Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" (spoiler alert - season finale)

[NewJeffCT]

REMINDER – The episode will be 69 minutes long, so the longest in show history. Set your DVRs accordingly.

In the Season 6 finale, Tyrion counsels Daenerys on the upcoming campaign; Jon and Sansa discuss their future; and trials begin in King's Landing.

[NewJeffCT]

1. some articles from recent days

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/what-time-game-thrones-season-8236081

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/24/brexit-game-thrones

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-game-of-thrones-finale-season-6-preview-20160624-column.html


http://www.gq.com/story/the-best-and-craziest-game-of-thrones-fan-theories

[NewJeffCT]

2. GIF recap of the last episode

https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/23/game-of-thrones-gif-recap-battle-of-the-bastards-episode-609/

[NewJeffCT]

3. 10 hours to go - my predicted deaths

should be fun. I have no knowledge of spoilers

1) Tommen
2) Margaery
3) The High Sparrow
4) Melisandre
5) Walder Frey

I think Cersei is going to burn down the Sept of Baelor thinking to catch the High Sparrow and/or Margaery there, but Tommen will also get it in the fire.

Jon will execute Melisandre after Davos tells him what happened to Shireen.

Frey will be killed by either another Frey, or maybe Arya's surprise return to Westeros and The Twins

[WolverineDG]

4. I can see

Tommen dying, but not Margaery. They've done quite a lot of building up House Tyrell.

High Sparrow--yes please, along with all his other religious fanatics.

Not so sure about Melisandre, but a wiping out of the Freys would be most welcome in this House.

[NewJeffCT]

5. True on Margaery

they gave Robb Stark more screen time than "page" time he got in the books - so, it would make Robb's death even more painful in the show.

[WolverineDG]

7. Don't forget one of Margaery's first lines

I think it's even in the books:

I don't want to be a queen. I want to be THE Queen.

Her refusal to sleep with Tommen = she suspects he will die soon, probably in the upcoming battle between Cersei & the Faith & doesn't want any Baratheon heirs lying around. She's hoping the Lannisters wipe themselves out, leaving House Tyrell with the strongest army & thus claim to the Iron Throne. Since she's already in King's Landing, well....

[NewJeffCT]

8. Yes, I remember

and, Cersei would supposedly lose out to somebody that was younger & more beautiful - but, that could be Margaery, Sansa or Daeneyrs.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Nice info.

Great exchange.

[NewJeffCT]

14. yes

forgot if she would get killed, or just defeated?

[WolverineDG]

162. Well

shit.

4 out 5 ain't too shabby.

[NewJeffCT]

164. I missed Loras and Mace Tyrell

and, I think Kevan Lannister

[WolverineDG]

166. At least

Cersei got all those fanatics.

RIP House Tyrell.

[NewJeffCT]

6. a few more articles

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-jon-snows-mother-906108

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2016/06/26/game-of-thrones-season-finale-sansa-starks-revenge-roared-through-twitter/#1906301a36bd

http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-6x10-winds-winter-474213

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Thank you for the reminder of length

I just this minute ago realized this is the last episode..seemed to go by in a flash.
damn.

[NewJeffCT]

12. yes

they go by too quickly

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Watching last week's episode again.

I just want to yell at poor Rickon:

https://m.

[jonno99]

52. Yes, I kept shouting "why is he running in a straight line?!!". Evening Lightning McQueen

knew better...

[Solly Mack]

13. 1 minute to go

[NewJeffCT]

15. dracarys!

I wonder if we'll get that tonight.

[Solly Mack]

17. Maybe

[Solly Mack]

16. Let the dying begin

[FarPoint]

18. I'm ready!!!!!

So much closure anticipated....

[Solly Mack]

19. Varys' birds will do what they did in the book.

Cersei becomes the Mad Queen.

Freys will die.

Tommen dies.

Or not.

And Arya checks someone off her list.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. Wonder if Arya gets to have a reunion with the Mountain?

I'm guessing they can be friends again.

[Solly Mack]

22. You mean the Hound?

[Baitball Blogger]

29. Oops. Yes.

[Solly Mack]

35. I wonder how she would react to seeing him again?

Does she still want him dead? or will the other part of her win out?

