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True Dough
(26,667 posts)Perhaps some of it is how you look at it. While you have undoubtedly experienced some discouraging setbacks, we can fall into a trap of believing that we're cursed and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
It may be easier said than done, but try to reflect on the things that are going well in your life. Hopefully you have your health. Remember that there are many people in the hospital with terminal illness, their days are numbered. And there are parents watching their children die of cancer and other hideous diseases.
You could live in Aleppo or have been born in sub-Saharan Africa with little to no nourishment. There are many far worse predicaments than your own. That perspective can sometimes help you realize what is truly important, and that's the basics.
Another option is to befriend someone who is also struggling in life, in an even worse situation. If you can voluntarily do a few things to help them out, you can feel good about that. You may not be able to control some of the negative things happening to you, but if you are able to assist someone else, that is within your realm of control and you can truly get a lift from philanthropy.
Best wishes.
Tobin S.
(10,420 posts)But, granted, you really don't know what's going on.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Don't sail into the wind.
Paula Sims
(913 posts)In the past 30 years it's been one thing after another for my husband and me: Rare illnesses, deaths, unemployment. I almost dare not have hope or joy because I know it's going to be crushed in a short while.
That said -- all the books, including Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, are useless unless you believe there is a higher "power". That power could be evil, good, or just random. Or you can believe things were "meant to be" which means we are powerless and no matter what we do, we are predestined for certain things.
Bottom line - it stinks <insert stronger word here>. All the platitudes in the word won't change things. You just have to think -- get through today and see what can be done tomorrow.
It's not fair - but no one promised us fair.
mnhtnbb
(33,349 posts)And it sometimes happens regularly. Sometimes it never seems to stop. Sometimes
it feels as though it is personal, but usually it isn't. Sometimes it's related to choices
we make--and don't anticipate negative consequences--but sometimes it just isn't preventable
unless you make some other kind of choice (I'm thinking along the lines of relationship, job,
etc where the bad stuff that happens seems to arise out of the relationship).
All that said, you are not alone. Sometimes the order of the world seems to be one step forward
and two steps back, or, if lucky, two steps forward and one step back.
I hope that whatever has happened will not keep you down for long and that you will find a solution.
Hang in there! And come here to blow off some steam or ask for ideas if that will help.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)of unfortunate circumstances rears its head, I'd try to see it as me being due for better luck in the future, and one Tupac quote from his "Me Against The World" song comes to mind, where he says "after every dark night is a bright day".
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,537 posts)have been wrestling with for centuries (see the Book of Job). According to the Bible God was deliberately fucking with Job, but if there is a God I don't think he works that way. Shit happens, but unfortunately it's not necessarily evenly distributed. I don't know why, but I don't think you're cursed. I have no advice except to hang in there and ask for help from friends or professionals if you need it.
We're here, too.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Shit Happens...
You can't see it coming...
We're all in this together...
A simplification I agree, but it works.
And as for Jung take it with a pinch of salt, along with karma and other types of victim blaming.
I have nothing to offer as I am in the same boat it seems and am barely afloat myself.
Sometimes the only thing that keeps me going is "Don't let the bastards win"
cwydro
(51,308 posts)So you're ahead of a lot of us in that regard.
Count your blessings!
handmade34
(24,017 posts)Donkees
(33,707 posts)with the self. The behavior of others does not diminish you.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)People around here hate me for saying this but I believe you create your own reality.
Many people create hardship for themselves as a way to test their own strength. All of life, short or long, is an opportunity to learn. To learn the power of beliefs, for example. Re-playing or 'posting' every bad choice isn't helpful; it only serves to reinforce those choices.
There is growing scientific evidence that states that you see what you expect to see. This sends science materialists into a tizzy, but all you have to do for proof is...
....change your expectations!
hunter
(40,691 posts)How a person deals with random shit is another story, but it doesn't change the incidence of random shit at all.
People who think they are special because the shit hasn't hit them are annoying. Prosperity gospel Christians are wrong. They make up stories to explain their own good fortunes. But God doesn't love them any more or less than He does the schizophrenic homeless guy standing on the corner yelling obscenities at passing cars. The Universe, Mother Nature, however you want to describe it, doesn't give a fuck about your thoughts or any goodness in your heart. That's why we all have to look out for one another, even the people we observe making "poor choices" or any other judgmental nonsense that excuses our own selfishness and inaction.
My great aunt was an anxious person; nevertheless she lived more than a century in good health with no financial problems, no illnesses, not even a head cold, ever. As a child she lived in San Francisco but she happened to be out of town with her mom visiting family the day of the great earthquake. The rest of her life was equally charmed. She outlived a few good husbands and divorced a few bad ones. Her sister, on the other hand, my grandma, similar to my great aunt in many ways and an equally anxious person, got knocked around by the universe for no reason at all. She lost a young child and the hits kept coming until she herself died of cancer.
Random shit.
I'm the most pessimistic guy you'll ever meet, pathologically so. I take powerful psych meds; without them I'm a danger to myself. I can't even begin to tell you how I've sabotaged my own life. But that's not the random shit I'm talking about.
