The Walking Dead - 6.16 - Last Day on Earth (spoiler alert - season finale)

[NewJeffCT]

In the sixth-season finale, Rick and the group must go outside the walls to save one of their own, but what they experience on the road will change their lives forever.

[NewJeffCT]

1. some memes from this week

The last two are kind of previews... I'm just hoping the rumored huge cliffhanger really is just a rumor.







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[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. See who this is:

At

1:36

1:44

And

2:15 (on the left)

https://m.

[NewJeffCT]

87. a chain of walkers

Michonne's hair pinned to one. Uh oh

[Solly Mack]

2. I'm dreading tonight.

Death, death, and more death.

[NewJeffCT]

3. I'm dreading

that they give us a potential cliffhanger and leave us waiting to find out for sure.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Who is the rumored casualty?

Work your scan magic.

[NewJeffCT]

5. there was a leaked audio of the last 10 minutes

and they're pretty sure it's a cliffhanger, but if you go to the last several seconds of it and enhance the sound, you can supposedly hear... (swipe to the right) [font color=white]Glenn calling out "Maggie" as he gets gets clubbed.[/font]

Now, if it's really a cliffhanger at the end, it could be another fakeout like the dumpster bit where the person in the spoiler text seemingly is the one, but it's really somebody else.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. My thoughts. Potential spoilers.

They removed the video, but they kept the transcript. However, the word, "maggie" was not included in the transcript. In fact, it sounded like they had focused on Carl.

If they do pick Glenn I think he's a goner. Unless they want to turn him into a legend on WD. That first blow looks like it would have been fatal. Of course, I understand that Negan wants to make a strong visual point so there will be more to follow.

Now I understand why Maggie's pregnancy is at risk.

[NewJeffCT]

7. I did not hear that, either

but, I didn't really go out of my way to listen for it, either. I'm just going by what I've heard in the spoiling dead forums (the facebook page seems to have been locked by AMC)

[Solly Mack]

9. Yeah, that too.

But I'm already convinced that's going to happen.

[bettyellen]

14. I skipped the 5-6 posts above this- I want to be surprised. 88 minutes to go.

[Solly Mack]

16. I didn't read the possible spoilers either.

I want to be surprised as well.

Dwelling on who might die would make the waiting worse for me.

As you watch, I'll be holding your hand. I'll need it myself.

[NewJeffCT]

10. some recent articles

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/04/the_walking_dead_season_finale.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/walking-dead-going-pull-jon-snow-daryl-dixon-poll-2347520

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/01/the-walking-dead-season-finale-5-burning-questions

http://www.accesshollywood.com/articles/alanna-masterson-talks-walking-dead/

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/03/will-carol-die-in-the-walking-dead-season-finale-/

[NewJeffCT]

11. Reminder - tonight's episode is 90 minutes

9pm EST to 10:30pm.

[oregonjen]

12. Anyone live streaming? I live on the left coast, can't wait until 9pm PST!

My son and I are counting the minutes!

[bettyellen]

13. Did you look on the AMC website? Sometimes if you sign in with your cable provider it works?

Good luck!

[oregonjen]

15. Yeah, I have Comcast, will be live streaming!

[NewJeffCT]

17. I'll be on here and on Twitter

while the show is running.

[bettyellen]

18. Are you tweeting to the Talking Dead people?

[NewJeffCT]

19. I always forget

to include talking dead on there. I usually just do #TWD and/or #TheWalkingDead. However, I think #TWDFinale is trending tonight, so I might at that one.

[bettyellen]

20. We need to think of a great question for you to tweet. Especially since you might have an idea who

the mystery guess is going to be..... Don't tell me though.

[NewJeffCT]

25. Wild guess

I don't have any insight, but I'm guessing it might be Jeffrey Dean Morgan, aka Negan

[bettyellen]

21. Awesome!

[NewJeffCT]

22. 15 minutes to go

I wonder if we find out what happens to Nancy from Montclair?

[Baitball Blogger]

23. I doubt it. I expect her to do another Rambo Carol in the first of second show of the

new season.

[bettyellen]

230. I have a friend Nancy who lives in Bloomfield, at the border of Montclair!

[Solly Mack]

24. Thank you, NewJeffCT! for the WD threads!

Much appreciated!!

I already haz a sad that the season is (will soon be) over.

[NewJeffCT]

27. Thanks for contributing

I always appreciate every reply

[bettyellen]

26. Can I just say thank you guys for being an oasis of kindness and reason during this bleak season @DU

[NewJeffCT]

29. you're welcome

we appreciate every response

[NewJeffCT]

28. Morgan and a horse

they don't last very long on this show - horses.

[charlie and algernon]

30. The shit is hurling towards the fan at a high rate of speed.

[NewJeffCT]

31. yes

these guys are splitting up again.

[NewJeffCT]

32. Carl locks Enid in the closet

to protect her. Not exactly the way to win a girl's heart.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

33. lol carl!

smart ass

[NewJeffCT]

34. Father Gabriel

has morphed into a soldier - he looks pretty badass now

[Solly Mack]

35. Oh, Damn! All of our people are outside the fence. Well, almost all.

This is going to be ugly.

[NewJeffCT]

40. yeah

they keep splitting up into smaller and smaller groups.

[Solly Mack]

42. They'll probably converge at some point.

After one or two die, what is left will meet Negan. (where one more will die)

[charlie and algernon]

36. It's a christmas miracle! They FINALLY have a contingency plan for retreat!!!!!

It only took 6 seasons to realize they need rally points, etc.