[WolverineDG]

163. She took him off her list. nt

[Solly Mack]

175. Yeah, I know. Still, she might be tempted.

[NewJeffCT]

20. Stark banner and the Battle of the Bastards

was before they did the "previously on"

[Solly Mack]

23. Dressing for death.

[NewJeffCT]

25. Interesting

that they're starting with the trials.

[Solly Mack]

26. It is. Maybe there will be a twist?

[Solly Mack]

24. I want those religious fanatics to die.

[NewJeffCT]

30. I hope so as well

but, I have a feeling some will survive

[Solly Mack]

32. Unfortunately

[Baitball Blogger]

27. Omigod, Brighthouse. Getting major interference.

Bad reception. Can barely tell what people are saying.

[Baitball Blogger]

36. Thank God I can see it on the Spanish channel.

[Solly Mack]

28. A little birdie :)

[NewJeffCT]

33. That's what I was thinking

is that one of Vary's little birds.

[Solly Mack]

37. Hopefully. He should be back by now.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Looks like

it was Qyburn's little bird

[Solly Mack]

48. Yep. Switched it. Lancel dies too.

[Solly Mack]

31. Poor Loras Tyrell

Course, it could be part of the plan to save his life. Or not.

[NewJeffCT]

34. I'm not sure

where this is going

[Solly Mack]

39. Yikes! They've cut him! I think there is a plan to save him....maybe not from a fire though.

[NewJeffCT]

44. Does he really want to be

a religious warrior?

[Baitball Blogger]

38. Si, definitivamente.

[Solly Mack]

41. Brutal

[NewJeffCT]

40. The Mountain stopping Tommen from leaving

to protect him from the coming explosion?

[Solly Mack]

43. Probably...more little birdies.

[Baitball Blogger]

42. La reina madre is up to something.

I'm just sayin'.

Margery wasn't expecting her hermano to get mutilated.

[Solly Mack]

45. Nope. She sure wasn't. I agree...something is up.

[Baitball Blogger]

55. Margery is smart as hell.

She is brutally clear in Spanish.

[Solly Mack]

46. So...the birdies will do it...just not for Varys.

[NewJeffCT]

50. and Lancel gets it as well

or, does he?

[Solly Mack]

54. He's crippled at least

[Solly Mack]

49. 2 down. How many more to go?

[Baitball Blogger]

51. Major Kill No. One.

The orphans kill the lecher AND the right hand man of the Sparrow.

Love the piano score. Soft and brutal key strokes followed by the cello.

[Solly Mack]

53. Margaery is finally getting it

[Baitball Blogger]

57. Yup.

Tenemos que salir de aqui. AHORA!

[Solly Mack]

56. Listen to Margaery people

[Solly Mack]

58. Goodbye Tyrell Family

[NewJeffCT]

63. Olenna is still alive?

right

[Solly Mack]

64. Yes, she left.

and she will be broken....or very very vengeful.

[NewJeffCT]

68. and

she can't really continue the line, unless she can adopt

[WolverineDG]

169. I think there's a cadet line in High Garden

at least there is in the books.

[NewJeffCT]

170. In the books

there is also Garlan Tyrell and Wyllas as well.

[Baitball Blogger]

59. Adios Casa Tyrell!

[Solly Mack]

60. and the Sparrows

and a big portion of the city

[Baitball Blogger]

65. That green flame looked like a special effects from Ghost busters.

[Solly Mack]

61. Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I hate Cersei but good on her! (for her captive)

[Baitball Blogger]

62. Ha! ha! Cersei is waterboarding the monja with wine.

[FarPoint]

66. I was just going to say that.

Because it feels good....

[Baitball Blogger]

70. Omigod!

She is giving the monja to the Mountain.

[FarPoint]

79. We all know how that plan works out...

Ohhhhhh...my.....

[Solly Mack]

67. Cersei, the Mad Queen.

[Solly Mack]

69. Oh, that's just wrong.

[Baitball Blogger]

72. I know. I didn't have to see anything to know that was about as wrong could get.

[Solly Mack]

71. I want Cersei to die a very brutal death.

[Baitball Blogger]

73. Tommen is no longer in the building.

[Solly Mack]

75. LMAO

[herding cats]

119. Behind. Just saw that. It's over.

Wow. That was a surprise!