When I first met my wife she'd just returned to work after yet-another-surgery following a brutal car accident that was not her fault. Nearly all of her medical problems since, including more recent surgeries, can be traced back to that one instant when an impaired driver ran a red light at high speed.
"Positive thinking" isn't a bad thing, but like many human beliefs, it's not a rational thing.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)" I'm the most pessimistic guy you'll ever meet, pathologically so. I take powerful psych meds; without them I'm a danger to myself."
...not because you're a bad person, but because your 'random shit falling from the sky' might fall on me. It sounds like your "expectations" are dangerous. That's fine; live your life as you wish. Your life is your own and you form it.
We all want to belong to a group that shares our values and aspirations. I have said before that this, more than "God, universe or mother nature", is what binds us together and gives our lives purpose.
In the American free-market medical industry there is a large subculture that celebrates and promotes ill health. There are those that hope to make money from affecting a cure and those that consider it "random shit falling from the sky" that they have no control over. Same with religion; you choose what you want to believe and live your life accordingly.
People love to talk about the hardships they have endured. Too often, however, they let their past become their present. They call it more 'random shit' and dig in their heels. They have never been taught to visualize and 'expect' a brighter future because you know,
"Positive thinking" isn't a bad thing, but like many human beliefs, it's not a rational thing."
Now, since we're trying to help the OP with something a little more substantive than a
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hunter
(40,691 posts)... are you the sort of person who drives past a gruesome accident, or are you the sort who stops to offer whatever help you are able?
I used to work with transplant nurses and techs, not those who had the happy job of replacing the damaged organs of living people, but those who collected the organs, and those who dealt directly with grieving families, asking their consent.
OMG, when they were alone among themselves their humor was very dark, especially working at night, come two o'clock in the morning after some gruesome accident. Their attitudes really couldn't be anything else. A "think positive" cheerfulness would have been just as inappropriate as an excessive enthusiasm for dissecting living flesh. I've seen the same sort of atmosphere among emergency room triage staff, especially those serving in rougher urban areas who deal every day with the carnage of violent crime, gunshot wounds, etc.. My sister is a paramedic and she has some very grim stories; stories that have no happy ending.
Yet, when the shit hits the fan, who are you going to call?
Over the years since I first met Tobin here on DU his thoughtful words and resiliency have helped me through some rough times. I thought of him often when I was locked up in the psych ward this year.
My hugs are very sincere.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I find that disturbing.
hunter
(40,691 posts)... and likely to run off in the middle of the night to swim with the Orcas?
For fire safety the doors will open a few seconds after you push them, but they've got really loud alarms and there's a delay until they unlock, long enough for ex-football player nursing staff to arrive on the scene and tackle anyone who tries to makes a run for it. The windows are also really hard to break. And there's video cameras everywhere but the bathrooms, even watching you sleep. If you close yourself in the bathroom for more than a few minutes someone will be along pounding on the door and asking you if you are okay.
I don't really remember the first 24 hours, maybe because I was psychotic, maybe it was the drugs they gave me.
The staff was really nice. Worst part was they limit your coffee intake to two cups in the morning. Addicts like me shared various schemes to get more coffee, but I suspect the staff was in on that; it was just another way to monitor a patient's progress. We could choose our own meals, the menus were fairly broad, but the dietitians had the ultimate authority. I was disallowed potato chips and other salty goodies because I have problems with my blood pressure. Other people were limited in calories, and there were a few among us who refused to eat.
I probably got out too soon because I have a lifetime's experience acting "normal" even when my mind's a mess. I'd already bounced out of the E.R. earlier that week.
I don't mean to hijack this thread from Tobin, so I'll stop there.
redwitch
(15,261 posts)It does seem that some people get more than their share of bad news. I feel like I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop myself. And have a few people that are very close to me to whom bad shit is always happening too. Hang in there my friend.
Phentex
(16,709 posts)I thought things were looking up. And I still think things do get better for you even after a setback. I hope this is the case this time as well. We are here for you when you want to talk about it.
Sanity Claws
(22,413 posts)I think you may have felt that way when you got your new job after being terminated from the last job. I believe you thought that the new job turned out better than if you had stayed in the old job.
This is a tough time for many people, btw.
hermetic
(9,236 posts)Many years ago when I was in the darkest despair I've ever known, you sent me a wonderful letter about how you overcame demons beyond belief, and it gave me hope. It got me through another day and I'm still here. Because of you. I have now watched you over the years grow stronger and more confidant, even as things didn't work out as you'd hoped. But you survived. And you can survive still. You have many friends right here who are now worried about you. Please talk to us. We are here for you and care about you and quite honestly, that's about the best thing there is in this life. People who care.
So please let us know you are okay and if you need help with something, ask. If you are just needing some alone time right now, that is okay, too. We all need that sometimes. But it would be really good if you just said something back right now. Don't make us send out a search party. Because we will!
Take care, friend.
hibbing
(10,598 posts)I too saw your posts where everything was looking up. I feel that way myself sometimes, it seems everyone else has it better than me. However, that is certainly not the case and I need to be more cognizant of that.
Peace
redwitch
(15,261 posts)Worried about you I am.