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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:26 PM May 2017

Am I old? Or was music better in my youth? (1970s-1980s)

I'm trying to be objective here, but I objectively think that music from the 1970s and 80s is simply better than today. Heck, music from the 90s was better.

Or am I becoming an old fart?

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Am I old? Or was music better in my youth? (1970s-1980s) (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2017 OP
Yes, and yes. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #1
It was best in the 60's and the 70's. SharonAnn May 2017 #18
I agree. It started to go downhill in the '80s. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #20
Definitely!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #51
yep annabanana May 2017 #82
My wife tells me these are not mutually exclusive questions !...lol..n/t CincyDem May 2017 #2
I'm old.... RazBerryBeret May 2017 #3
There is wonderful new music greymattermom May 2017 #4
agreed... RazBerryBeret May 2017 #5
I use an app called Hoopla through the public library. Dave Starsky May 2017 #66
Excluding the abomination Hayduke Bomgarte May 2017 #6
I think there is good... Mike Nelson May 2017 #7
I loved late 60's and 70's. When disco hit I sorta tuned out. So yes, but we are old. OregonBlue May 2017 #8
Music of the 60s, 70s and 80s was awesome MANative May 2017 #9
I am 61 - and love lots of the new music NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #10
Now it is often computer generated KT2000 May 2017 #11
And what exactly is wrong with computer production? politicat May 2017 #49
artists outside the industry KT2000 May 2017 #58
I prefer older music, before MTV and "appearance" took over. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #12
This rocks... LuvLoogie May 2017 #15
It sure does LeftInTX May 2017 #43
You are insane, music NOW is just as good ghostsinthemachine May 2017 #13
My music is 60's and 70's, but I'm getting schooled. Croney May 2017 #14
Access to music is so much better now Freethinker65 May 2017 #16
You're looking in the wrong places. Dr Hobbitstein May 2017 #17
Hard to put a price on safeinOhio May 2017 #19
Yer old. Warpy May 2017 #21
Check out Little Hurricane and you might reconsider. Lochloosa May 2017 #22
Not bad, but the lyrics are kind of dumb benpollard May 2017 #59
I sometimes think I'm not old enough. Ptah May 2017 #23
You can still find good stuff if you look for it Warpy May 2017 #32
How can you not like some Gene Krupa on drums!! Lifelong Protester May 2017 #37
The Big Band Era Cartoonist May 2017 #24
Big band yes, also great stuff SonofDonald May 2017 #28
I love everything except country SonofDonald May 2017 #25
Willies latest release could change your mind randr May 2017 #26
I don't listen to country music except Willie Nelson. His latest is rzemanfl May 2017 #34
Cool, Stardust is a great album SonofDonald May 2017 #44
Better in your youth (and mine, including 1960s.) elleng May 2017 #27
i could just remember the words back then samnsara May 2017 #29
I am very old...best music 1975ish-1980ish... Tikki May 2017 #30
mid-late 50's were great too, but JenniferJuniper May 2017 #31
It seems like most people feel like the "best music" Afromania May 2017 #33
I feel strongly that SCantiGOP May 2017 #35
There is good new music Best_man23 May 2017 #36
Do not think pop radio music is representative now any more than it was in the 1970s-80s. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #38
There's Good Music in Every Generation Leith May 2017 #39
not only do I agree there is good music in every generation OriginalGeek May 2017 #63
One of my worst fears klook May 2017 #40
Seals & Crofts would be torture LeftInTX May 2017 #45
+1 n/t FSogol May 2017 #55
Soft rock and contemporary Christian are the only styles of music I absolutely cannot stand. Still Blue in PDX May 2017 #70
Very cool klook May 2017 #83
Sounds of Silence by Disturbed RainCaster May 2017 #41
Start with Sturgeon's Law - 90% of everything is crap. csziggy May 2017 #42
Music's always on a cycle Saviolo May 2017 #46
I'm a trucker, so I spend a lot of time driving. Tobin S. May 2017 #47
"Few things are more pleasurable than being able to think well" Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #60
Sturgeon's Law. politicat May 2017 #48
I don't know TuxedoKat May 2017 #50
We all think the pop music of our youth is best. sarge43 May 2017 #52
My brother is a disc jockey Freddie May 2017 #53
For your brother... malthaussen May 2017 #61
I'm 60, white and have nothing against hip hop/rap LeftInTX May 2017 #69
"Yes," certainly to the first question, and possibly to the second. mahatmakanejeeves May 2017 #54
Music was usually made up of songs back then, so there's that. n/t brewens May 2017 #56
A lot of people believe the music of their youth is the best. IrishEyes May 2017 #57
You clearly have not yet seen Baby Metal OriginalGeek May 2017 #62
An oft-asked question. malthaussen May 2017 #64
Remember in the 70's and 80's you had Wolf Frankula May 2017 #65
Here is a song from the best album from last year... lame54 May 2017 #67
Music from the 50s and 60s was pretty great too lunatica May 2017 #68
David Hepworth has a book out: Never a Dull Moment gratuitous May 2017 #71
On my iPod (yes, I still have an iPod! Don't judge me!), I have playlists of music from every decade Aristus May 2017 #72
I'll be 27 at the end of the month, but Jamaal510 May 2017 #73
The '80's was one of music's explosion eras... uriel1972 May 2017 #74
I think a lot has to do with how we listen to music now Tribalceltic May 2017 #75
Do you frequently tell children to stay off of your lawn? guillaumeb May 2017 #76
except for freddyvh May 2017 #77
I am old too get the red out May 2017 #78
My biggest gripe about music now Bayard May 2017 #79
The one thing that I've noticed about music jberryhill May 2017 #80
You're of my era...and I think it's complicated Ken Burch May 2017 #81
There is newer music that you and I (age 58) will never like... steve2470 May 2017 #84
Must I remind you of... jmowreader May 2017 #85