[WolverineDG]

168. Now THAT was unexpected

although I knew Tommen was a goner anyway. Just never thought he'd take a leap out a window.

[Godhumor]

182. Well, hey, the city is called King's Landing n/t

[GaYellowDawg]

193. ROTFLOL!!!

You are AWESOME!!!

[Solly Mack]

74. LMAO. Tommen fall down.

[NewJeffCT]

76. holy shit

Tommen jumped

[Baitball Blogger]

156. Wrong place for a pratt fall.

[Solly Mack]

77. Another Red wedding?

[Solly Mack]

78. Never - ever - go to a wedding at the Frey House.

[Solly Mack]

80. So, Blackfish is dead? A death behind the scene that is only remarked upon.

[Baitball Blogger]

82. I think he deserved better, but I understand why they did that.

[Solly Mack]

81. All 3 of her kids are dead, so now Cersei can die.

[Baitball Blogger]

83. Not a tear for Tommen.

She knew it was going to happen eventually.

[Solly Mack]

86. She thought him weak and she was angry at him.

And she expected it as well.

[Solly Mack]

84. So, who gets to rule? Cersei will say she does, of course.

[Baitball Blogger]

88. 9/10ths of the law and all that.

[NewJeffCT]

93. if she has a male heir

she would rule until the heir came of age. She's young enough where she can remarry and have kids?

[Solly Mack]

97. Cersei isn't likely to tolerate a husband is she?

[cemaphonic]

192. actually, with the main Baratheon

line exterminated, Dany probably has the closest thing to a legal claim to the throne. Cersei as Queen and Queen mother has no legitimate claim by Westerosi succession laws, so it's a straight-up usurpation. She clearly holds what remains of the levers of power in the capitol, but how she expects to hold it from a Dorne/Tyrell/Greyjoy/Daenerys alliance is, well, lets just say that thinking past the immediate crisis isn't one of Cersei's strong points.

[Solly Mack]

205. The question wasn't meant to be serious. It was a poke at Cersei.

She has been aiming for that role for a long time now. It was expected that she claim the throne at season's end - in some manner.

Cersei's job is to make the people truly miserable - leave them clamoring for a savior. Well, in the books anyway.

There is no way she can hold off the tide coming.

[Baitball Blogger]

85. Sam's boy looks like a hobbit.

[Solly Mack]

87. I like hobbits

[Baitball Blogger]

90. So do I.

[Solly Mack]

89. That's an odd looking nose

[NewJeffCT]

91. white ravens flying from the Citadel

means winter has arrived

[Solly Mack]

98. Yep

[Yavin4]

101. Does that mean book 6 is coming out? n/t

[Baitball Blogger]

106. Good catch.

[Baitball Blogger]

108. The Spanish channel must be behind.

Sansa just said it. Un cuervo blanco. El envierno esta aqui.

[Yavin4]

92. Does Sam have to take out student loans from the Iron Bank? n/t

[Solly Mack]

94. Another loose end to tie up.

[NewJeffCT]

95. Davos getting Melisandre to confess

that she burned Shireen at the stake

[charlie and algernon]

96. I want to go to that Library

And I want to hear soaring string music every time I enter, lol

[Baitball Blogger]

102. That is what I imagine the entrance to heaven will look like.

Except that all the information on those books will magically get absorbed by your brain.

[Yavin4]

104. With my luck, I'd break my glasses.

It's not fair. It's not fair.

[dixiegrrrrl]

183. That was my thought too!

Damn you, Rod Sterling......that show burns in our mind after all these decades,

[Baitball Blogger]

99. "Yo no menti. Me equivoque."

Now, how many times have we heard that before?

[Solly Mack]

100. Sending her south wasn't that bad.

[Baitball Blogger]

103. I don't think we have seen the last of her.

[Solly Mack]

107. I agree

[NewJeffCT]

109. She's be like Ser Jorah is for Dany

showing up to save the day.

[Solly Mack]

111. Maybe

[Solly Mack]

105. Don't trust Sansa. Seriously - don't trust her no matter what she says.

[Baitball Blogger]

114. She already got her vengeance.

Except for Little Finger, what other hidden agenda does she have?

[Solly Mack]

116. Don't know. Don't care. Not a fan and I don't trust her.

Maybe if she proves herself enough I'll change my mind.

