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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:04 PM Dec 2016

ELO, Joan Baez, Journey, Tupac, Yes, Pearl Jam & Nile Rodgers make R&RHOF Inductees List

https://www.rockhall.com/class-2017-inductions

YOUR OFFICIAL ROCK HALL CLASS OF 2017 ROSTER.

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is proud to announce that 6 artists from the ballot are included in the Performer Category and 1 individual is recognized with an Award for Musical Excellence.

YOUR CLASS OF 2017 INDUCTEES ARE:
Performer Category:

• Joan Baez

• Electric Light Orchestra

• Journey

• Pearl Jam

• Tupac Shakur

• Yes

Award for Musical Excellence:

• Nile Rodgers

The 32nd Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, presented by Klipsch Audio, will take place on Friday, April 7, 2017 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York for the third time. Ticket on-sale dates will be announced in January. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2017 Induction Ceremony will again have its television premiere on HBO, and a radio broadcast on SiriusXM. Broadcast details will be announced in early 2017.
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ELO, Joan Baez, Journey, Tupac, Yes, Pearl Jam & Nile Rodgers make R&RHOF Inductees List (Original Post) Miles Archer Dec 2016 OP
ELO! At last. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #1
The first 7 albums were non-stop genius. Miles Archer Dec 2016 #3
Kelly Groucutt, ELO'S bassist, has passed. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #4
A lot of eyes are going to be on Journey... Miles Archer Dec 2016 #6
Interesting info, thanks for posting it! JudyM Dec 2016 #14
O. M. G. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #17
I remember Turn to Stone and Mr Blue Sky. JudyM Dec 2016 #23
I was an ELO fan primarily because of the "they picked up the Beatles thing and ran with it" thing. Miles Archer Dec 2016 #19
Ok, I can see the Beatles' influence in this, fun. Love the Beatles. Saw them live when I was JudyM Dec 2016 #22
Yeah, I can see that. Miles Archer Dec 2016 #25
My pen is on fire... the masterpiece is revealed... get your wallet in hand... JudyM Dec 2016 #28
Probably their most "Beatle-y" album is Eldorado. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #27
Right, forgot about that, it is Beatley! JudyM Dec 2016 #29
Hi JudyM! Hope you like this one! FrankfurtCat Dec 2016 #31
Yeah, this got a lot of airplay, too. JudyM Dec 2016 #32
My Dad, a super conservative Viet Nam Vet, shocked me with his affinity for ELO. FrankfurtCat Dec 2016 #39
Cool, nice to be able to share music together, especially if not your political worldview. JudyM Dec 2016 #41
Velvet Revolver did a pretty nice version of this Miles Archer Dec 2016 #33
I love, love, love that song. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #37
Yep, that is definitely a second favorite from that album. Miles Archer Dec 2016 #40
The Time album (1981) was pretty good Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #16
Finally Drumron Dec 2016 #13
I can't complain about that list OriginalGeek Dec 2016 #2
Joan Baez and Tupac are rockers? panader0 Dec 2016 #5
Save for exclusion of The Moody Blues (A-f*ckin'-GAIN!).... lastlib Dec 2016 #9
The Moodies will have their day soon. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #12
Baez was great, influenced Dylan and others, doesn't have to be a "rocker" per se to be inducted, JudyM Dec 2016 #30
I think Journey sucks major-league donkey dicks. Paladin Dec 2016 #7
Music is a very personal thing. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #8
I thought I made it abundantly clear...... Paladin Dec 2016 #10
You were really ugly about Journey... Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #11
I'm with you on this, Paladin. Coventina Dec 2016 #15
Gotta love that R&R Hall Of Fame. Paladin Dec 2016 #18
I don't follow the R&R HOF very closely, but I am stunned by what you say. No Warren Zevon? Coventina Dec 2016 #20
He's never made it into the HOF, so far as I know. Paladin Dec 2016 #21
You are correct, he is not in. Just discovered Kraftwerk is not in! R&R HOF is officially Coventina Dec 2016 #24
Try not to think about it too much. Believe me, it'll drive you crazy. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #26
My major beef is UFO Miles Archer Dec 2016 #35
Some of their songs are all right.... FrankfurtCat Dec 2016 #52
Do they know about this? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #53
Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #34
Journey influenced other bands to attempt to copy the formula Miles Archer Dec 2016 #36
Extreme Was Much Heavier ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #42
Agreed, but they took a Journey detour with that one song Miles Archer Dec 2016 #43
Good One, Miles ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #45
That was Brad Gillis in Night Ranger Miles Archer Dec 2016 #48
I Have That G3 DVD ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #49
Every rapper that grew up in the 90s owes their career to him JonLP24 Dec 2016 #38
OK ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #44
Consider this JonLP24 Dec 2016 #46
Doesn't Sway Me ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #47
Well I'd never vote for Journey JonLP24 Dec 2016 #50
Now You've Ruined My Afternoon, Jon! ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #51