And then of course Spencer has to ruin the good moment....

[NewJeffCT]

38. yes, I'm glad they took the time

to actually state that they have a plan and a place to rendezvous.

[bettyellen]

45. True!

[NewJeffCT]

37. Morgan finds Carol

I wonder if the horse will make it

[Solly Mack]

39. My thoughts exactly - about the horse.

Horses never fare well.

[NewJeffCT]

41. from episode 1

the first two things to die - the little girl and Rick's horse. Both have bad track records on the show.

[Solly Mack]

44. Except for Judith, who will grow up to be like her mother Michonne and her Aunt Carol.

[charlie and algernon]

46. I think Judith becomes Alice from the Resident Evil series.

[Solly Mack]

51. I think Judith will be the most normal of all.

She won't have known anything else.

[NewJeffCT]

47. yes

she'll be indoctrinated into the new world.

[charlie and algernon]

43. So Trevor managed to escape Los Santos

[Baitball Blogger]

48. Oh, dear. Rick is saying as long as they're together, they can do anything.

And the group has split into four different directions.

[Solly Mack]

49. And so it begins

[NewJeffCT]

50. These Saviors like their roadblocks

the last one didn't work too well.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

53. too bad that they only had 2 rpg's with that launcher

[charlie and algernon]

55. I thought they had at least 3, if not 4.

[NewJeffCT]

52. That was a weird standoff

no casualties, and what was going on with the can of spray paint or something?

[Baitball Blogger]

54. Just as confused as you are at that no conflict, conflict scene.

[charlie and algernon]

56. Perhaps the Saviors recognized they were outgunned this time around.

[Solly Mack]

57. Another lone walker in the field.

What's with the cross like rainbow light?

[Solly Mack]

58. No, Morgan - they won't all be back.

Dear Carol - stop acting like an idiot. Now is not the time for self pity.

[NewJeffCT]

60. she's had a huge burden on her shoulders

since Lizzie and Mika

[NewJeffCT]

59. Morgan trying to convince Carol to come back

Carol doesn't want kill anymore?

[bettyellen]

61. Carol should be able to score a nice cushy non-violent position at Alexandria ....

where you only occasionally have to defend yourself from attack. Would that be so bad?

[NewJeffCT]

63. I don't think it would

but, how long would it last?

[Solly Mack]

62. Seriously, Carol? Was that supposed to be profound?

If you care about people there's a price...seriously?

When hasn't that been true?

get a grip!

[bettyellen]

64. I know, right?

[Solly Mack]

65. OK. Abraham or Sasha? because they just made baby plans, so to speak.

So...one of them will die tonight.

[bettyellen]

69. Sasha! I am bored with her.

[Solly Mack]

72. My money is on Abraham.

Though it is beyond tiresome that all the men in her life die.

[bettyellen]

74. It would be funny awkward for Abe to lose his new lady though. Whasserface would smirk.

[Solly Mack]

86. She cares for Abraham too much to smirk at his pain, I think.

[NewJeffCT]

66. 5 on 16

not good odds Rick making the right move

[bettyellen]

67. WHUT?

[Solly Mack]

68. Rick and group are being herded and they appear to be too dumb to know it.

[NewJeffCT]

70. it looks that way

two roads blocked now... only Nancy from Montclair or Daryl with an RPG can get through.

[charlie and algernon]

77. Speaking of such

When the hell we finding out Daryl's fate?

[Solly Mack]

80. Nancy seems to have given up though.

And Daryl is injured.

I think they are being herded to the others that have been captured.

So maybe it's up to Morgan and Nancy. Maybe they meet new people from the Hilltop trade alliance who will help?

[bettyellen]

71. I am too dumb to know it too. OOPS.

[Solly Mack]

82. Nah. Besides, I am probably wrong.

[bettyellen]

84. Well.......I suck at Battleship too!

[Baitball Blogger]

76. Bingo.

And, what was the sound that Morgan heard that got his attention?

[NewJeffCT]

79. not sure

a walker or a person, I think?

[Baitball Blogger]

88. Dead man hanging.

And now the dead red rover brigade. They have them ressed up in their friends clothing.

Psychological war games.

[charlie and algernon]

73. The Saviors have quite the army.

I think Atlanta is looking pretty good again, lol

[NewJeffCT]

75. Yes

they seem to have an almost endless supply of armed men.

[bettyellen]

78. Did you read the comic, Jeff? I deliberately stayed away.

[NewJeffCT]

81. Yes

in the comics, the Saviors were very formidable, but neither side had as many guns. And, the Saviors were not as numerous

[bettyellen]

83. I wonder if Morgan and Carol will be the big heroes tonight?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

85. dumbass

as if Carol wouldn't take off

[Solly Mack]

89. They are being herded to the other group it seems.

[NewJeffCT]

90. a chain of walkers

with Michonne's hair pinned to one and Daryls' jacket on another

[bettyellen]

93. Chai, chai chai, chaaaaain! I was hearing Aretha.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

97. ...Chain of Ghouls

[bettyellen]

99. Well done!! JEFF YOU SHOULD TEXT CHA CHA CHAIN< CHAIN OF GHOULS !!!

[bettyellen]

91. Wow, three walkers in a row, nice work Rick!

[Baitball Blogger]

92. They got through. At least we know that Maggie will be taken care of.

[NewJeffCT]

95. But

they got the message that Michonne and Daryl are either dead or prisoners.

[Baitball Blogger]

98. If Rick can keep it together, they might come back with a plan.

[Baitball Blogger]

101. Spoke too soon.

Things just got exponentially worse.