[Baitball Blogger]

130. Hmm...she might be playing with little finger.

She is acting vulnerable to him. Though, I hope it's just an act.

[yellowdogintexas]

247. Personally I think Sansa is playing a long con on LF

I can imagine just how far she wants him to fall and that she wants him to land on the sharpest rocks in Westeros. To do this right though she is probably going to have to mislead Jon.

Hopefully Arya gets to Winterfell soon.

[Solly Mack]

110. Winter is here and death is upon us all.

[Solly Mack]

112. Olenna!

[Solly Mack]

113. Varys! OMG I did NOT see that coming!

But it makes sense.

[Baitball Blogger]

115. Any alliance with the sand snakes is doomed to fail, don't you think?

Too much venom there.

[Solly Mack]

118. Varys isn't dumb, so any plan that involves him has a good chance of going well.

House Martell and the Targaryens are allies - even with the murder of the male heirs.

So, we'll see.

Olenna is smart too.

[NewJeffCT]

117. That will be a powerful group

Tyrells, Martells and Daenerys with the Dothraki, dragons and the Unsullied.

[Solly Mack]

120. I agree. From the south and the north ....a lot of anger at the Lannisters.

[yellowdogintexas]

248. The North is going to be busy for a while with the White Walkers

Recruiting all the Valerian Steel and Dragonglass they can find.

[NewJeffCT]

121. Dany dumps Daario

or, tells him to stay behind.

Tyrion has been criminally underutilized this season.

[Solly Mack]

123. I agree. He has been.

[Solly Mack]

122. Hand of the Queen

Moving right along...

[Solly Mack]

124. Bird or Arya?

[Solly Mack]

125. LMAO! Yes!!! The Manderly pie

[Solly Mack]

126. Yes!!!!!!!!!!! I am beyond happy!!!!

[Baitball Blogger]

127. Arya is in the house!

Okay, so give me the reason she picked that house first.

[FarPoint]

129. Job well done!!!

She ROCKS.

[NewJeffCT]

132. The Twins

are pretty centrally located - so, she can go North to Jon & Sansa, or south to take vengeance on Cersei.

[dixiegrrrrl]

185. Red wedding, methinks.

What a great expression of perfect pleasure she has in that shot at the end.

[NewJeffCT]

128. Yes! We get the Frey Pie!!!!!!!

Great entrance for Arya

[Solly Mack]

131. Gross. Yuck. Sick. Blech. Gag.

[Baitball Blogger]

135. Sansa does have something up her sleeve.

[Baitball Blogger]

148. We're going full circle.

Cersei is about to sit on the throne. I bet she derives no pleasure out of it.

[Solly Mack]

133. Kill Littlefinger. Just kill the fucker.

[Solly Mack]

134. Benjen ..another loose end to tie up

[NewJeffCT]

136. and, now we get the wrap up of the Tower of Joy

I'm guessing.

[Solly Mack]

138. I hope

[Solly Mack]

137. So, where to go? Winterfell? Or remain at Castle Black?

[Solly Mack]

139. and so it ends :)

[Solly Mack]

140. Just one! Yes!!!!!

[NewJeffCT]

141. Lyanna Mormont kicks ass

what a bad ass 10 year old

[Baitball Blogger]

143. And she speaks fluent Spanish.

[Solly Mack]

146. LMAO! You're a hoot! Love it!!

[Baitball Blogger]

142. Women are rallying the troops.

Lady Mormont is a great speaker. Jon Snow is el Lobo Blanco! El Rey en el norte!

[NewJeffCT]

147. she really commanded the room

there.

[Solly Mack]

144. Yes!!!!! Lady Mormont is awesome.

HA!!!! There's a new King and his name is Targaryen!

[Solly Mack]

145. Littlefinger won't take that too kindly

[Baitball Blogger]

152. What? Specifically?

[Solly Mack]

153. The new King of the North

Sansa was smiling but Littlefinger wasn't...Sansa saw and stopped smiling...because she knows Littlefinger and Littlefinger is a piece of shit scumbag bloatfish gibberbutt.

[Baitball Blogger]

154. I was wondering about Sansa's expression when the hall clamored for Jon.

I know she wasn't crazy about Little Finger as her king, but, who then?

[Solly Mack]

158. I don't know what Sansa really wants. Like I said, I don't trust her.

Though I trust her more than I do Littlefinger.

