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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 06:55 AM Aug 2016

Suicide Squad: I find the 41 metacritic score inexplicable and undeserved.

Even if someone doesn't appreciate comic book movies the movie was solidly acted, shot, and edited. The story was soft in some parts though I couldn't say in detail without 1) seeing it again and 2) revealing spoilers.

I'm totally willing to see it again and look forward to it coming out on disc, hopefully with a director's cut.

The very low score from the professional critics makes me wonder if there isn't some ideological axe-grinding going on here. They seem angry over something where no anger is warranted.

Will Smith didn't really sell it for me as Deadshot. He's a competent actor but he's more of a goofball than an intimidating, steely-eyed sociopath.

They redeemed the relationship between Joker and Harley, somewhat. In the comic books, video games and animated series he is the worst sort of abusive boyfriend. He never loves Harley, he only manipulates her love of him. In SS he is actually as codependent as she is -- as a good boyfriend ought to be!

I chortled every so often when Margot Robbie's Australian accent peeked out or she strained to hide it behind an accent from 1930's gun moll from Brooklyn.

Katana could have been an interesting character but she was very underdeveloped. They did her character a big disservice having her separate herself from the rest of the squad at the one moment they bonded together and decided to be the heroes. Perhaps they are grooming her for later appearances though I can see that falling away due to the fans' inability to grow to love her.

The costume for Enchantress was captivating! But I have to say even I can dance sexier than Cara Delevingne and that's saying something.

El Diablo brought a poignancy to the story, which I suppose is necessary. If the audience doesn't have a place to become emotionally invested in the characters lest the audience sit there like a bunch of Amanda Wallers.

Speaking of Amanda Waller. Holy crap! Sorry to be un-PC but she earned "Ruthless Bitch 2016." hands down, no contest, would the rest of the contestants please just get off the stage! Viola Davis crushed it. Tremendous actress in a powerful role.

Killer Croc and Captain Boomerang seemed to be padding the numbers to fill out the roster to make it a squad.

There were some decidedly heroic acts by normal humans, if members of the military could be considered such (and I mean that affectionately). While the metahumans are running around doing their thing the film depicted many acts of selfless service and self-sacrifice by the military, which is what they do. The movie would have been much, much stronger if it had given that aspect a bit more recognition ala Battle: LA.

So, while most of what I wrote may seem like a detraction the movie was fun. Which is what a movie -- especially a comic book movie -- ought to be. I enjoyed the fight scenes. Harley stole many scenes -- which is what everyone wanted. You wanted the squad to win. You even felt cheated knowing they wouldn't be released even though you also know they're the worst of the worst and for me that was the clincher.

Oh, and: Best soundtrack in a long time and I think the editors really enjoyed their work, especially in the first act.


(135,425 posts)
1. Caveat: I know nothing about this topic, don't particularly like those types of films, either.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 07:17 AM
Aug 2016

However, I was watching TV and saw someone discuss the very bias you are referencing.

They said the complaint had to do w/fans of DC vs. Marvel and the 'ideological divide' is major, and that the gripes about this movie may be helped along by something akin to astroturf.

Sorry I can't be more specific, truth to tell I was listening with half an ear!

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,546 posts)
7. There may be something to the 'ideological divide'
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:26 AM
Aug 2016

For me, I just have a limit to how seriously I can take DC characters. As someone who originally got into it seriously during the so-called silver age, Marvel characters were more multi-dimensional. They had problems and flaws that made them relevant to me. DC's characters were flat and seemed to be targeting a younger, less sophisticated audience. They seemed stuck in their Adam West/George Reeves renderings. At some point they began to emulate Marvel's approach but I still couldn't think of them as anything but 'kids' comics.' Now that Marvel's MCU has taken superhero movies to a new level, here comes me-too DC again...


(135,425 posts)
9. LOL--last time I really got into that stuff, it was George Reeves on the TV, with
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 10:52 AM
Aug 2016

that goofy Jimmy Olsen and Noelle somebody as Lois Lane! By the time Adam West came along, it was purely for laughs but I really enjoyed that show, too!

As I said, I'm no expert!! But I think you have hit upon something--what I "liked" about those superhero shows was their immature, silly, play-it-for-laughs aspect!



(37,748 posts)
2. The Waller character was chilling.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:21 AM
Aug 2016

The Waller character was chilling. "They weren't cleared to see this..."


(56,817 posts)
3. The Amanda Waller from Arrow/Flash on TV was ruthless as well
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:15 AM
Aug 2016

and, I thought it would be hard to top in a movie, but Viola Davis nailed it. I liked Margot Robbie, Will Smith and Joel Kinnaman as well (Rick Flag). Overall, I liked the movie, but did not love it.

Agree on Katana - she was not used well in the movie. I thought the Joker scenes were a bit disjointed as well. Also - spoilers after the text here (swipe to uncover) [font color=white]I did not really get a motivation for Capt Boomerang to come back and help out, and it felt like Killer Croc was only in there for the one scene to help the SEALs as they planted the explosive device. The guy playing El Diablo did well, but it seemed kind of cliche that former violent guy who becomes a man of peace, and then needs to be inspired again. [/font]


(12,723 posts)
5. I think the critics like good movies and are getting tired of crapfest comic book movies.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 12:13 PM
Aug 2016

I know I am sure tired of them.

Dr. Strange

(25,861 posts)
6. Mostly agree.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 12:54 PM
Aug 2016

I thought the story was weak, and I agree with your comments about Will Smith.

I love the artistic use of color in the film, very creative. And the Joker/Harley story line was a lot better than what I expected. Brilliant enough that I wonder if they could pull off a movie on their own.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
11. Here's a problem with the movie.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:07 PM
Aug 2016
Will Smith didn't really sell it for me as Deadshot. He's a competent actor but he's more of a goofball than an intimidating, steely-eyed sociopath.


(6,238 posts)
12. I enjoyed it, but wasn't sold on Joker or Harley.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:57 PM
Aug 2016

Neither felt right to me though Harley did have some really good scenes. I think my big problem with Leto was the laugh. I'm pretty sure I could do a better Joker laugh. It just sounded really forced. On the plus side, that post credits scene was great.


(2,243 posts)
13. I think we're getting at the heart of it
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:51 PM
Aug 2016

On the downside:

Will Smith brought the star power, but not the character.

Killer Croc was under utilized.

And Leto wasn't the Joker, but someone doing an homage to the Joker.

On the upside:

Viola Davis!

Margot Robbie

Music and Art!

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