[Solly Mack]

94. Rick now knows that Michonne, Daryl, Glenn, and Rosita have been captured

and are possibly (for all they know) dead.

[Solly Mack]

96. I think people from The Kingdom are out in the area as well.

[Solly Mack]

100. Roadblock number 4

They should have killed the first smaller group.

[NewJeffCT]

102. Rick finally knows they're being herded

and, that was a huge group of Saviors. At least 30, I think?

[Solly Mack]

105. Looked to be about that many or more.

The groups seem to be getting bigger.

[NewJeffCT]

108. I think they're all different groups

who seems to know the area well.

[Solly Mack]

113. You think? Maybe. Not all Saviors? Wouldn't the kingdom people try to find out who was who?

Or is everyone assuming everyone else is a Savior?

I think the people at the barn were from the Kingdom.

[NewJeffCT]

115. sorry

I meant the Roadblock group are all Saviors

[Solly Mack]

121. Yes, I agree.

The guy that got kicked and spray painted was maybe from the kingdom.

[NewJeffCT]

123. maybe

or maybe another group?

[Solly Mack]

135. Could be.

[charlie and algernon]

117. The saviors are well organized

With maps and radios, they could easily position their forces around like that.

I'm still holding on to my theory that they started out as surviving military personnel.

[Solly Mack]

124. They are very well organized.

Don't know what they were before but Negan is capable of training them.

[Baitball Blogger]

114. ?

You mean, like territorial gang wars?

The Negan group had walkie talkies so they can be different platoons from the same Negan group.

[Baitball Blogger]

103. Yup.

This is escalating.

[charlie and algernon]

106. They're steadily increasing in numbers too

Going from a squad to a platoon to a company to now a full regiment.

[Solly Mack]

109. Yep

[Solly Mack]

104. The guy from the truck that Carol shot up is still following Carol.

Morgan not far behind.

[NewJeffCT]

111. yes

hopefully, he can save her like he saved Daryl and Aaron last season

[Baitball Blogger]

107. No! Not Carol!

[bettyellen]

125. This guy shooting her needs an ugly death.

[Baitball Blogger]

133. Good karma paying off. Morgan finally meets some good guys!

[Solly Mack]

110. Morgan needs to hurry his butt along.

[oregonjen]

112. Too many commercials!

[Solly Mack]

116. There needs to be a come to Jesus moment.

[NewJeffCT]

119. He's been absent

the past few episodes

[Solly Mack]

126. But maybe he shows up now.

[Baitball Blogger]

272. He could be at the Hilltop trying to convince that group to join the fight.

And, if we are lucky, Tara's group has already met the new group and step in just as they are ready to start an offensive against Negan.

[Solly Mack]

274. Maybe. I completely forgot about Tara and Heath.

[Baitball Blogger]

277. Tara is going to want some revenge too.

[Solly Mack]

286. Maybe. I think the group might be completely demoralized at this point.

I'm inclined to think it was Glenn that died but only because of the comics and a season that centered a lot around Glenn even when he wasn't the actual hub of action.

It really could have been anyone, aside from Rick and Carl.

Tara, losing Denise and Glenn, would be devastated and maybe not bent on revenge. She realized her error with the governor when she saw everyone she cared about destroyed, but it was Hershel's death, a stranger to her, that caused her the most pain. I think she saw what revenge can do.

Still, she might want a taste.

I'm going to watch the finale and Talking Dead again later today. I always miss something.

[Baitball Blogger]

289. After you rewatch the show, pop into my thread for a new theory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018854883

[bettyellen]

122. LOL.

[Solly Mack]

147. They need his kick-ass skills now.

[bettyellen]

154. Is he really that good? He stole the truck and climbed on it...

Is he amazing in the comic?

[Solly Mack]

161. He's that good. He disarmed Michonne in the comics with ease.

He can take down several people with just his hands and feet.

[bettyellen]

164. Well, hopefully Jesus come SOON!!

[Joe Shlabotnik]

118. with a 1/2 hour left, this definately going to be cliff hanger finale

the way this is building

[Baitball Blogger]

139. They have been stringing us along.

Very clever group. I am beginning to see why someone said they were the remnants of the military group that fought the first offensive.

[bettyellen]

120. I feel like they might have killed everyone at the Hilltop?

[NewJeffCT]

127. Carol shot twice now

damn, now this guy just leaves her

[Baitball Blogger]

128. Carol is going to be so pissed at Morgan!

[nc4bo]

129. ugh.......WD you're killing me!!! nt

[bettyellen]

130. Poor Carol wanted a mercy killing.

[Solly Mack]

131. Thank you, Morgan!!

But Nancy is out of commission. She won't be saving anyone.

[Solly Mack]

132. The Kingdom has come!!!!

[NewJeffCT]

136. Yep

you're right, but I don't think we'll get Ezekiel yet

[Solly Mack]

144. Probably not. Meeting Negan is enough for new characters for now, I guess.

[Solly Mack]

134. Roadblock number 5

[Solly Mack]

141. The various Savior groups are now moving into different positions

so they are setting up roadblocks, tracking them, then setting back up.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

137. A new group.

Looks like good guys. I wonder how big their numbers are.

[NewJeffCT]

140. Not sure

they had body armor, but were equipped with spears.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

155. Yeah, not good defense against rifles.

But they do manage to keep their horses alive, so maybe they have some skills.

[bettyellen]

138. the old barricade of logs... set aflame, trick.