I'm sure Sansa wants position enough to not ever be married off again or held hostage again.

[Baitball Blogger]

180. I do like Sansa, and I don't see her turning into Lady Stoneheart

as the buzz is on the internet. But I do fear that she might find herself pregnant and might prefer to off herself rather than allow a Bolton heir to challenge Jon's claim.

[Solly Mack]

181. Never crossed my mind to think she would.

Moon Tea would take care of any fetus. Not worried about that either. She knows how to rid herself of a fetus.

[DemonGoddess]

187. In the books

Lady Stoneheart is her mother, Catelyn.

I think with Arya's return, the death of the Freys at her hand, and Sansa in Winterfell, that with Jon as King in the North, there still needs to be a Lord or Lady of Winterfell, of STARK blood. Sansa, as the eldest girl, fills that role. Arya, also being a Tully through her mother, would be logical to take over the reins at Riverrun. Her wolf is still at large in that area, as well.

Also, because of the Ice Queen from 1000 years before, I don't think the North would have ACCEPTED a Queen regnant, but a Lady of a major house is fine.

[WolverineDG]

171. But Littlefinger has nowhere to go now

The Lannisters are essentially standing alone now. The Freys, their only ally left, are less than useless.

High Garden & Dorne are joining forces with Dany. The North Remembers & are rallying behind Jon.

That leaves the Knights of the Vale with who, exactly? The Greyjoys?

[Solly Mack]

173. Doesn't mean Littlefinger won't try to turn people against Jon.

The last thing Littlefinger wants is another male Stark (half, at least) in charge. Littlefinger hates the Starks. Always has. Now, he does lust after Tully women and he does see the mother in Sansa.

[herding cats]

184. I wonder if Sansa, as a Stark

Realizes Winter is here, and knows Jon won't be there to "rule" for long before he has to battle the White Walkers? They're Starks after all. This is what they were raised to expect eventually.

She's going to have to up her game if their lineage will survive this up coming assault.

[Solly Mack]

186. She knows winter has come and Jon has told people what that means

but how much of that people really believe, I don't know.

She knows Jon and the others will ride to meet the threat.

She may or may not allow Littlefinger to poison her new found thinking about Jon.

[DemonGoddess]

188. I think she's playing Littlefinger n/t

[Baitball Blogger]

202. I agree with you. She is going to earn Solly Mack's respect.

[Solly Mack]

204. I hope so

[WolverineDG]

206. Then Littlefinger is an idiot

If Jon rallies the north as its king, then his sister would have his support & that would go with anyone she married.

So he'd still have the support of the North even though Sansa is not the "head" Stark.

[Solly Mack]

212. Oh, I agree. But he's a mean idiot who isn't above petty acts of revenge.

And he hates Stark men. All of them. He wouldn't like Arya either, for that matter. But since he is a weasel and good at it, he can cause trouble.

Littlefinger has hated the Starks since Brandon Stark was engaged to Catelyn back in the day (before Eddard married her). Brandon bested Littlefinger in a duel, an obvious outcome to all but Littlefinger.

Littlefinger tends to hate all nobility because he comes from such a minor house no one thought him good enough for their own Houses. You probably know all that though. Sorry.

[hibbing]

215. I can't follow this show at all, but I do know I can't stand the littlefinger!

He's such a smarmy ahole.

Peace

[FarPoint]

167. The other Houses pushed the issue.. after Lady Mormont shamed them.

Jon as King of the North... Little Finger can't actually blame Sansa....she didn't argue the issue but then, neither did Little Finger.

[Solly Mack]

172. He doesn't need to blame her to take it out on her.

Littlefinger is all about Littlefinger. He could still do harm to Sansa while making it seem it was other people doing it.

[FarPoint]

176. I think Sansa knows just that....

She will probably outsmart him....

[Solly Mack]

178. I hope so. I really do.

[Solly Mack]

149. Gonna be the war of the women

[Baitball Blogger]

150. We're going full circle.

Cersei is about to sit on the throne. I bet she derives no pleasure out of it.

I was right. She does not look happy.

[scarletlib]

165. Honestly, I think she is where she really always wanted to be.

Children be damned. In her heart of hearts she has always thought the crown should be hers.

