, Kanan Paramesh, MD., has determined we cannot approve your request for moving you in a helicopter or airplane (air ambulance transport) Your request tells us you fell and hit your head. We do not see that your life was in danger. We do not see that the time needed for transport on the ground would have placed you at risk. We do not see that you were taken to the closest hospital that was able to give you the care you needed. We do not see why moving you by ambulance could not have been done. For these reasons we believe that air ambulance transport was not medically necessary.


Well, they continued to deny it and after the head of Stanford neurosurgery, the head of ER at the dispatching hospital AND the LifeFlight manager all wrote letters, they relented.

Most people, and a doctor at Stanford told me this, do not have the skills or patience or capacity to fight them on matters like this.

And they COUNT on that, there's actually a term in the industry for the practice or for unchallenged denials.

grrrrr.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
77. Wow, just wow, but once again, no surprise.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

I've worked at horribly unscrupulous healthcare organizations before in my time as a contractor. I don't dare post details some of the unbelievably unethical actions I've seen some take on the part of saving some hospitals a buck, I'd never get another job. The irony exists that these sort of care denial edicts come straight from the office of an extraordinarily overpaid stuffed suit.
I wlll, however exonerate a few by name! I would go back to working for the Sisters of Mercy (now Dignity Health) in full faith of their mission. They really believe in caring for patients. Christus is a good group too. As for many others.... things that make ya go... hmmm.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
78. Would love to hear some stories some time. :-)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:37 PM
Apr 2015

It's amazing, even aside from the corruption, that I have to do so much coordination between them and the payees.

FFS, I'm the patient, I'm the client.

Imagine if I had to do all the negotiating between Allstate and all the autobody repair people and vendors, that's what this is like.



No doubt that their job in that stuffed suit is to find ways to DENY claims...

Imagine that. Interesting, people I talked to at Stanford and elsewhere, forbidden from making recommendations one way or another, seemed to manage to express great disdain for Anthem Blue Cross.

Conversely, they like Blue Shield and it's one of the few companies that have Stanford facilities and physicians all in-network.

One more thing: Stanford has been fighting with Anthem all along and their facilities were in network but not the physicians.

When I checked in they said I had no insurance-- this was because Anthem entered my birthdate differently from my entry with Covered Cal- completely their fault.

As a result, I was nearly going to be looking at tons of expenses as out of network-- this is why I filed the 14 grievances, saying that but for their error, I might have had a chance to be served exclusively in-network. They gave in and treated all of it as in-network.

PatrickforO

(15,425 posts)
62. I'm glad you survived, and doubly glad that you don't
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:18 AM
Apr 2015

have to lose everything you own and go bankrupt. As much as I want single payer, the ACA is working for millions of Americans.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
63. and Lee Majors thought -he- was special ... but, he got nothin' on You !!
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 01:20 AM
Apr 2015


14 claims .... ??

now, my head hurts just thinking about all -that- paper work

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
64. And, you're worth every penny of it NYC_SKP!
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:47 AM
Apr 2015

Welcome back!

Blessed is the US to have this man at the helm.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. Ugh. So sorry you needed all that. Being that you did need it, so glad you got it and so glad
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:19 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2015, 05:18 AM - Edit history (1)

most of it was covered by health insurance.

More good wishes for your speedy recovery.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
67. Glad You Are Still With Us!
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:58 AM
Apr 2015

This is an excellent example of how you can rack up such a large medical bill from one medical emergency. The large deductibles the anti-obamacare people complain about are a drop in the bucket. Prior to ACA, having a small deductible was meaningless. Just as soon you got seriously ill, the insurance companies roll out their favorite weapon......."pre-existing condition". And you still have to fight with them today to pay!

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
68. Speedy recovery to you
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:03 AM
Apr 2015

Glad this worked out for you. I have a friend who is carrying around a huge medical bill (+$150,000.00) from a double heart attack in 2010, at age 43. He was an independent small business worker with no health insurance - he couldn't afford it. Basically, that heart attack means he will never own his own home.

He has insurance now, thanks to President Obama.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
69. Thank you. This would have spelled financial ruin for me.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:06 AM
Apr 2015

Bankruptcy and sale of assets, all on top of how hard it is to hold down a job and maintain income during three surgeries, four if you count last week.

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
70. Thank goodness you can focus on your healing and recovery
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:22 AM
Apr 2015

rather than a looming bankruptcy.

I keep trying to convince my friend to declare bankruptcy and get out from under that ridiculous medical bill - he thinks he should pay his debts - even unfair ones that no civilized country would impose on its citizens. He has been paying $350 per month to the hospital for 5 years now - that could be his half of a house payment with his long-term girlfriend.

Sorry to lay all of that on you while you're just getting your strength back! These kind of stories just bring up all these bad memories for me - my best friend almost died. That whole experience in 2010 was so shocking for me. I'm still affected by it - I'm so angry!

The old system - pre Obama-Care, it ruined people's lives. These kinds of threads are important to show people that the government does good things to help Americans.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
71. if fed gov. keeps playing Big Pharma Monopoly, ACA/Medicaid/care will be broke
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:37 AM
Apr 2015

very shortly. I'm a million $ woman, too. Big surgery, small surgeries and "procedures," chemo, many scans, more blood tests than I can count. Big ticket items were for use of surgical rooms/hospital charges, hosp. stay and drugs. The docs, not so much. Thank you, Pres. Obama! BUT...

The "allowed charge" on my chemo bills averaged approx. $23K per round (I had 12 rounds). I was given chemo that's been around for decades, nothing unusual, cutting edge or new there. The chemo was an IV drip that started in doc's office and then went home with me (in a bag attached to IV line) for two days with a pump. The drug cost "allowed charge" was about $21K per round out of the $23K. I did a google search and in 1/2 hr. found my same chemo actually cost about $1500 for the drugs and $3600 for drugs + admin. per round, according to NIH. Big difference from $23,000.

A question is: why do insurance cos. "allow" charges of $21K for $1500 worth of drugs? Are they getting kickbacks from the drug cos. after payment? (This is the only thing that makes sense).

I tried to find out what the fed gov. is paying per round as I was informed it is not the full $23K. I could not get the figure, not even from my state's top social services doc. (Social services administers the ACA). Another expert said I would have to ask for the contract between the state and insurance cos. to learn what the state pays for each round.

I am really worried that if the feds continue to buy drugs from the Big Pharma Monopoly, ACA, Medicaid and Medicare will all go broke due to the drug costs. This is something that could be readily fixed and I hope if you see your Congressman/woman/senator, you will demand they stop letting Pharma get away with this ANTI-MARKET monopoly.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
73. Election Finance Reform would help.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

No doubt that pharma is grossly overpaid, but a lot of the overhead can be justified in context, but not all of it.

Beyond the cost of the drug is the cost to maintain liability insurance, the PICC line servicing subcontractor, profit, overhead for support staff and facilities and, to no small measure:

Covering for the cost of people without insurance or who don't pay at all.

But to the extent that it is grossly overcharging, look to the political contributions Merck and Lilly and the entire medical industry et al are making and to whom, and then look at the votes on any reform legislation.

Of course now, thanks to Citizens United, well, you know the drill.

Thanks for the post.

Hope you're doing well!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
79. "grossly overpaid" - yes, paying $21K for $1500 worth of chemo drugs
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

is just that. Glad you're still with us, NYC!

Kali

(56,829 posts)
80. I get a stomach ache thinking about what would have happened to me without Obamacare.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:54 PM
Apr 2015

Glad you are doing well, keep up the good healing!

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