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
3. I'm old....
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:30 PM
May 2017

but I think I enjoy music now than I did 20-30 years ago. I love discovering a new band, love going to concerts, Live music still makes me high. what's your favorite genre?

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
4. There is wonderful new music
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:30 PM
May 2017

but you have to find out about it yourself. I've recently become a big fan of The Decemberists, but my daughter told me about them. There's no radio to tell you any more. They filled the Fox Theater in Atlanta, though, so a lot of people know about them. There are a lot of indi bands.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
66. I use an app called Hoopla through the public library.
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:29 PM
May 2017

You can basically borrow, for free, all kinds of classic and new music for a period for five days. Listen all you want, and renew if you want. You get 7 lends a month. So I just Google for bands I think I might like, look them up on Hoopla, and then give them a shot.

I have discovered all kinds of awesome music I never knew about or ever thought I would like. There is an entire universe of good music out there. You just have to do a search for it.

Mike Nelson

(9,955 posts)
7. I think there is good...
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:39 PM
May 2017

...music in every decade. But, generally, I don like '70s music as much as '60s or '80s. I do like stuff.., just not as much.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
9. Music of the 60s, 70s and 80s was awesome
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:42 PM
May 2017

Much of it had rich orchestration, actual melody, deep harmony, and true musicality that I find exceedingly rare in today's music. And we're both old!

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
10. I am 61 - and love lots of the new music
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:43 PM
May 2017

The National. Arcade Fire. Beck's newer stuff. Agnes Obel - plus lots of great ambient and jazz.

I'm kind of the opposite - I like to move on and explore and learn what's new - and can't really enjoy all that much of the old stuff (with exceptions - love the Beatles still, Talking Heads, Steely Dan).

but that's really my basic personality - I love change!

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
11. Now it is often computer generated
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:46 PM
May 2017

they get the hook, then get a chorus, then insert computer generated "rhythms." It is a formula. I can't stand what passes for popular music now - and yes I guess I am old.

I listen to people outside the record industry: Joe Bonamassa, Nahko, Beth Hart, Dropkick Murphy's, Justin Johnson and whatever suggestions look interesting on YouTube.
There is good music out there but one must look for it now. The industry is only about money.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
49. And what exactly is wrong with computer production?
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:42 AM
May 2017

Are you telling me I need to revert to a Selectric, or a manual typewriter, or longhand, or clay tablets to write? That I need to go back to mixing my own flaky egg tempura and using arsenic for green paint? Must I give up my drill press and laser cutter? How about the washing machine? The toilet?

We've been using technology to make music since we first blew air across a hollow reed, plucked a string, or ran a wet finger on a half-filled water glass. There are things that can be done with electronic instruments that cannot be done with live instruments, because humans don't (usually) have the lung capacity to produce phrases without breath marks. Yes, circular breathing. Single reed or small brass. This piece is produced from a studio orchestra, using loop and edit tech. Listen for the French horn and oboe in the opening measures, and listen for the breath marks -- those are difficult phrases.