[NewJeffCT]

142. That's a lot of work

to get that many logs into the road

[bettyellen]

143. I love a good scheme.

[Solly Mack]

145. Was that Eugene's kiss of death?

Or Abraham's?

[bettyellen]

149. One of them is going to get it.....

or will they? I have no idea.

[Solly Mack]

157. I still think it will be Abraham.

Which sucks since I want him and Sasha to have some happy times together.

[NewJeffCT]

150. well

Eugene is driving off into the sunset now

[Solly Mack]

153. Yeah, but then heroes do that too.

[Solly Mack]

287. You are right, I think. About the direction everyone went having a meaning.

Morgan brought it up in the car with Rick - about which direction Carol went in (east) away from the Saviors. He was also saying how the figurative direction you can go in - the choices you make - can destroy you.

About how Morgan had come to realize that it wasn't a case of what the right choice is, but doing the right that breaks you the least.

[Baitball Blogger]

151. I think Eugene is going to try to run a road block.

[Solly Mack]

158. Dunno. Hope he's OK.

[NewJeffCT]

146. some quiet moments

before the storm. Eugene making everybody proud

[Baitball Blogger]

156. But, it doesn't make sense.

His brainpower is needed to make bullets.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

159. The recipe might have to do. nt

[charlie and algernon]

160. Rick has the recipe now

[NewJeffCT]

162. True

it wasn't a group that had a huge amount of brainpower.

[bettyellen]

163. He is trying to make up for the fact that he faked another "recipe" to save them....

would be ironic if "more bullets" was what they needed all along.

[Baitball Blogger]

148. Omigod! Eugene is setting up to be the hero!

[charlie and algernon]

152. *sniff*

Probably the last time Eugene and Abraham see each other.

[Solly Mack]

165. 90 minute finale because of 30 minutes of commercials.

Wait..what?

Daryl has a new series?

Ut, oh.

[aikoaiko]

293. But his hair is still TWD style in the commercials. I'm hopeful for Daryl surviving another season.

[Solly Mack]

295. Yeah, me too.

[Solly Mack]

166. Well, it's the killing time.

[NewJeffCT]

167. more whistling

just like when Michonne and Glenn were caught

[Baitball Blogger]

168. OMigod. They sound like mockingjays from the Hunger Games.

[Solly Mack]

169. Lucille is about to make an appearance.

[Baitball Blogger]

189. Yup. And we will find out soon who wins the lottery.

[Solly Mack]

192. Aaron or Abraham

Or Glenn...maybe more than one?

Since Glenn is now with them, it will probably be Glenn.

[Baitball Blogger]

196. Glenn or Carl.

[Solly Mack]

197. Glenn it is. I'm going with Glenn dying tonight.

[Baitball Blogger]

271. To add to the mystery,

Robert Kirkman, who was on TD said that there were hints. The only other hint that I saw was that Glenn was at the end of the line. Which would put him in a bad spot for an eeny meeny mo pick.

[Solly Mack]

273. Negan addressed Rick and Carl right before he took the first swing

If he tries anything, take his other eye out and feed it to his father..

So, someone near Carl?

I'll have to watch again.

[bettyellen]

170. Well, this sucks.

[NewJeffCT]

171. wow

they have a lot of men

[Solly Mack]

172. They have Eugene. They probably have the Michonne and the others too.

Negan is coming with Lucille.

[Baitball Blogger]

175. Ohhh! You're right. There's the RV!

[Baitball Blogger]

173. Well, well. Eugene may make it out afterall.

But, Rick fell in the trap.

[Solly Mack]

174. Eugene is there on his knees.

[Baitball Blogger]

179. I saw that!

The only ones who are safe are Morgan and Carol!

[NewJeffCT]

181. and Carol is not doing well

she was injured and in need to medication before she got shot twice

[Solly Mack]

183. and we still don't know about Michonne and the rest yet.

[NewJeffCT]

177. the whole group did

not a good place

[Baitball Blogger]

184. This sucks. Remember what I said about the spoiler.

I think the next segment will pick up from the transcript.

[nc4bo]

176. which one meets Lucille? nt

[Solly Mack]

178. Anybody's guess at this point.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

185. Wonder if they have the other hostages there too

[nc4bo]

195. Looks like it!

[redwitch]

180. This is a hard one to watch. nt

[bettyellen]

182. I don't like this sone bit. Hate Rick when he snivels and quakes like that, but I guess I'd do

that too. Damn.

[NewJeffCT]

186. He hasn't done that in a while

maybe since before when he was farmer rick?

[Solly Mack]

187. He will feel responsible for any deaths.

And he's already scared for Carl.

I'm sick at my tummy.

[NewJeffCT]

188. My guess for Talking Dead's surprise guest

Jeffrey Dean Morgan

[bettyellen]

190. But not because he is dead? Shit. No more huge cliff hangers. I am too old....

for this shit.

[Baitball Blogger]

201. He's the next villain.

We get to increase the hate on him until the next season.

[Solly Mack]

191. He will get boo'ed.

I'll boo him anyway.

[bettyellen]

194. I'd throw shit at him.

[Baitball Blogger]

193. Worse than Voldermort!

[Solly Mack]

198. Who's Negan? (Abraham voice)

[bettyellen]

199. I do not appreciate you killing my men............ Not cool.

[Solly Mack]

200. There she is - Lucille.

[NewJeffCT]

202. Negan has arrived

and it's not good

[Baitball Blogger]

207. He talks too much!

Five mins plus three mins overtime!

Oh, he's starting to get to it. Look for clues!