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
1. ELO! At last.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

I was wondering just what in the hell Jeff Lynne was going to have to do to get in there. When you've worked with Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, and The Beatles, what else is there?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
3. The first 7 albums were non-stop genius.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:15 PM
Dec 2016

After "Out of the Blue" in 1977, the albums became a little more hit and miss, but there's also Lynne's collaborative efforts, as you've said. This is a well-deserved honor that, fortunately, came in his lifetime. I'm still teed off over the fact that Deep Purple got in after Jon Lord's passing. He should have been at that podium to accept the honor.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
4. Kelly Groucutt, ELO'S bassist, has passed.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:31 PM
Dec 2016

He's the one who did the funny opera vocals on "Rockaria".

And Bev Bevan, the drummer, and Jeff haven't talked in many years. Lots of lawsuits over the ELO name, and such.

So it's going to be an interesting appearance. Well deserved, though.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
6. A lot of eyes are going to be on Journey...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Dec 2016
...Journey’s Neal Schon on Hall of Fame Reunion With Steve Perry: ‘I’m Open to Everything': Exclusive Interview

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-steve-perry-hall-of-fame-reunion/

You’ve been very open over the years to reconciliation with Steve Perry. Do you think this Hall of Fame honor can finally make that a reality?
You know, I have no clue. I definitely think that he will be there, as he should be. Musically speaking, I’d love to have him do a song with us – or two, or whatever. What would be even greater would be for him to do a song with Arnel too. I’m open to everything. I’m very open-minded to whatever happens, and any ideas that are brought forth.


Meanwhile...

Steve Howe ‘Can’t Predict’ Whether Yes Will Reunite With Former Members at Rock Hall Induction

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/yes-reunite-members-rock-hall-induction/

Much of the Yes discography is devoted to good old-fashioned peace and love — but no one feuds quite like a British band, so it’s well worth asking whether they’ll perform with former members Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin, Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford when they accept their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction next April.

It’s a question guitarist Steve Howe has obviously considered, but he doesn’t have an answer yet — at least not one he was willing to share with Rolling Stone when discussing the band’s long-awaited, recently announced induction into the Hall. “I can’t say. I don’t know and I can’t predict. It just depends on how it feels and what the communication is and what the spirit is,” he demurred. “It’s gotta be discussed and gotta be considered. Obviously it’s a consideration.”

It sounds like Bruford might be the least likely participant in a Rock Hall reunion, if only because, as Howe put it, “he hasn’t played in nine years and he’s not anticipating playing again, and I don’t see anyone pressuring him to play.” As for the others, Howe betrayed no hint of ill will; although he declined to discuss the last time he’d spoken with Anderson, he offered his blessing to the ARW project that’s recently reunited Anderson with Rabin and Wakeman — and even seemed open to the possibility of some sort of reunion tour as part of what he predicted would be a “colossal” 50th anniversary celebration in 2018.

“Even considering it, you’d have to think about how it could work in a different way,” mused Howe. “It’s nice seeing people play together, but it’s really about the mood and the willingness and the love and the sharing. It just comes down to a lot of other things, unfortunately, like business and technical. Those other parts both help and interfere and destruct.”