(DKM were on Hellcat before they went vertical. Beth Hart was on Atlantic before her manager moved her vertical. Bonamassa was on J&R, and went vertical. The industry has problems -- and not paying the artists is just one -- but just because they're producing themselves doesn't mean they're outside the industry. It means they have had enough success or enough patronage to afford to do their own production.)

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
58. artists outside the industry
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:44 PM
May 2017

play what they want to play. They are not instructed to "make hits," Because of that, when we listen to the artist we are listening to a real evolution in their art.
Computer programs that have the hooks, chorus, etc. and are then spliced together because they match a formula for making hits is not making music. It is a contrived effort to make money.

Using technology to make sounds can certainly be used artistically. Some I find interesting and beautiful but some I find irritating such as the Avicii tracks that are dropped into so many popular songs now.

I don't know what you mean by vertical but Joe Bonamassa is J&R - he and his manager.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
12. I prefer older music, before MTV and "appearance" took over.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:46 PM
May 2017

There might be some good rock music being made now, but there's another problem... I'm burnt out with it!

I'm listening to music from other parts of the world because it's "new" to me.

Here's one example:


ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
13. You are insane, music NOW is just as good
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:48 PM
May 2017

Or better than then. I grew up then too. Once Jerry passed it opened a huge world of amazing music for me.

Croney

(4,660 posts)
14. My music is 60's and 70's, but I'm getting schooled.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:06 PM
May 2017

My 12-year-old granddaughter is obsessed with an app called musical.ly, where kids lip sync to songs and also add body movements to act out the lyrics. She has done hundreds of these short videos. I've heard a lot of crap, and some music with merit (in my opinion).

Laugh if you will (I laugh at myself), but the lyrics to Selena Gomez's "Kill 'Em With Kindness" are words I'm glad the kids are hearing, and the tune is haunting.

She made me record one, but I insisted on doing You're So Vain, so she rolled her eyes and said I couldn't do any more. Whew.

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
16. Access to music is so much better now
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:28 PM
May 2017

It is much easier to explore both old and new music of all genres if you so desire. Filtering through music you do not enjoy can be a challenge at first, but when you find something that clicks with you it is very gratifying and often leads to even more enjoyable music you never before would have heard.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. You're looking in the wrong places.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:30 PM
May 2017

I can't stand most of the 80s excess (hair bands and ridiculous drum reverbs). I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and I listen to music from the 30s-present.

Pop music has always sucked, regardless of the year (70s: every Disco song ever, Captain & Tennille, Starland Vocal Group; 80s: Tony Basil, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Bowowow).

There's plenty of really good music coming out today. Check out artists like My Morning Jacket, the Illusionists, Bruno Mars, Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats, The Struts, and Fun.

Warpy

(111,259 posts)
21. Yer old.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:38 PM
May 2017

I keep surfing through You Tube and finding great stuff, but my taste tends to be a little out there so I won't link. The truth is that pop music has always been awful, it just sounded better when you were in your teens and twenties. If your tastes have grown beyond it, there's a lot of good music being made today in all sorts of genres.

benpollard

(199 posts)
59. Not bad, but the lyrics are kind of dumb
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:35 PM
May 2017

Not bad, but the lyrics are kind of dumb

People don't seem to know how to craft a good song any more.

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
24. The Big Band Era
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:55 PM
May 2017

I grew up with the Beatles. I still consider them tops. But open your ears. The bands back then had real musicians.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
28. Big band yes, also great stuff
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:16 PM
May 2017

And it's not compressed to death during recording, I'm a stereo equipment collector and have been for 40+ years, lots of the recordings from the 40's and especially the 50's were miked dead on by the tech setting up, some of the best recordings I've ever heard were from that era.

And as you said, Artists.....

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
25. I love everything except country
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:10 PM
May 2017

Classical ( dead mans music ) Jazz, The Blues, 60's 70's and some 80's (lived in bush Alaska from 79-96, no fm 800 miles from the transmitter), there's new great stuff out there, but you have to look.

The Black Keys come to mind, Jack White, etc....

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
44. Cool, Stardust is a great album
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:04 AM
May 2017

I should have qualified it, I don't care for the newer "pop country" style, but it's all we get around here, there is great country music.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
30. I am very old...best music 1975ish-1980ish...
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:20 PM
May 2017

It is getting pretty good again. You got to get out there and look around, though.

Tikki

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
31. mid-late 50's were great too, but
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:22 PM
May 2017

Pandora just played a live version of the Clash's White Man In Hammersmith Palais.