[nc4bo]

203. I cant watch!! nt

[Solly Mack]

204. Negan (the actor) and Maggie (the actress) were both on the show Supernatural

[Solly Mack]

205. I hate it when they monologue.

[NewJeffCT]

209. it's the way of villains

[Solly Mack]

213. Yep! lol!

I was thinking about that movie exactly.

[bettyellen]

206. So he intends to keep all but one live, as they said before?

[Baitball Blogger]

210. No. He's going to beat up one of them as an example.

They are showing Glenn first!

[Solly Mack]

219. He's going to kill one them, I think.

[Solly Mack]

212. He killed Glenn in the comics.

[bettyellen]

215. Uh oh.

[Solly Mack]

218. and I think he just sealed his fate

[Baitball Blogger]

222. It is Glenn.

I haven't seen his face yet. So, it is Glenn.

[Solly Mack]

208. Negan - not crazy like the Governor but more dangerous in his own way.

[NewJeffCT]

214. more organized

and definitely a lot more of them

[Solly Mack]

217. Yep

Glenn just sealed his fate.

[bettyellen]

211. Lucille looks like she would be hard to clean?

[Baitball Blogger]

216. Yes it does. Interesting.

[bettyellen]

227. Stress makes my mind go weird places.

[Solly Mack]

232. There's no way to get all the brains and blood off that bat.

[bettyellen]

220. Rick is all wet and shaking in closeup. I can't take it.

[Iris]

303. Yeah. He looked like shit. At one point, only the whites of his eyes were showing.

Awful.

[bettyellen]

308. Honestly, I hate when he does that. LOL.

[Solly Mack]

221. Well, fuck.

[NewJeffCT]

225. that was sickening

at the end

[bettyellen]

234. Yes, that was horrible.

[Solly Mack]

241. Yeah. I was seeing the comics during that scene.

Enid is going to take Sophia's role as Maggie's "daughter".

[redwitch]

247. It was.

And they just showed it again on Talking Dead. Because once wasn't enough?

[Solly Mack]

223. So, it's not Carl or Rick. It's Glenn. I know it is.

[bettyellen]

224. So, any ideas who got it?

[Solly Mack]

226. Glenn

[nc4bo]

228. Glenn or darryl. I wanna puke. Nt

[Joe Shlabotnik]

237. are your sure? I lost track.

Fucking cliffhanger to end all cliffhangers though. Gonna be a long summer.

[nc4bo]

239. Pfftt.... I love WD but love hating it just as much! Loong summer indeed. nt

[bettyellen]

243. Yep. I will miss these threads. We may have a new president by the time we know...

[Baitball Blogger]

275. Possibly not Daryl, at least until he gets his revenge from Dwight.

He said on TD that he won't stop until he gets revenge for Denise.

[Solly Mack]

229. Boo! Boo!

[Baitball Blogger]

231. Glenn, Glenn, Glenn.

It was Glenn in the comic books. Wasn't it Glenn who saw the Polaroids of previous Lucille victims? That is called foreshadow.

[Solly Mack]

235. Yes. It was Glenn who looked at all those photos.

[bettyellen]

238. ? what photos?

[Baitball Blogger]

242. In their first raid against Negan's people, Glenn killed someone in their sleep.

On the wall there were photographs taped on the wall of previous Lucille victims.

[Solly Mack]

244. At the plant, when Rick and group killed all those men. Where Carol/Maggie were captured.

On the wall of the sleeping men, with Glenn and Heath, there were many photos of people with their heads and faces all bashed in - that was Lucille's handiwork.

Glenn took a good hard look at the photos.

[nc4bo]

236. Yes he had a looong look at that wall with pics too. ugh. nt

[bettyellen]

240. Oh shit, those photos. Yeah.

[NewJeffCT]

245. They also foreshadowed

the possibility of Daryl, Carol and Morgan dying as well...

[Islandurp]

233. Hate cliffhangers

fuck this episode.

[bettyellen]

246. #whoisit UGH THEY CAN BITE ME

[nc4bo]

248. I 2nd that emotion. nt

[bettyellen]

249. they are going for the Twitter trend. I hate that.

[NewJeffCT]

257. You know what's even worse?

the scene where Negan clubs Glenn in the comics is one of the most iconic moments in the entire series, which is going on 150 or so issues now.

Now, we get a cliffhanger, and in a month or so when they start filming season 7, it will leak out onto the internet who was the one that got killed and the people that have been long time fans will have the big moment broken up into the cliffhanger and then the spoilers and then a long wait to see the spoilers confirmed.

[bettyellen]

258. So true. Like the Jesus pics were leaked prior to this season.

[Solly Mack]

250. Thanks to everyone for making the season better and another thanks to NewJeffCT!

[Joe Shlabotnik]

251. +10000

[NewJeffCT]

252. You're welcome

and thanks for everybody who has posted and visited my threads since way back in seasons 1 and 2.

[Baitball Blogger]

260. +20001

[Solly Mack]

253. Maybe it was all misdirection and it wasn't Glenn.

even though the hints all seemed to point at Glenn all through the season (all the close calls, the photos, his drawing attention to himself), maybe that was misdirection.

Maybe.

I know it wasn't Carl or Rick but it could have been anyone else.

Negan said to feed Carl's eye to Rick if they try anything, so that sounds like neither of them got it.

[NewJeffCT]

256. I'm not sure either

Glenn, Daryl or Abraham.

[Solly Mack]

259. Not Daryl. I don't think so anyway. But..

Didn't Gimple say on the Talking dead a few minutes ago that it was someone well loved by the fans?

