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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:05 AM Nov 2015

John Mayer with "Dead & Company," MSG, 11/7/15. He just doesn't get it.

The show slips in and out of being entertaining and annoying. It's basically three surviving members of the Dead fronting a Dead covers band.

Mayer's vocal style reminds me a little too much of Dave Matthews. For some, that would be a bonus, unless of course you loathe Dave Matthews.

In part one, you will need to fast-forward about 20 minutes to the actual start of the performance. These two clips constitute the full show.



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John Mayer with "Dead & Company," MSG, 11/7/15. He just doesn't get it. (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 2015 OP
I don't loathe Dave Matthews or John Mayer ... Trajan Nov 2015 #1
I saw Dave M open for the Dead ghostsinthemachine Nov 2015 #6
Not only do they rock Trajan Nov 2015 #7
But sometimes ghostsinthemachine Nov 2015 #8
I understand how much the Grateful Dead was appreciated for their live performances. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #2
It's a matter of levels. Miles Archer Nov 2015 #3
Ithink he gets it just fine myself ghostsinthemachine Nov 2015 #4
I love Mayer's live lead work. Iggo Nov 2015 #5
Listening to 11/11 right now and ghostsinthemachine Dec 2015 #9
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
1. I don't loathe Dave Matthews or John Mayer ...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:37 AM
Nov 2015

But I do loathe the Dead ....

As a child of the sixties, you would think I would have a natural inclination to enjoy the Grateful Dead, but I found them to be boring and unimaginative ...

I'll take Dave Matthews over the Dead any day of the week ...

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
6. I saw Dave M open for the Dead
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

95 in Vegas. Seen DMB about 50 times or so before and after that, and I gotta tell ya...... Dave rocks.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
7. Not only do they rock
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015

But their musicianship is superb ... A truly great band of virtuoso performers ....

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
8. But sometimes
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

they are way different than others. Depends on the venue or town they are in. Thankfully I am close to SF where they kill it every night. I no longer see them in Sacramento (my town) because they never kill it there.

BTW< I think they are a much better band now, after LeRoi's passing with Jeff Coffin and Tim Reynolds (and others)becoming full time members. This band is smoking hot.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
2. I understand how much the Grateful Dead was appreciated for their live performances.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

But at this time, and probably for the remainder of my life, I will be unable to physically withstand the rigors of a live concert.

I'm not too crazy about Mayer. I liked Trey better.

So, I can listen to concerts like the following any time I want without leaving my home.

https://archive.org/details/gd70-05-15.early-late.sbd.97.sbeok.shnf

I appreciate that one especially for the contributions of NRPS. Does that sound contradictory? I don't care. I like that peddle steel right there and David Nelson's spacey vocals like on Whacha Gonna Do.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
3. It's a matter of levels.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

In the early years, around 1969 till 1971, at which point Keith (and then later Donna) Godchaux came in to support and then replace an ailing Pigpen, the Dead were a loud, hard-edged, aggressive psychedelic band. They had their moments of quiet...one reason why "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" found their way into a LOT of record collections belonging to non-DeadHeads is that they relied on more of a traditional song structure, that you could listen to them the same way that you might listen to a Neil Young or James Taylor album.

A major issue for me with the concert Dead is Jerry's up-and-down health. The band found their way back from his late-80s diabetic coma, but in the 90s, what you heard was often the sounds of a guy who had indulged in a little too much smack. The hoarseness, the off-key singing, the overall weakness in his voice were all the result of one thing...drugs.

Now, there are DeadHeads who will find magic in every show, but that's not me.

If you listen to Dick's Picks Volume 4...recorded February 13th & 14th 1970 at the Fillmore East...you get to hear a one-hour block that consists of two songs, "Dark Star" & "The Other One." At the 9:41 mark of "The Other One"...coming out of the "Drums" section...you hear the familiar rumble of Phil Lesh's bass, which brought the band into the main "song" section, and then Weir and Garcia's guitars EXPLODE and the band goes nuts into a section that can rightfully be compared to a similar moment in the "Resolution" section of John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme."

But that was one night.

One other nights, during any one of the hundreds of other times they played the same song, they could be sloppy, lacking in focus, lacking in energy, just lacking in general.

In concert, the Dead were all about moments.

And those moments were like snowflakes, pardon the cliche...but a moment for me might not be a moment for you or the next ten guys who hear it. I know people who swoon over those 30 minute crowd chant versions of "Not Fade Away" and they really tried my patience. Same for "Row Jimmy" or "Franklin's Tower" ("roll away, the dew...roll away, the dew...roll away, the dew...roll away, the dew...roll away, the dew...&quot some of their highly repetitive "trance" songs might have been nifty with the right drugs but for me are the songs I skip through.

Hendrix was the same way. He was a genius but I have heard some live shows that were just God-awful.

There's plenty of respectable material in the Dead's studio catalog but most people, including the members of the band, will tell you they were never about that, it was all about the live experience.

And it can't be explained or agreed upon. It just is what it is, ya know?

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
4. Ithink he gets it just fine myself
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:23 PM
Nov 2015

Very surprised by how much JM is getting it in fact. I am rocking the night before from DC right now, and shit is smoking from the very get go. Great but weird Big Boss Man as the second song.


I saw the GD around 500 times, from NYE 68 on and have seen every other incarnation, solo project etc since and I loved them all. I think it is cool to bring different, and divergent artists in the share the music. John Scofield, Trey, the Little Feat guys, all of em, killed me.

I saw both Santa Clara Trey shows and loved them both but that wasn't my favorite post Jerry incarnation, not enough live rehearsal for me, but this band rehearsed it's ass off and it shows. (I will never ever get over that rainbow however)

But see I never got the whole thing about one era being something other than being an era. Loved it all, always have and always will, no matter who is playing it. Even if it is no original members at all, it is still THAT MUSIC. Round here we got about 20 dead cover bands and I check em all out. And love em all.

Iggo

(47,547 posts)
5. I love Mayer's live lead work.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 06:06 PM
Nov 2015

Haven't heard a memorable record from him yet.

That don't mean he sucks. Just means his recorded stuff ain't my thing.

Dude can work a Strat, though.

(Dave Matthews blows.)

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
9. Listening to 11/11 right now and
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:36 PM
Dec 2015

Pretty sweet show even for an audience recording.



Liking it cannot wait for the end of the month run out here in the west. Too bad I'll have to hit LA to get to NYE though. Big bummer.
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