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
14. Interesting info, thanks for posting it!
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
Dec 2016


That said, ELO never really got through to me ... tho I never listened through any of their albums. If you feel like posting a favorite here, I'd be interested to listen to it.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
17. O. M. G.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

Where to begin? I would suggest either start with A New World Record ("Telephone Line", "Do Ya&quot or the massive splendorfest that is Out of the Blue ("Turn to Stone", "Mr. Blue Sky&quot . These are the two albums they are most noted for.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
19. I was an ELO fan primarily because of the "they picked up the Beatles thing and ran with it" thing.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:02 AM
Dec 2016

I know Jeff Lynne has a lot more going on than channeling The Beatles, but that's what pulled me in.

My favorites are the "deep album tracks"...I know all of the hits and enjoy many of them, but when you asked me for a track, the first one that comes to mind is "One Summer Dream." Enjoy.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
22. Ok, I can see the Beatles' influence in this, fun. Love the Beatles. Saw them live when I was
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:17 AM
Dec 2016

4, remember parts of it

Right after the intro, in particular, the transition sounds like "Carry that Weight," don't you think?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
25. Yeah, I can see that.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

The thing I like most about the way he uses these influences is that after Rubber Soul and Revolver, it got pretty easy to "Spot the Beatle." Many of John's songs sounded like John's. many of Paul's sounded like Paul's. But when Lynne drops a "Lennonism," it's usually given a few layers of McCartney texture, and vice-versa.

Now is as good a time as any to share a Todd Rundgren anecdote. Rundgren also dipped his cup in the Beatles well more than a few times, but he was a little more heavy-handed about it.

He slammed either The Beatles or Lennon one time in the press...don't remember which...and Lennon sent him a reply that was along the lines of "Well, you certainly got some mileage out of what we did, didn't you>"

Rundgren later did an album with Utopia called "Deface The Music," the premise being that every song was written in a deliberately Beatle-esque manner. One song in particular targeted Lennon's more "curmudgeonly" tendencies:





JudyM

(29,192 posts)
28. My pen is on fire... the masterpiece is revealed... get your wallet in hand...
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:46 AM
Dec 2016

Just wow about that.

I only had the Hello It's Me album, which impressed me because of his playing all the instruments. Talented guy, anyway.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
32. Yeah, this got a lot of airplay, too.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

I can see their appeal, FrankfurtCat, they're kind of fun. I never gave them a lot of thought because to my ear they seem poppy.

FrankfurtCat

(1,213 posts)
39. My Dad, a super conservative Viet Nam Vet, shocked me with his affinity for ELO.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

He liked their Beatles-inspired sound.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
33. Velvet Revolver did a pretty nice version of this
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:11 PM
Dec 2016

A faithful cover, for the most part, except Slash turns up the guitars a little louder.

My favorite Eldorado song is "Laredo Tornado"..."What can you do, when your dreamworld is gone, and your friends and lovers too?" If there is a single lyric that illustrates just how clearly Lynne understands the Fab Four, it's that one.





Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
40. Yep, that is definitely a second favorite from that album.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 01:16 PM
Dec 2016

That's the ELO sound I go for.

On the second album, "Roll Over Beethoven" got the airplay, but "Mama" was my favorite.

Very "Eleanor Rigby" in its lyrical stance.

She came up from the country with a smile for everyone
She left her blue horizon just to find another home
A lonely girl who'd traveled many days
A lonely heart that could not find the way

And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Momma, it's a sad and lonely life

A misty morning rider, she came wanderin' through the hills
A wanderin' soul appearin' over rainy window sills
A loser in her heart but in her face
A smile for everyone under God's grace

And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Momma, it's a sad and lonely life

And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear

Midnight maiden madness, what to search for in this place'
Gateway to the city, night sky shadows on her face
A lady lost in nowhere but her stare
Leaves the world, her life to start somewhere

And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near

Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near



Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
16. The Time album (1981) was pretty good
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:53 AM
Dec 2016

Enough so that other artists are still sampling stuff from it. Daft Punk are fans.

A lot of people were turned off by how ELO had fallen away from their "orchestral" trappings, but sonically, that album was still amazing, and Mr. Lynne was still firing on all creative cylinders. I think he finally started to hate the whole thing after that.

