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Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:57 PM Nov 2015

What is your favorite backwater* city?

*And to be clear, I don't mean "backwater" to be a pejorative in terms of meaning low-class or uncultured. Rather, I'm referring to a city that has all the usual markings of a city--a busy downtown, a commercial airport, a bus system, a couple of colleges or universities, etc.--but is otherwise set apart from other cities or heavily populated areas. In other words, something like an urban island of sorts, off the beaten path.

It can be either a US city or international, your choice.

I've had something of an odd fascination with Norfolk/Hampton Roads. It is by all indications a major metropolitan area, and yet it's not frequently thought of as such when compared to other East Coast cities. On the one hand, it's a large port and a military hub. It has one of the most impressive collection of bridge and tunnel systems in the country. And it's got your typical expected downtown office towers and other urban markings. But on the other hand, it doesn't have any major league sports teams. It's served by a single interstate system (I-64). It does have two commercial airports (Norfolk International and Newport News), but neither of them are particularly large. There are a couple of colleges and universities, but only Old Dominion and Norfolk State are remotely notable. And it's well off the I-95 corridor. Whereas Richmond (for example) is connected to that long stretch of urban metropolis that goes all the way up to Boston, Norfolk/Hampton Roads is sort of off to the side.

Maybe why I'm so interested in it is because I grew not too far away. And while we were in Baltimore just about every weekend, and DC was the nation's capital and a frequent field trip spot, and we'd occasionally go down to Richmond for road trips, I think I only made it to Norfolk once or twice growing up. It was the one major city within a few hours drive that I rarely experienced. So there's a certain sense of personal mystique to it (even though I'm sure people who might live there might tell me there's nothing really special about it. Still......)

I'm also curious about Manaus, Brazil, which is a large city in the middle of the Amazon Rainforest. It hosted one of the rounds of the World Cup. It's fascinating that such a large city can be found surrounded almost completely by dense wilderness.


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A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
1. Surfers Paradise, Queensland.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:06 PM
Nov 2015

Got down there 4 times in the 90's for the Gold Coast Indy Car Race.

The beachfront looks like any other major beach resort town in the world with the high rises and all right on the beach, but the Aussie flair makes it VERY cool.

Looking south

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
10. I once stayed at the Castle Motel
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:56 AM
Nov 2015

Just a few miles from Duluth and less than a football field away from the lake.

And even in July, that water was cold

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. Lakeview Castle. I bused tables there one summer.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:23 AM
Nov 2015

My house was just past there (1/4 mile) and about the same distance from the Lake. We used to swim in the Lake, depending on the weather. With a gentle onshore wind, the warmer surface water would pile up next to the shore. Surface temp maybe into the 60s but 5 feet down it's in the 40s.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
4. Two from NY state: big, Syracuse; small, Ithaca...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

...Syracuse has a cool downtown, nice people, a great university, and countryside just a few miles away. It also has high rates of unemployment and poverty... ...but a neat place, on the whole. Ithaca also has a great university, a stunning location among cloud-capped mountains, a zillion gorges and waterfalls, Lake Cayuga thrusting right into the city, and one of the loveliest downtowns in America. Love 'em both...

MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
5. I enjoyed my time on the Peninsula for ten years...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:25 PM
Nov 2015

Bought a house and retired there. But I had an epiphany after a series of weather related incidents which inspired me to give up my dream of retiring on the East Coast and live in my home state of Michigan instead.

I love Virginia, don't get me wrong. But I wasn't looking forward to deal with being underwater in my old age.

Ptah

(34,122 posts)
7. Fort Benton was once the "World's Innermost Port".
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015
[font size="3"] Fort Benton, Montana[/font]

Established by European-Americans Auguste Chouteau and Pierre Chouteau, Jr. of St. Louis in 1847 as the last fur trading post on the Upper Missouri River, the fort became an important economic center. For 30 years, the port attracted steamboats carrying goods, merchants, gold miners and settlers, coming from New Orleans, Memphis, St. Louis, Hannibal, Bismarck, Kansas City, etc.[6] As the terminus for the 642-mile-long Mullan Road, completed by the US Army in 1860, Fort Benton was part of the overland link between trade on the Missouri River and the Columbia River, at Fort Walla Walla, Washington. Twenty thousand migrants used the road in the first year to travel to the Northwest. It became an important route for miners from both directions going into the interior of Idaho, and north to Canada. Riverboat travel to Fort Benton further provided an important route for miners to the newly discovered gold fields of southern Montana at what became Virginia City/Bannack beginning in 1860, and Helena, beginning in 1865.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Benton,_Montana#History



HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
8. Helena, Montana
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:34 PM
Nov 2015

I've been there twice and loved each visit. Both times I drove the 593 miles from Seattle to Helena. Population 28,190 (2010) Beautiful scenery, interesting architecture (took the bus tour of the city), and a river cruise up the Missouri River through the Gates of the Mountains (Lewis & Clark Expedition). They even have a 75-member symphony orchestra and a 90-member Helena Symphony Chorale. The first time I was there we saw deer on the lawn of the capitol buildings and in nearby residential areas. The summer weather was lovely, but I certainly wouldn't want to be there in the winter with all the snow!

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
12. Just one question:
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:34 AM
Nov 2015

Do locals pronounce it:

a) He-lin-a

b) He-lay-na

or

c) He-leen-a

Unfortunately, my entire experience with Helena goes back to grade school and reciting the names of state capitals. I've always wondered about the correct pronunciation?

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
16. It would be fun if they changed the name of Montana to Handbasket though.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:39 AM
Nov 2015

And then pronounced it like that.

Tommy_Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
15. All I really know about DC growing up in the area....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:38 AM
Nov 2015

....is that it was the place we'd occasionally go for field trips and cultural events and inevitably get hopelessly lost driving in that crazy-ass street grid pattern they had there.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
17. I was surprised the first time I drove through California, how many midsized cities there are
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

Outside of the large cities that make up the LA, San Diego, and Bay Area metros, there are cities like Fresno, Bakersfield or Sacramento that would be the second or third largest cities in many states. And probably at least a dozen other cities in the 100000-200000 pop range.

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