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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:19 AM Jun 2015

Kerouac, you fucker, you were RIGHT.

TWO things made the ass-busting effort it took for me to finish my degree at San Jose State at night while working a full time job worth it. First one was a class called "The Transcendentalists," which exposed me to the work of Emerson, Thoreau, and Whitman. Second was reading "On The Road," specifically the passage below, which ultimately became my mission statement for life:



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Kerouac, you fucker, you were RIGHT. (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2015 OP
Of the three... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #1
I got the most from Emerson. Miles Archer Jun 2015 #5
Whitman's easy. Chan790 Jun 2015 #7
Have you read Bukowski? CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #2
Bukowski has always been on the "books I need to read next" list... Miles Archer Jun 2015 #6
I can really identify with your OP CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #11
Yes, crazy people are fascinating. betsuni Jun 2015 #3
I have read every book Kerouac wrote panader0 Jun 2015 #4
Gotta be careful not to burn out haha ellisonz Jun 2015 #8
I would have never connected Whitman with Emerson and Thoreau. KamaAina Jun 2015 #9
This was the single greatest class of my entire college years Miles Archer Jun 2015 #10

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
1. Of the three...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:42 AM
Jun 2015

Emerson, Thoreau, and Whitman, that is, can you suggest anything to start with?

Karouac, you have to love...

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
5. I got the most from Emerson.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jun 2015

I've read a number of volumes of his work but still consider the Signet Classic "Selected Writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson" the be the best. In order to get the best out of his overall body of work, you have to read not only the major essays like "Self Reliance" but also the letters and journal entries, which you'll find here.

Amazon has the paperback for $8, the KIndle version for $3:

http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Writings-Emerson-Signet-Classics/dp/0451531868/

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
7. Whitman's easy.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

He only wrote one collection of poetry, Leaves of Grass, and just continually revised it every few years until his death...just adding more poems and revising old ones. What started as a 128-page collection of poems weighs-in in the final revision (depending on publisher and edition...it's in the public domain) at around 400 pages. There are several "selected poems" anthologies or publications of "Song of Myself" as a standalone...but both are excerpts out of the longer work.

Other than that, the entirety of his publication CV consists a diary of correspondence and prose written during and after the Civil War called Specimen Days & Collect. It's also about 400 pages.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
2. Have you read Bukowski?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:27 AM
Jun 2015

Your Kerouac quote made me think of his famous poem:

“...unless it comes out of
your soul like a rocket,
unless being still would
drive you to madness or
suicide or murder,
don't do it.
unless the sun inside you is
burning your gut,
don't do it.

when it is truly time,
and if you have been chosen,
it will do it by
itself and it will keep on doing it
until you die or it dies in you.

there is no other way.

and there never was.”


I'm actually reading him now (Ham on Rye) and it's kind of blowing my mind. There's a similar nihilistic vein to Kerouac and so raw, with flashes of brilliant writing. From Ham on Rye:

“And my own affairs were as bad, as dismal, as the day I had been born. The only difference was that now I could drink now and then, though never often enough. Drink was the only thing that kept a man from feeling forever stunned and useless. Everything else just kept picking and picking, hacking away. And nothing was interesting, nothing. The people were restrictive and careful, all alike. And I've got to live with these fuckers for the rest of my life, I thought. God, they all had assholes and sexual organs and their mouths and their armpits. They shit and they chattered and they were dull as horse dung. The girls looked good from a distance, the sun shining through their dresses, their hair. But get up close and listen to their minds running out of their mouths, you felt like digging in under a hill and hiding out with a tommy-gun. I would certainly never be able to be happy, to get married, I could never have children. Hell, I couldn't even get a job as a dishwasher.”


...

“If you’re going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don’t even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you’ll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you’re going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It’s the only good fight there is.”


Anyway, just thought he might do it for you too, since you like Kerouac.


Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
6. Bukowski has always been on the "books I need to read next" list...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

...but yes, the excerpts you've posted hit dead-center with what I have going on right now...especially that last paragraph. Holy cow, I could have written that to myself. Thanks. I had already planned to be at the library today and will see which of his books are available.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
11. I can really identify with your OP
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jun 2015

When you find the right author or artist at the right time in your life, it can change you forever.

Or maybe they find you. It's strange how things happen.

betsuni

(25,441 posts)
3. Yes, crazy people are fascinating.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:30 AM
Jun 2015

Writers need them because writers have to take the time to think and digest and plan and fix and make art. The mad ones are living art and it's all in the moment, there is no past or future.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
4. I have read every book Kerouac wrote
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jun 2015

starting with 'On the Road' about 1970.
I recommend 'Kerouac- A Biography' by Ann Charters.
I like all the Beats.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
8. Gotta be careful not to burn out haha
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

I started with Kerouac in high school, built my collection and then lost it all in a move.

I rec picking up a copy of Some of the Dhama once you've made it through his novels. I also enjoy his poetry immensely.

Soon I will build my library again!

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
10. This was the single greatest class of my entire college years
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jun 2015

The professor wasn't a stoner, but if you remember the demeanor of Donald Sutherland in Animal House, that was this guy. Very laid back, slow and relaxed in his manner of speaking, knew the material like the back of his hand and made the process of learning it a true joy.

Reading Emerson was a revelation for me. These were thoughts I'd been feeling inside for many years, but seeing them on the printed page changed my life.

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