 

Drumron

(21 posts)
13. Finally
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:26 AM
Dec 2016

ELO was always underrated,,,, they belonged in there long ago...... now Toothpick Shaker doesn't belong in the ROCK AND ROOL HALL OF FAME... I say this as a rock musician of over 30 years and nothing toothpick did is rock....

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
2. I can't complain about that list
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

I like at least something from every one of those artists. Some I love a lot.

Of course, MY appreciation is not necessarily prerequisite for induction into the hall of fame but it works for me.

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
9. Save for exclusion of The Moody Blues (A-f*ckin'-GAIN!)....
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:46 PM
Dec 2016

...I'm ok with all of the class except Tupac. OK, he may have been talented, I won't argue the point, but he's a f*ckin' RAPPER, ferf*cksake! Not rock 'n' roll by any measure I know of.

WHERE da Fuck are the MOODY BLUES???!?!? . . . . .


JudyM

(29,192 posts)
30. Baez was great, influenced Dylan and others, doesn't have to be a "rocker" per se to be inducted,
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:56 AM
Dec 2016

take a look at the range of inductees: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees Many aren't rockers.

Though she was selected on the basis of performance, rather than some who are selected for influence. She is a unique, powerful voice, including in the protest song genre, important stuff.
From their website re:eligibility:

Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
8. Music is a very personal thing.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 07:37 PM
Dec 2016

I don't discount people's musical tastes. You might think Lou Reed is a musical genius. I, however, might think he was a poseur who just had sex with "connected" people in the art world to achieve the success that he had. I won't tell you that you shouldn't enjoy Lou Reed's music. You might have a deep connection to it, something I would never understand.

BTW, I only use Lou Reed as an example. We could be talking about The Beatles, Bob Dylan, or Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods. If the music moves you and means something to you, then it's important.

So don't tear people up about their musical tastes. Let them tell you about the music they enjoy. And tell them about the bands YOU like, no matter how much they suck. Because I guarantee you, they do.


Paladin

(28,243 posts)
10. I thought I made it abundantly clear......
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:35 PM
Dec 2016

that I wasn't attempting to foist my musical preferences on anyone. How about we leave it there?

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
15. I'm with you on this, Paladin.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:37 AM
Dec 2016


ETA:

I would also have to throw Pearl Jam in there. Never could stand them either.

While I dislike Yes, I would acknowledge their importance to the genre of prog rock. And, their music is not all that hard to avoid.
But, with Journey and Pearl Jam being "mainstream" one gets assaulted with their music in places like stores and restaurants and so therefore my animosity is at a much higher level.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
18. Gotta love that R&R Hall Of Fame.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:00 AM
Dec 2016

They induct hack bands like Journey and Pearl Jam, low-talent acts who should have never made it beyond Holiday Inn lounge gigs, but continuously overlook a genuine musical genius like Warren Zevon. Go figure.

(And yet again, let me mention that the foregoing is my own subjective opinion, and nobody is bound to agree with me. I'm saying all this for the benefit of those who can still see it; the person I had to put on Full Ignore over this silly matter won't get the benefit of my advanced thinking..... )

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
20. I don't follow the R&R HOF very closely, but I am stunned by what you say. No Warren Zevon?
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:09 AM
Dec 2016

Clearly, they must do their inclusions more on albums sold than on innovation and influence.

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
24. You are correct, he is not in. Just discovered Kraftwerk is not in! R&R HOF is officially
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:20 AM
Dec 2016

irrelevent.

Kraftwerk? The guys who INVENTED synthesized pop music? Really?

And JOURNEY gets in?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
35. My major beef is UFO
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:31 PM
Dec 2016

Journey getting in before UFO sort of chaps my hide.

Once you get past the "British Invasion Guitar Gods"...Clapton, Beck, Page...you get into metal guitarists (Sabbath, Maiden, Priest) and hard rock (Deep Purple, UFO).

Michael Schenker is probably one of the most influential guitarists of all time, at least when it comes to other guitarists.

"Strangers In The Night" is one of the most highly-regarded live albums in the history of rock, right up there with Deep Purple's "Made In Japan" and Humble Pie's "Performance: Rockin' The Fillmore."