He was talking and I'm not sure even he realized what he said, but his word choice is telling - someone well loved. (killed by Negan)

So, someone well loved died.

It could be Daryl, but I'm thinking it was Glenn still.

But maybe not.

Daryl and Glenn are both well loved with strong fan bases. Carol, but she wasn't there.

[Solly Mack]

301. I don't want it to be Abraham simply because I'm tired of the men in Sasha's life dying.

She may as well put a bullet in her head, because I'm not sure there will be any coming back for her if it is Abraham.

Unless she will go on to fall for the leader of the Kingdom, instead of it being Michonne - since Michonne is Andrea, so to speak.

I think I keep thinking it is Glenn because of the comics. He's already dead.

But then so is Carol, so...

[suffragette]

296. Finally watched it. Lots of clues, but any could be misdirection as you note

Glenn - all the close escapes this season as precursor to no escape.

Daryl - if anything could shake Carol out of her state it would be Daryl's death.

Someone in between Rick and Carl. I think Sasha or Aaron were the ones between them. That would add more meaning to why Negan gave the extra warning to Rick and Carl. If it's Sasha, then could also bring Abraham back to Rosita. Already sounds like Spencer is being set to collaborate with Saviors and that could be another push away for him from Rick's group to the new one.

[NewJeffCT]

297. I don't think Sasha or Aaron dying

would have the big emotional impact of losing Glenn or Daryl.

[suffragette]

299. Agree losing Daryl or Glenn is much more emotionally impactful

though I really like Aaron's character.

Main reason I added Sasha or Aaron is because of them being physically located between Rick and Carl and because of Negan's additional statement to them about not interfering.

[Solly Mack]

300. Glenn makes the most sense aside from what Negan said to about Rick/Carl.

It could be Daryl but I'm thinking not. Unless when they moved Glenn they moved him next to Carl. I couldn't really tell how they all ended up.

Who knows? The writers are up to something and we'll know soon enough.

I just hope it makes sense. I can stand losing a main character if the death is essential to the story - even if only to show how precarious life is and how no one is safe.

[suffragette]

302. Interesting point about possibly moving Glenn next to them.

I hadn't thought about the movement going on.

Yes, sadly Glenn makes the most sense, with Daryl a secondary possibility.

[NewJeffCT]

312. I read a few articles

and the producers flipped back and forth between each person and Lucille, and didn't necessarily go in order of left to right or right to left.

[Solly Mack]

313. I noticed that. Negan's count was off and that was intentional.At the end, the camera was

swinging out of order from how they appeared to be kneeling. Also intentional.

But Negan did say what he said and I think that was for a reason.

[Iris]

304. I thought the same about Darryl

That that would make Carol come back.

[suffragette]

307. Yes, with a vengeance!

[Rhythm]

254. Thank you Jeff and the rest of the TWD fans...

I lost my cable service at the beginning of this season, so i have had to make-do with reading the posted-next-day plot synopsis on Wiki... but not before i read along with ~this~ thread each Sunday night!

Gonna be a long, long summer...

#IsItOctoberYet ?

[NewJeffCT]

255. you're welcome

yes, it's going to be a long 6 1/2 months.

Fear the Walking Dead next week, and Game of Thrones in 3 weeks

[Rhythm]

264. "Fear" i just sort of shrugged at...

I kept wanting ~something~ to eat Nicholas... and when that didn't happen, i just got annoyed with it.
I wouldn't be tuning-in for 'season 2', even if i had the ability to.

Game of Thrones is excellent, but again, no cable at present...
So i'll sit over here, impatiently tapping my foot and waiting for GRRM to get that damned next book out already. *L*

[Stardust]

262. For $20 a month, you can watch AMC (and more) with Sling. nt

[Rhythm]

263. Thank you for the tip, but that's not financially viable right now...

Keeping the internet service and our cells on are the only non-necessity things we spend money on...

I work two jobs (65+ hrs a week total), but have a family to take care of, and hence have no disposable income.
That $20/month is almost what i pay for two weeks worth of bus service to get to/from work.

[Flaxbee]

265. Just as a PSA, I do NOT recommend Sling. EVER.

They charged us for months even after we asked them to terminate our service (which was crappy, by the way). When I called them they'd say they'd turned it off OR that they couldn't find our account, yet we'd get another charge the next month. We finally had to get our credit card company to intervene. Sling never responded to them, so the credit card company refunded us. But Sling is SLIMY when it comes to customer service.

If you ever decide not to use them anymore, you may have to jump through hoops to keep from being charged.

[Stardust]

278. I'm sorry you had a bad experience.I've been lucky so far-I cancelled them recently with no problem.

[bettyellen]

261. So they are promising an amazing season opener to repay us for this cliff hanger. Hmmm.

I don't know how they can beat Carol at Terminus.

[NewJeffCT]

270. yes

that was a great season opener . maybe they have Carol, Morgan and the people they found ride in on horseback and save the day - the cavalry has come?

[akbacchus_BC]

266. I really do not like the ending. Seems to me that Glen got killed.

I cannot envison Carol coming to their rescue!

[NewJeffCT]

267. I think it may have been Glenn

but, it's certain that somebody got killed. Even if Carol and Morgan came riding to the rescue, it's already to late for that person.

[akbacchus_BC]

321. Sorry for replying so late, if memory recalls, it was

Glen who was at the left side. I am so sorry for Maggie. I love the show but man, this is killing me to think that those folks will eventually (Megan and his co horts) will invade Alexandria! Am thinking that Carol and the other guy will help to save them. I was on pins and needles when I saw what they eventually encountered. The best of the best are now held hostage.