[Solly Mack]

174. I agree

[Baitball Blogger]

151. Oh! I love that dragon ship!

[NewJeffCT]

155. EW post show article

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/26/game-thrones-jon-snow-mother

[AuntPatsy]

157. Amazing finale!!!

[Yavin4]

159. Okay. How is Varys on the ship?

He was just in Dorne.

[Solly Mack]

160. We don't know the time-line. But from it we can know there's a major alliance

to end the Lannisters and take the Iron Throne.

[FarPoint]

161. Exactly...and Pod and Brienne are still rowing????

Jamie makes back to King's Landing....Pod and Brienne... apparently still rowing...

[NewJeffCT]

209. maybe they'll catch up to Gendry soon?

[FarPoint]

230. Exactly what I was giggling about to myself.

Not sure we're they all will fit in Season 7.

[DemonGoddess]

189. There are Dornish ships in that fleet as well

He got to the ship with the Dornish fleet.

[Yavin4]

200. Why would the Dornish fleet sail all the way to Mireen just to sail back to Westeros?

Why not meet the Mireen fleet in Dorne?

[WolverineDG]

207. Maybe to help get all the Dothraki over

Tyrion said they barely had enough ships with the combined Masters' & Greyjoys' fleets.

[DemonGoddess]

221. When we see the fleet at the end

with Varys on the ship, we don't know where exactly in the sea they are, as they only show a zillion ships on open water. So for all we know, the Dornish fleet didn't sail very far to meet up with the fleet that came from the Iron Isles with Theon and his sister.

[NewJeffCT]

235. Would have been nice if they could have given an indication of how much time had passed

for Olenna Tyrell to go from King's Landing to Highgarden, get news of her family getting blown up, and then traveling to Dorne had to be at least a few months.

The same with Yara and Theon leaving the Iron Islands, sailing to Meereen, meeting up with Dany, and then sailing back to meet up with the Dornish.

Not to mention Arya leaving Braavos, sailing to where King's Landing and then traveling to The Twins? Or, to the Eyrie and then traveling to the Twins, or sailing even further and getting close to The Twins as possible?

[DemonGoddess]

236. I think they assume that we all know a fair bit of time has passed

given that everything is either on foot, horseback, or by ship.

[riderinthestorm]

237. This reassures me since it's been months, that means Sansa isn't pregnant

Or that would be apparent now.

Phew!

[FarPoint]

177. I think the Red Woman will meet up with Arya.

Season 7.....When Arya first met, Red Woman said, "We will meet again"....

[Solly Mack]

179. Just wanted to say I adore Arya.

[Kablooie]

190. So Jon Snow is really Jon Targaryen.

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And we learn that 'Snow' is not really his name just as it starts to snow.

Is that fitting or disappointing? I can't figure out which.

[BainsBane]

198. a Targaryen or a Baratheon?

[Kablooie]

203. Rhaegar Targaryen is his father.

Dany's brother.
Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister, is his mother.
She was supposed to marry Baratheon but was raped and died before the wedding.

[WolverineDG]

208. Or eloped

Why else would Ser Dane be left behind guarding the Tower of Joy?

[Kablooie]

211. Yes possibly. Details are left to be discovered.

If they eloped and were married than John Snow isn't a bastard after all.
This makes John Snow the fully entitled heir to the throne and works better for the story so you're probably right.

Dany is the result of an incestuous marriage between her father and her aunt so though she's an heir I don't know if she would be considered the primary over John Snow.

[NewJeffCT]

217. I'm no expect on Medieval rites of ascension

But, I think any legitimate children that Rhaegar, the oldest son of Aerys, has would have a greater claim to the throne than the younger children of Aerys.

[Kablooie]

222. There you go. Dany is likely to have an unwanted comeuppance before the end of the show.

Since John inherited the Targaryen genes he will certainly have dragon skills as well.

[NewJeffCT]

223. well, it also depends

if Jon was fathered out of wedlock, then he's a Targaryen bastard instead of a Stark bastard. However, if Rhaegar and Lyanna eloped and got married, it would make Jon a legitimate heir. (I think the Targs would sometimes allow a Targ to marry more than one person at once...)