It was a good time.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
33. It seems like most people feel like the "best music"
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:33 PM
May 2017

is at whatever age they begin their trip to autonomy. So 13ish into their late 20's or so. That said, IMHO, musical innovation started grinding to a halt around 93. Don't get me wrong, good music exists but it feels like it's been drowned out by a sea of sound alikes and rehashes of rehashes of rehashes.

SCantiGOP

(13,870 posts)
35. I feel strongly that
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:00 PM
May 2017

almost all of the good music was recorded by 1972.
I realize that is because I am old and out of touch. I think most everyone fixates on the music that's around when they come of age between 16 and 22.
But, there was some good shit that has lasted a long time from the late 60s.

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
36. There is good new music
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:04 PM
May 2017

You just won't find it on terrestrial radio.

On the other hand, check out the comments on YouTube posted on videos for 1970s-80s music and many lament today's music.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
38. Do not think pop radio music is representative now any more than it was in the 1970s-80s.
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:23 PM
May 2017

See [font size = "+2"]"They Don't Make 'Em Like They Used To",[/font] 2015, at the end of this post. That could have been made years ago, but it wasn't because there is something about it that has been influenced by music right up to the point it was recorded.

Yes you are old. I may be older than you. The first hit song I heard when it was current was "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". The first three albums I listened to over and over were Led Zep III, Grand Funk Railroad (red album, very heavy, very bluesy), and CSN&Y Four Way Street. I feel there is wonderful music available all around, partly because I make a point of listening to alternative sources and following up with some stuff. Even so I am out of touch because I'm constantly discovering new gems I've never heard before. There is so much good music available!

Album Oriented Rock was a radio format in 1975. Now you don't even hear that on campus radio stations. It doesn't mean that kind of music disappeared or evaporated.

Case in point:

Here are the top 10 Billboard hits for 1975. They are pleasant enough but not great, except for "Fame".

1 "Love Will Keep Us Together" Captain & Tennille
2 "Rhinestone Cowboy" Glen Campbell
3 "Philadelphia Freedom" Elton John
4 "Before the Next Teardrop Falls" Freddy Fender
5 "My Eyes Adored You" Frankie Valli
6 "Shining Star" Earth, Wind & Fire
7 "Fame" David Bowie
8 "Laughter in the Rain" Neil Sedaka
9 "One of These Nights" Eagles
10 "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" John Denver

Lots of stuff not on the top 100, but pieces further down are much better than most of the chart toppers. Note the positions:

19 "At Seventeen" Janis Ian
25 "Boogie On Reggae Woman" Stevie Wonder
68 "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)" James Taylor

Most of the rest of the chart is dreck. "Bron Y Aur" and "Kashmir" by Led Zeppelin not in sight. "Wish You Were Here" song and album by Pink Floyd? Invisible. Same with "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" song and album by Joni Mitchell.


Same thing for 1985:

1 "Careless Whisper" Wham! featuring George Michael
2 "Like a Virgin" Madonna
3 "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" Wham!
4 "I Want to Know What Love Is" Foreigner
5 "I Feel for You" Chaka Khan
6 "Out of Touch" Hall & Oates
7 "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" Tears for Fears
8 "Money for Nothing" Dire Straits
9 "Crazy for You" Madonna
10 "Take on Me" a-ha


2015 is no different:

1 "Uptown Funk" Mark Ronson featuring Bruno Mars
2 "Thinking Out Loud" Ed Sheeran
3 "See You Again" Wiz Khalifa featuring Charlie Puth
4 "Trap Queen" Fetty Wap
5 "Sugar" Maroon 5
6 "Shut Up and Dance" Walk the Moon
7 "Blank Space" Taylor Swift
8 "Watch Me" Silentó
9 "Earned It" The Weeknd
10 "The Hills" The Weeknd

12 "Can't Feel My Face" The Weeknd
Hotline Bling came in at only #30 (#24 the next year)
30 "Hotline Bling" Drake

In the 2010s there are many great singer-songwriters that just don't make the charts and great electronic/house/trance. I have so much gorgeous music to listen to including gobs of classical that I don't listen as much to fresh music as I maybe should, though I still make a point of it from time to time. One of my favorite pieces of music is Mozetich "Affairs of the Heart", 1997, 23 minutes. It stopped me in the driveway and I couldn't get out of the car until the piece finished.





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Leith

(7,809 posts)
39. There's Good Music in Every Generation
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:26 PM
May 2017

I think that some current keepers are

Some Nights by the band Fun - excellent instrumentation and the lead singer is reminiscent of Freddie Mercury.

SOB by Nightsweats - blues updated and just fun to listen to and watch.