[Iris]

329. The ending was really horrifying

When they were night blind and corralled into the middle of all those "Saviors"

[Ohio Joe]

268. That was a crap ending...

So crappy, I may not come back to watch the show any more. This will be spoiled well before the show returns... Such a disappointment.

[NewJeffCT]

269. That's my problem as well

It's a lot harder to do cliffhangers in the days of the internet and everybody having a smartphone - people will know who lives and who dies soon after they start filming Season 7. So, they've basically wrecked an iconic scene from the comics for a cheap trick.

[Baitball Blogger]

276. It will still be iconic.

They said that the person they kill sets up events that follow. Unfortunately, it would have to take a sacrifice from the old gang to really add up to an emotional investment in the audience to get Negan.

[Stardust]

279. Do you read the comics? Did Negan kill some as portrayed in the show? If so, who? Thanks. nt

[NewJeffCT]

281. In the comics

Negan kills Glenn.

That said, the show gave Dale's "tainted meat" death to Bob; they gave Tyreese's execution death by the Governor using Michonne's katana to Hershel; Carol is long dead in the comics and Sophia is still alive; Andrea is alive in the comics; Denise got the crossbow through the eye that Abraham got in the comics. There is no Daryl and no Sasha in the comics, either. (In the comics, Tyreese had a daughter who hanged herself back at Hershel's farm)

However, since Scott Gimple knows this, it would be a switch to give Glenn the same death on the show as he got in the comics.

[Stardust]

284. Thanks so much. That Scott Gimple is a wily cat!

[NewJeffCT]

285. it depends on how you feel

Is changing things up like Glenn's death following what happened in the comics being wily? Or, is it pulling the rug out from underneath fans and a cheap gimmick?

[Ohio Joe]

310. And I'll call it now... They will make it even worse...

They will not show the death in the first episode... That will show how Daryl, Glenn and Michonne got to the gathering and it will get Morgan and Carol there as well... They won't show who got killed until episode two or maybe even three.Gimple really needs to go if this show is to be saved.

[Logical]

280. It was crappy! Stupid and a waste of time. Nt

[The2ndWheel]

282. Too many things felt a little too forced

Getting everyone out of Alexandria. They kill off the one doctor, and then Daryl goes after the killers blindly, then a bunch of the group follows him blindly, then Maggie gets into medical trouble, sending everyone else off.

I get the big finale with Negan, and the group in peril, but the writers just sort of got everyone to that point to get them to that point. Then Carol wandering off by herself.

I'm not a writer, I've never been in a writer's room, but sometimes it seems like they forget they have only X amount of episodes per season on some of these shows. Cram a bunch of stuff in, and then oh yeah, we have to get everyone into that lineup. We'll just make people do some crazy things to get them there.

That's the nature of TV though I guess. Even the best shows have it happen. It's not a 1.5 hour movie. It's not a book. It's an ongoing show with actual people, who sometimes want to leave the show, or have contract issues, or whatever. It's difficult to get it right in TV. There's a next season, or many more season, or you don't know how many, it's jobs, it's money, so you can't do everything right away, but you have to keep coming up with ideas, so you have to stretch the time, but you don't want to linger, etc.

[NewJeffCT]

283. I agree

the showrunners and writers are not always good at making the show have a flow to the action and the events.

When the Wolves attacked Alexandria, some people died, but Carol, Aaron, Rosita and Tara basically fended off and killed almost all of them by themselves. Especially Carol.

rather than some huge elaborate and awkward setup where everybody loses their heads and leaves Alexandria, they could have done it like they did in the comics - the Saviors conducted a multi-pronged military style attack on Alexandria and overwhelmed the entire town quickly. Rick and company had been so used to being attack straight on that they weren't prepared for being attacked straight on, while also being hit from the flanks as well, and by a lot of trained warriors.

Having everybody trickle out of town and conduct all those elaborate mini-scenarios with the RV and with Daryl/Rosita/Michonne/Glenn was really forced.

[The2ndWheel]

288. I have not read the comics

but that does sound like a more efficient way of doing things. Makes more sense too, considering how much they were building up the defenses of Alexandria in the show.

It's funny how one moment can make or break something. Lots of complaints about the cliffhanger out there. If they had just showed who it was, nobody would really be pissed off. All the other details would be overlooked. Mess up that one thing though, and then you can see something wrong over here, and over there, and under that, etc. It should be interesting to see how they write themselves out of it, because the way they ended the season seems to hurt people more than who was killed. That can be dangerous territory.

[Islandurp]

290. steven ogg does such a great job playing a unhinged lunatic.

[The2ndWheel]

294. He just follows the stache

That's where the talent is.

[yallerdawg]

291. This is what we waited for.

[Baitball Blogger]

292. Best.Season.Ending.Evah!

[Iris]

305. Agreed. I much prefer this cliffhanger to watching the others watch their friend beaten to death.

It's likely that could bee the point of view when the season returns but it will feel less awful now that the initial tension is gone.

[ok_cpu]

298. Here's What I'm Struggling With

If the Saviors have the people, machinery, and firepower that they appear to, and Negan is as bad-ass as we're supposed to believe, why wouldn't they kill all of them. They have a perfect opportunity to take out all of the leadership at Alexandria and a good portion of its muscle. They can't think that whatever arrangement they have in mind going forward is actually going to work. Take that with a grain of salt...I haven't read the comics.