[Kablooie]

225. Thinking as a writer it makes a much more interesting and dramatic situation if Jon is legitimate.

And since this isn't real life but a well told story I would be surprised if they allowed him to remain an illegitimate bastard after setting everything up so perfectly for a showdown between Dany and Jon.

[BainsBane]

233. Could have definitely used dragons in the Battle of the Bastards. nt

[PoliticAverse]

226. The rite of ascension in Westeros is very simple: might makes rite. n/t

[BainsBane]

232. Why isn't Jon blonde then?

All the Targaryen's have light blonde hair.

[NewJeffCT]

234. On the show

we've only seen blonde Targaryens. However, there are Targaryens in the books that have had black or brown hair - Aegor Rivers, aka Bittersteel - is probably the best known



Baelor "Breakspear" Targaryen was in the Hedge Knight series of short stories.


Here are the knowns Targaryens without silver gold hair:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/29yiwa/spoilers_all_targaryens_without_silvergold/

[yellowdogintexas]

249. because, as Jon Arryn said in the very first book/episode : Dark is strong in the Baratheon Line

Well Dark is also strong in the Stark line. Robb and Jon and Bran have black hair; so did Lyanna. In genetics, dark will overpower blonde or red; Blondes can hide the red hair gene but not the reverse

Assuming Lyanna sent a dark gene it is going to dominate the hair color. If she carried a recessive blonde gene and it surfaced in that baby, Jon would be blonde. A clue perhaps to Catlyn that Jon was quite possible not Ned's actual son.

Same thing with brown eyes over blue. Two brown eyed dark haired parents can have children with blonde or red hair and blue or green eyes. Blue eyed people can only have kids with blue eyes.

[BainsBane]

250. I know that about genetics

but I recall something in the first season about the Targaryean's always being blonde. I didn't expect GoT to adhere to genetic science.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

210. Question. Was she stabbed in that scene or was it a bad birth complication?

If stabbed, by whom?

Where this guys Ned killed on their way out from stabbing her?

[Kablooie]

213. There was no identification of an attacker and the blood was mainly below the waist...

so I would think it was a birth complication.

[Solly Mack]

216. The King's Guard would not have stayed behind for anything less than an heir.

They would not have fought even Ned to the death for anything less than a legal heir. I'm sure they had already received word that the other Targaryen heirs had been murdered. A raven would have reached them before Ned did, and they were not without other loyalists to inform them) They had no reason to think Jon was in any less danger...even from Lyanna's brother. He did fight against the Targaryens after all. Not for the throne, but for his father, brother, and sister. As far as everyone knew, Lyanna was kidnapped. But Lyanna once told Ned she did not want to marry Robert because he would never remain true and she could never be happy with him.

Ser Arthur Dayne, The Sword of the Morning, was honorable. He was who Ned fought - the man with the 2 swords. It is a safe bet that Lyanna went willingly with Rhaegar and that the two were married. Jon is the surviving legal and legitimate heir of Rhaegar Targaryen. Maybe not the only one - depending on if Aegon is the once thought murdered Aegon Targaryen and not Aegon Dayne Stark. (from the books and not the show)...but since he hasn't made an appearance on the show, I think we can conclude he isn't a Targaryen and/or his birth, either way, doesn't make a difference on how the end plays out.

Lyanna Stark (Targaryen) died from complications due to giving birth to Jon.

The King's Guard did not stab her. They would not have done so.

Now, we don't know for a fact (yet) that they were married but I think it a safe bet. Considering who stayed behind to protect her and Jon (Dayne, Hightower, and Whent)

Targaryens had no problem with having multiple wives. They did it all the time. They also married their sisters and brothers.

Even if Rhaegar had bade them to stay, they are the King's Guard and loyalists - their place was with the King (which Rhaegar was at the time of his father's death) - only a true heir would have kept them in place.


But, we'll see.

[WolverineDG]

224. not sure of the timing

but were all of Rhaegar's other children dead by the time Jon was born? Because that would add an extra impetus for having Kingsguard protecting the Tower of Joy.

[Solly Mack]

228. The other two died before Ned arrived and Jon was newly born when Ned reached the Tower.

Ned broke with Robert over the murder of the Targaryen children. He rode South to finish the war - and to find his sister. Lyanna died from complications due to child birth. So, Jon was born after Ned left King's landing, making his birth after the murders of his siblings.