Yung'uns might say that even these are old.


But, like you, my "day" was the late 60s through the 70s. My favorite singers are Harry Nilsson and Linda Ronstadt. Don't even get me started on autotune.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
63. not only do I agree there is good music in every generation
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:57 PM
May 2017

I'll say there is good in _nearly_ every genre.

And as it ever was, the best stuff is generally not being played on commercial radio.

Although I even like some pop music that is.


^^^ SOB is a great song!

klook

(12,155 posts)
40. One of my worst fears
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:27 PM
May 2017

is that I'll end up in an old folks' home for people born in the 1950s like me, and the entertainment director will lead group sing-alongs featuring the greatest hits of Seals & Crofts, America, Bread, and so on.

There is so much great music in a wide variety of genres, I feel like I'm living in the greatest era for musical exploration ever! To me it's a miracle that with very little effort I can hear Roma songs from Eastern Europe, Indian Carnatic music, 1920s hot jazz from the Fletcher Henderson Orchestra, the latest funk from Booker T. Jones, hard-to-pigeonhole artists like Jun Miyake (his music on the soundtrack to the Wim Wenders film, Pina, OMG!), groundbreaking new jazz from people like Jason Moran and Cassandra Wilson (not to mention the beautiful hymn-like tunes of Abdullah Ibrahim), fascinating electronic music from people like Paul Lansky, or how about the all-female saxophone group The Tiptons?... and so much more, all in the same day.

I suggest plunging yourself into unfamiliar waters and seeing what you find. Try letting the Pandora app turn you on to new sounds. Watch some of the NPR Tiny Desk Concerts for incredible variety and virtuosity.

I love much of the music of my youth. I will never get tired of the greatest Beatles songs, or my favorite R&B tracks (Martha & the Vandellas -- my lifelong crush!). But there is an amazing world of music out there, just waiting to titillate your eardrums and take you to new places. Give it a try.

LeftInTX

(25,328 posts)
45. Seals & Crofts would be torture
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:27 AM
May 2017

Good news is I just visited a relative who turned 90. She's got internet. She can listen to whatever she wants.

I remember when nursing home entertainment consisted of Gay 90s stuff....... This was a recently as 2000.
Who really wants to hear 100 year old pop tunes such as "Let Me Call You Sweetheart"?

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
70. Soft rock and contemporary Christian are the only styles of music I absolutely cannot stand.
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:36 PM
May 2017

Thank you ever so much for your recommendations! I just recently learned about the NPR Tiny Desk Concerts. Time to explore.

RainCaster

(10,874 posts)
41. Sounds of Silence by Disturbed
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:29 PM
May 2017

There is still some great talent out there.

Today's hip hop is no different than what we called bubblegum.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
42. Start with Sturgeon's Law - 90% of everything is crap.
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:50 PM
May 2017

But we only remember the best 10%. This means that we've pretty much forgotten the crap from years past while what we hear now includes everything, the crap and the good.

Of course I'm an old fart so I don't listen to much current music - too much of it sucks.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
46. Music's always on a cycle
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:35 AM
May 2017

The underground music of the previous generation becomes the mainstream of the next.

So, in the 80's when there was all the experimentation with the new sounds of synth and such (which rose out of queer and black counter-culture and disco previously), the underground bands were things like The Smiths, Velvet Underground, and Depeche Mode who all got recognition as igniting the sound that they popularized, and which became the inspiration and basis of the grunge phenomenon, which was a response to the really staid and boring rehashes of 80's excess.

Well, that grunge sound has been done and done to death. It's reached its own excess by now, and the bands we're seeing replace it are the "indie" bands, like Decemberists, Walk Off The Earth, The Lumineers, OneRepublic, 21 Pilots, The Weeknd, as well as some bands on the electronic side of things cutting together older music with amazing beats like Caravan Palace and Parov Stelar. There are hard working bands like The Black Keys that have been putting albums out for years, but only now are getting recognized (well, as of a few years back with their album Brothers) as the music world catches up with them.

And I've got some oddities in my collection, like the "folktronica" band Tunng, and the sample-heavy Avalanches (also check out Girl Talk for more sample madness). And if you like straight up Rock'n'Roll, Matthew Good is still putting out albums.

I'll be honest, I was born in the late 70s, grew up in the 80's, but the early 90's were my musical awakening. Alternative bands like Cracker, Tripping Daisy, Big Wreck, Treble Charger, The Breeders, and Sloan were formative, but there's plenty of amazing music coming out again, now that the cycle is sort of running its course again. And then later (in my late 20's and through my 30's) I came to appreciate psychedelic rock like Cream, Deep Purple, 13th Floor Elevators, and Strawberry Alarm Clock.