As far as who died at the end of the episode, I think it's Glenn or Daryl. And I don't think a cliffhanger was the original intent. I've read stories that Reedus might be ready to leave the show. I think they're trying to lock him down. If they can, Glenn dies. If not, it'll be Daryl.

That's my .02

[Baitball Blogger]

306. It does sound like the writers haven't decided, yet.

One of the actors said that they won't even find out until shooting begins. So, it might be a decision that occurs by attrition, just like you point out.

[Iris]

309. I hadn't thought of that before. n/t

[NewJeffCT]

311. The Saviors

need serfs/peasants to scavenge food for them, or raise the chickens, pigs and cows to feed them. If you notice, the Saviors had guns, while the people at the Hilltop at knives, axes and homemade spears.

let's say The Saviors go back to Alexandria and confiscate all of the weapons there, will the Hilltop and Alexandria be able to fight against the Saviors, armed with assault rifles and other automatic weapons?

[ohnoyoudidnt]

316. So does that mean the people that helped Morgan and Carol are likely a group of Negan's serfs? nt

[NewJeffCT]

317. To be honest

I don't remember if The Kingdom were under the sway of The Saviors or not, but I think they were.

[Iris]

320. From what I understand, they were like the Hilltop group.

Basically serfs as well.

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[akbacchus_BC]

322. No, the Hilltop people are different from the Saviours, remember!

The Saviours were the ones who took the produce from the Hilltop people.

I do not know if I can stomach what is going to happen next.

[Iris]

319. But Rick has a recipe for making bullets. n/t

[GOLGO 13]

314. The Saviors are smart TAKERS

As Jeff pointed out the Saviors don't produce, raise crops or create anything. They sustain themselves by taking half of what other groups produce. They need others to do the real work for them.

As to killing the leaders, if you do that then it will fall to the Saviors to lead all these various groups themselves. The groups would be quite problematic & openly hostile having to take orders directly from new conquers. It's far easier to convince the leaders of these groups to keep doing what they're doing but give half to the Saviors. Keeping the leaders acts as a buffer between the group & the Saviors.

That's why they only kill one from Rick's group. To set an example, but they need workers.

As for the guns, it might make sense to take the guns. However, in order not to allow hurt feelings to fester, they might let them keep a few weapons but not enough to stage a revolt against the new overseers. Remember, Maggie had the group hide a bunch of weapons back at Alexandria in case of another Wolf attack? This will come back to bite the Saviors later.

As for who died?

- Daryl is immensely popular and sells a metric ton of merchandise for AMC. He also has a new AMC show coming out just for him. He's cash-money $afe.

- Carl & Rick are safe from Negan's comment before the killing.

- Maggie had a big scene where she got her hair-cut to look just like her comic book counter-part. That's a lot of specific build-up just to kill her? Naaah, she is safe.

- Eugene hasn't even started cranking out bullets or done the other things that come after the war. He am smart & safe.

- Michone? See above for Daryl. She's practically immortal in TWD.

- Abraham, Glenn, Aaron, Rosita have all been killed in the comics & are therefore wildcards here.

- Sasha is not in the comics. Negan likes girls so I don't see him having Lucille kiss her.

[NewJeffCT]

315. Not sure I posted it here or elsewhere

Negan has a "harem" of women in the comics that were all somebody else's wife or girlfriend, and I would not be surprised if Abraham goes down fighting if Negan tries to make Sasha a new "wife" of his.

That said, I am leaning to Glenn, though I still think Daryl is possible. I think the Abe loss would be afterwards.

[GOLGO 13]

331. You are correct sir

Negan's "wives" are all volunteer. As long as they agree to be his "wives" they don't have to work in order to eat/protection/etc. However, they must remain faithful to him or the consequences are quite "ugly" indeed.

[ok_cpu]

318. You make some great points

Thanks. Just proves that I'd never make it as an evil genius in the zombie apocalypse.

[Baclava]

323. If I was Negan, I'd definitely kill Rick - he's the leader - he's the most dangerous...

...the rest will fall in line after he's done with, they go home and work and give us half their stuff (including any women we want)

simple, really

[NewJeffCT]

324. I might have done that as well

but, as I saw on another website, the Saviors aren't really the governing types - they leave Gregory in place at Hilltop to keep things running smoothly. They cowed him into submission by killing a young man from Hilltop. The same with Alexandria - they kill somebody close to Rick and cow him into submission, and hopefully everything runs smoothly there.

[Baclava]

325. or that... or maybe I'd keep Carl as insurance to keep Rick in line

there are certainly other options than the comic book storyline

[NewJeffCT]

326. good point

since they've fallen into kind of a Dark Ages, he could do they did back then - keep a son or daughter or relative of the various leaders close by as insurance.

[Baclava]

327. I'm really not made for getting into this evil warlord character's brain...but I try

6 months till we find out - that sucks

[Iris]

328. I think he'll be sorry if he doesn't kill Rick. n/t

[Baclava]

330. That's what Shane says....but Abraham will probably get axed...the hint was...

Zapruder film was mentioned as a spoiler....

Abraham Zapruder

[GOLGO 13]

332. I think Negan is more interested in keeping good earners/producers

He doesnt see Rick as a threat. Rick is just somebody that he has to convince/dominate to keep the goods flowing his way.

Negan is quite charismatic at getting people to see things his way. Look at the size of his group, as an example. You can tell he's done this "performance" before quite succesfully. However, Rick is absolutely something that he has never encountered ever before.

It will be a combination of Negan's hubris, Rick's iron-willed indomintability to win & inspire his people to annihilate themselves before any foe that will win the day.