They knew their King was dead, so the chances are very good the loyalists also knew the other heirs were dead.

[Islandurp]

191. 6 seasons in and episode 9 and 10 are my favorites of the series.

What an amazing show.

[NewJeffCT]

194. It's been a great ride

but, season 6 was almost too much of a "feel good" season - major bad guys like Roose Bolton, Ramsay, Walder Frey, the Dothraki Khals and Wise Masters, and The Waif all perished. Jon Snow and The Hound came back. The North is once again united, Dany united Meereen with the Unsullied, Dothraki and Ironborn, and possibly the Tyrells and Martells via Varys.

[Xyzse]

197. Getting Ready for the Game of the Walking Dead of Thrones

Ummm, that sounds and typed awkward.

[Oneironaut]

220. That just means everything will go horribly wrong next season

I agree it all seems too perfect. GoT has a way of fixing that.

[BainsBane]

199. 9 was awesome

10 seemed a big anticlimactic in comparison.

[NewJeffCT]

195. supposedly revealed via close captioning

Lyanna whispered to young Ned, "Robert will kill him if he knows."

[Hassin Bin Sober]

196. Yes. I watched it again on my HBO app last night with cc turned on.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

201. Ahh. You hear "ki.. hi"but it's not printed. Close enough I think.

[Solly Mack]

214. Ned knew it to be true too. He broke with Robert over the murder of the Targaryen children.

But you know that.

[Xithras]

229. Hiding Jon's identity was as much about protecting the kingdom as it was about protecting Jon.

Ned Stark was a man of honor, and by his honor codes you go to war when someone kills your family (he went to war when the Targaryens after they killed his father and brother). If Robert Baratheon had known about Jon, he would have demanded that the baby be killed...and even if Robert had wavered due to his friendship, Cirsei and the Lannisters wouldn't have allowed him to be weak when their claim to the throne was being put at risk. Because Ned would have never handed a noble born blood-Stark over to the Iron Throne for execution, the inevitable result would have been a war between the Iron Throne and the North. To make things worse, many houses supported the Targaryens right up until Kings Landing fell and it looked like the family had been exterminated. The existence of a new heir might have caused those houses to rise again against Robert in aid to the north, throwing the entire kingdom into yet another war.

While Ned certainly wasn't pleased with the murder of the Targaryen children, his decision to flee north and hide Jon's identity was an attempt to save the kingdom as much as it was to save his nephews life. I don't think it had much to do with the bloody end that the other Targaryen children were subjected to.

[Solly Mack]

231. I'm talking about in the books where it says that Ned was angry with Robert over the murders

and left King's Landing to go South. Ned went South when he left King's Landing after the Sack of King's Landing. And by "broke" I mean they argued over it and Ned left in disgust.

I'm not talking about his taking Jon North and keeping quiet about it or why he did so.

From A Game of Thrones, Chapter 12

Robert was pleased with the deaths of Rhaegar's family, but Eddard thought it a brutal act, and called it murder of children. This resulted in an argument between Eddard and Robert, which led to the former riding out alone to finish the war in the south.[2]

[Aerows]

218. Finally we all know

that Jon is Rhaegor and Lyanna's son.

Most of us had figured that out eon's ago.

He is the song of Ice and Fire.

[geek tragedy]

219. Dick Cheney: why didn't I think of wineboarding? nt

[Yavin4]

227. The Sept Baelor blowed up. Blowed up real good.

[bettyellen]

238. wow that was amazing! But what did all those kids stab the old

old Man?

[BainsBane]

239. He was an enemy of Cersie.

[NewJeffCT]

240. Not sure if he was really an enemy

or, just not as strong an ally as Cersei wanted.

[BainsBane]

241. He helped kick her out of the small council

if I recall correctly.

[NewJeffCT]

242. true

forgot about that.

[NewJeffCT]

243. Jon Snow's given name at birth?

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/06/115346/jon-snow-true-name

[Kablooie]

244. Did you realize that the map in the titles isn't flat and isn't on a globe?

It's inside a bowl.

[NewJeffCT]

245. I honestly haven't paid that much attention since originally seeing it

so, I'll have to check it out again. Thanks!

[NewJeffCT]

246. GIF recap of the finale

http://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/30/game-of-thrones-gif-recap-the-winds-of-winter-episode-610/