And if you like straight up pop music, Carly Rae Jepsen actually writes all of her own songs. I don't personally have any time for Drake, but I can see his skill. I have also been enjoying Lorde's new stuff, and Pharrell Williams and Childish Gambino are pretty serious talents.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
47. I'm a trucker, so I spend a lot of time driving.
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:56 AM
May 2017

It used to be that I couldn't deal with my job without some music going. Anything was better than nothing except for maybe new country.

I have ELO going in the car right now. They are one of the few bands that both my wife and I like. But when I am in the truck now, I mostly listen to nothing but the hum of the wheels on the road. It's not that there isn't a lot of great music out there being made. I just like the peace and solitude. I can hear myself think again when I'm in the truck. Few things are more pleasurable than being able to think well.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
60. "Few things are more pleasurable than being able to think well"
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:06 PM
May 2017

Nicely stated and so true.

Fortunately I can make time for both thinking and music, but I'm more and more of the same mind as you, in that I recognize more and more that thinking well needs its own space.

I do still do certain kinds of creative and thought-filled activities with a playlist, such as programming, but then the music is less demanding. I program to upbeat rhythmic melodic music with few or no lyrics, sometimes progressive trance and occasionally meditative Indian music (need to seek that out more).

There are times when I listen intently to music, and do some mindless activity so I can hear everything the music has to offer.

But for deep thinking, when I'm seeking wisdom and insight, then just ordinary ambient sound is best, whatever is happening around me, provided it isn't jarring or too loud.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
48. Sturgeon's Law.
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:54 AM
May 2017

90% of everything is crap.

90% of pop music has always been not to your tastes; you just didn't listen to it then and commercial radio stopped being a functional curation mechanism soon after the Billboard chart mechanism changed in 1991. (Not that pop charts were always reliable; they kept giving airtime to Neil Diamond and his creeptastic songs about very young women...) Plus we always associate positively that which we hear when we feel good, and teenagers and young adults have a LOT more good days than adults. There's a reason it's called the golden age for marketing.

I stay away from pop radio, but there's a lot of talent in all genres. People seem to imprint on their first positive music experiences; for me, those were the 1812 Overture, and the Eurythmics, Sweet Dreams, when I was an infant and in 2nd grade, respectively. That influenced my musical tastes: heavy electronics with classical influence. (My parents are country fans, and country -- or specifically diminished minor 5th chords and especially pedal steel -- make my ears hurt like ten penny nails on chalkboard. I have a whole long story about being a baby in a bad way -- failure to thrive and failure to sleep -- until I was about 3 months old and a cousin made a mistake with my grandparents' stereo and blasted Tchaikovsky at me. At which point I stopped crying and fell asleep. Because my mother and grandmother kept the local country station playing 24/7. I survived my first two years thanks to the Reader's Digest Greatest Hits of Classical Music.)

Electronic instrumentation and fast data transfer means that three people on two continents and opposite coasts can collaborate to make an album that explores grief and parental loss, to benefit cancer research (Bruderschaft), or a young woman in the Toronto suburbs can make her mark in Europe (Ayria) without getting signed. An electronic duo can re-instrument their body of work for full orchestra and produce it themselves (VNV Nation, Resonance album -- see the YouTube links at the bottom).

There's Black Violin, who are combining classical strings training with hip-hop and R&B; Panic! at the Disco, Sinestar and Mesh are subverting 80s trends like synth pop, surf, and the early forms of post-punk (go *listen* to LA Devotee and tell me it wouldn't fit on a playlist with Duran Duran and Oingo Boingo); the whole Ambient genre flows from the spring that Laurie Anderson and Art of Noise and Deep Forest dowsed. Punk comes and goes, and is in the uptrend of paying more attention to actually knowing how their instruments work than to pissing off whoever wants to grumble. (Punk is at its worst when it is passive-aggressively oppositional-defiant; at its best when it's nonchalantly defiant.) No Light and Hocico, both out of Mexico City, have picked up where Enigma and KMFDM left off (not for beginners in electro-industrial, though). Iranian rave (no, this is not a contradiction, and they risk prison for it) is brilliant and utterly unlike anything coming out of Europe or North America (try Idlefon for an easy intro, but it's musician's music -- expect experimental).