Journey started as a post-Santana jam band, but they just weren't selling albums. Manager Herbie Herbert pretty much brought Steve Perry into the band and told them...rather than asking them..."Here's your new lead singer." When Jonathan Cain joined, the crass commercialism hit a whole new level. They had one objective...make money.

And make money they did. Having them in the R&RHOF ahead of UFO tells you everything you need to know about that organization.

FrankfurtCat

(1,213 posts)
52. Some of their songs are all right....
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

For instance, "Separate Ways" is a decent power ballad (although kind of corny, and the video is pretty goofy):



But then "Faithfully" is, well,....

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
34. Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, Yes, Yes
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:19 PM
Dec 2016

Journey is the big no. Tupac is a no because i question the selection due to longevity. Talented yes. Prolific and continuing growth, no. He didn't live long enough. Of course, Richie Valens might be the HoF, (not sure) so that would negate my opinion.

But, Journey was pedestrian, formulaic and did not really influence the rock music industry. They don't belong

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
36. Journey influenced other bands to attempt to copy the formula
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

Here are two of the first examples that come to mind. Beyond that, they influenced no one.



ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
42. Extreme Was Much Heavier
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016

They spent much more time refining the vocals and the blend with the music. And Nuno was a guitar genius compared to Schoen. (And i don't dislike Schoen.)

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
43. Agreed, but they took a Journey detour with that one song
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:36 PM
Dec 2016

I'm a guitar player...I used to buy all of the guitar magazines around the time of Extreme's peak, and I remember endless tabs and lessons from Nuno.



ON EDIT: Same holds true for Paul Gilbert in Mr. Big...the guy is a guitar demon. But that one song...

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
45. Good One, Miles
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:00 PM
Dec 2016

I too am a guitar player. My playing is probably closest to Petrucci. Lots of modal runs but still trying to be musical. (Jazz piano background.)

Maybe i'm remembering this wrong, but wasn't Gilbert in Night Ranger?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
48. That was Brad Gillis in Night Ranger
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:42 PM
Dec 2016

He also played on Ozzy Osbourne's "Speak of the Devil" live album.

Gilbert was in Racer X prior to Mr. Big and was one of the original post-Eddie Van Halen "shredders." i recently went back and listened to Gilbert's work in Mr. Big, and other than that one track, he is in a league with EVH / Satriani / Vai. This is one of my favorite Mr. Big tracks, where Gilbert peels most of the paint off of the walls:



Other than Gilbert, the only other guitarist from that "school" of players that is still around in high profile is Vinnie Moore, who joined UFO after Michael Schenker left for the second time and has been there ever since. This clip also features Jason Bonham on drums, before he left to join Foreigner, and then left them to join 'The Circle" with Sammy Hagar:



I am also a major Dream Theater fan. As a Petrucci fan, you are probably very familiar with this, but for everyone else, Petrucci whips off an 8 minute guitar solo which then goes straight into "Pull Me Under" on the "Once In A Livetime" album. He was also pretty cool on the "G3 Live In Tokyo" album with Satriani and Vai.



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ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
49. I Have That G3 DVD
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:45 PM
Dec 2016

Yeah, he's terrific on that. Actually since i was more emulating Satch it wasn't until i was watching that G3 with a friend when he said "Man, that you sound a lot like him." It only took another 10 seconds for me to hear it too.

Still a Satch maniac, but if i'm even close to the class of John P, i'm good with that.

On Edit: Thanks for the reminder, Miles. Yeah, i had that pretty mixed up.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. Every rapper that grew up in the 90s owes their career to him
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 12:54 PM
Dec 2016

His influence is undeniable, was active for 9 years and had much more released after his death. Like the Makavelia album after broke free from Death Row. Well maybe not considering Suge Knight.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
50. Well I'd never vote for Journey
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:46 PM
Dec 2016

Especially now that those horrible Southwest commercials play the song constantly especially during sporting events.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
51. Now You've Ruined My Afternoon, Jon!
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:47 PM
Dec 2016

Those commercials annoy the daylights out of me. Now i'm going to have the song in my head the rest of the day! All your fault!!!!

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