Musicians have to work at least three times as hard for a tenth of the attention these days -- the labels *loved* the pirated music excuse so they could trash royalties and production contracts. Musicians always made their bank on the tours, not the album/single sales, but now tours are what keep them eating. They can't afford to be in the studio very long, so there's much more post- than there used to be. That means everything sounds far more produced (rather than the fuzz-grungy of old analog live mix) but that doesn't mean it's less creative. It's just different tools, and they're doing some seriously innovative multi-media stuff. (-- see Beyonce's Lemonade) And to be brutally honest -- places where an infected tooth or a case of bronchitis don't mean penury or death are producing better and more musicians. The social safety net matters to creativity.

Commercial pop radio is now almost a consolidated single entity, with standard playlists and sets designed for advertising revenue and inoffensiveness. There's no way that today some disc jockey in Phoenix can go into the back catalogue and dig up a 5 year old British cover of a rocksteady cover of a barely noticed bad drinking song and push it into the Billboard top 10 (seriously, look up the history of Red Red Wine. It is now an ear worm, but it's a fluke it hit). Commercial radio is just not worth the time, and that includes Sirius, thanks to heavy influence from Liberty Media (the jerks who ruined Discovery, own QVC and Expedia and fund way too many authoritarian/Randroid pols). Pandora is mostly country, Spotify is more rock pop and eclectic, including electronic. Train the app with your likes and dislikes and skips so it can learn your tastes, and Spotify will give you decent suggestions. For all that Apple Music has a shitty search interface, it's great for recommendations once you've got a library established. Far better than Amazon's. And there's YouTube curation -- it's hit or miss, but when someone hits, it's really good.

Links:

(Resonance, album preview)
(Perpetual, original)
(Perpetual, orchestrated)





//youtu.be/@@ r5dNcKTcnPA LA Devotee, Panic! @ the Disco -- warning: I broke this link on purpose, because video is either creepy as hell or making a pure satire out of the Satanic Panic, or both, but it features Noah Schnapp from Stranger Things, and the kid can act. Which is good, because the video has neither coherent internal visual narrative, nor any connection to the song. Remove @@ or just search for it.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
52. We all think the pop music of our youth is best.
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:50 AM
May 2017

It's the memories and association it evokes. It'll be the same for "these kids nowadays". For them, their music will be the best.

Yeah, you're an old fart. If we live long enough, we all become old farts.

Freddie

(9,265 posts)
53. My brother is a disc jockey
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:06 AM
May 2017

Program director of 2 radio stations in small-market central PA. One is "country gold" (oldies up to recent hits) and the other is pop oldies. Loves his job but it doesn't pay that great (small market media jobs don't) so he DJs loads of weddings and other events. He says the musical dividing line is rap - people over 50 pretty universally hate it. I think music got very polarized when rap started and this continues today.
I'm 60 and enjoy most music except much of jazz leaves me cold.

LeftInTX

(25,328 posts)
69. I'm 60, white and have nothing against hip hop/rap
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:33 PM
May 2017

Maybe parents don't like rap cuz of the lyrics?

My kids are grown, so I can enjoy the stuff guilt free.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
54. "Yes," certainly to the first question, and possibly to the second.
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:08 AM
May 2017

See Dave Grohl's film "Sound City."

Sound City (film)

Sound City is a 2013 documentary film produced and directed by Dave Grohl, in his directorial debut, about the history of recording studio Sound City Studios in Van Nuys, Los Angeles.

Recordings are stepped on now. Too much digital gimmickry. I'm looking at you, Auto-Tune.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
57. A lot of people believe the music of their youth is the best.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

I think it has to do with the memories we had and the connection to music. I like the music of the 90s a lot because I have so many good memories of it. It was playing all the time. I knew back then who the singers and bands were named. I paid attention to when CDs came out, saved up to go to concerts and was sad when the bands broke up. I really like some of the new music today and some of the music from the early 1900s - 1980s. I think most genres of music have something that I find I like.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
62. You clearly have not yet seen Baby Metal
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:53 PM
May 2017




(While my post here may be tongue in cheeky, I really did enjoy their set opening up for the Red Hot Chili Peppers last week).

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
64. An oft-asked question.
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:04 PM
May 2017

Funny, it's asked by people irrespective of age.

Possibly Top 40 radio of the golden age of AM radio had more songs of worth than whatever the modern equivalent is, but they had their share of crap, too. And pop music is only one of many different genres of music, any one of which has its good and bad examples. And ultimately, de gustibus non est disputandum: I may find seven ukuleles covering "Good Vibrations" to be wonderful music, while it might leave you cold or worse.

I am always finding new and great music by randomly surfing You Tube. But it will rarely be something with a billion views.

-- Mal

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
65. Remember in the 70's and 80's you had
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:09 PM
May 2017

Toilet Ted, and people who thought he was the next big thing.

Wolf

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
68. Music from the 50s and 60s was pretty great too
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:07 PM
May 2017

I've been watching the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. There's lots and lots of older rock stars now.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
71. David Hepworth has a book out: Never a Dull Moment
Tue May 2, 2017, 06:15 PM
May 2017

I'm about half way through. It's about the year 1971, "The Year Rock Exploded" according the subtitle. It's been an enjoyable read. Hepworth is a rock journalist who was born in 1950. He concedes that the music of one's younger days becomes imprinted on our memories and associated with any number of formative experiences, so everyone thinks the music of a certain time in a person's life becomes the "best" music ever. Hepworth claims that in his case, he's right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't necessarily endorse that, but 1971 was certainly a formative year in contemporary music in the vacuum left by the Beatles' break-up.

Aristus

(66,361 posts)
72. On my iPod (yes, I still have an iPod! Don't judge me!), I have playlists of music from every decade
Tue May 2, 2017, 07:39 PM
May 2017

from the 1960's to the 2010's. My longest playlist is from the 1980's, when I was young and in school. So I think nostalgia has as much to do with our perceptions of music as our personal taste and the relative level of quality of the music itself.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
73. I'll be 27 at the end of the month, but
Wed May 3, 2017, 12:50 AM
May 2017

I feel the same. It feels like mainstream music (well...at least rap and R&B) was better when I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. Now I mostly listen to old school music, and I even gained a taste for other genres like metal and jazz since high school.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
74. The '80's was one of music's explosion eras...
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:04 AM
May 2017

New types of instruments and delivery formats along with the willingness to break old formulas brought about so many new and short-lived sounds and bands that I loved so much.

Tragic New Wave fan speaking lol.

The '90's brought about refinement of the '80's styles and sounds, but it was already forming into tired old ruts and tropes that we see and hear so often on the media today. Especially with the policy of SUPERSTAR or don't bother of the studios it's hard for new music to break out and amaze us.

That's not to say there isn't good new music... there is and there always will be, it's just that you will never hear it played. You will have to search high and low for it.

And yes, like me Yavin IV (where have I heard that name before, I'm sure it was a movie... I dunno), you are becoming an old fart... minute by minute... hour by hour... day by day... it stalks you.

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
75. I think a lot has to do with how we listen to music now
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:08 PM
May 2017

In the early 70's I listened to local AM radio... Pop music, News, Weather, Local fire dept dispatches and Time (and an automatic lightning detector. Later FM stereo was an incredible increase in the quality of the music. The 80's brought MTV and the sound (through a tiny TV speaker ) was as bad as AM radio had been. The 90's brought Internet and MP3's and again the sound did not improve.

Neither did my hearing. Today I listen to music through the computer on a virtual world that Brings me the DJ's of old, who are well informed and performing for small enough groups they can handle requests and dedications. I also get to virtually dance better than i ever did in "real life"

There is still good music being produced (for my tastes, which have broadened with age). I have even learned to appreciate Jazz! I enjoy the best of most Genre's (well except for crap and hip hop). Having a DJ give more information about the music they are playing takes me back to the AM days with much higher quality.

Having my choice of genre, style and period of music, along with the ability to search is truly amazing to me.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
76. Do you frequently tell children to stay off of your lawn?
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:10 PM
May 2017

Do you go out to eat at 4pm for dinner?

If your answer is yes.................

Bayard

(22,071 posts)
79. My biggest gripe about music now
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:18 PM
May 2017

It all sounds alike to me (yeah, guess I am old), and the "lyrics" are crap.

I really appreciate good songwriting from people like Don Henley, Sting, Dave Matthews.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
80. The one thing that I've noticed about music
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:27 PM
May 2017

Is that it used to be a lot louder than it is now.

Nowadays, I can hardly hear it, because it is so faint.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
81. You're of my era...and I think it's complicated
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:54 PM
May 2017

People always have a natural bond with whatever music was popular when they were teenagers, tied to particular events(when I was 16, there was a young woman I met and danced with at a summer camp run for University of California alumni-my stepfather had graduated from there-and nothing ever happened between us but a few exquisite slow dances-but the song "That's The Way Of The World" by Earth, Wind and Fire will always have a special, bittersweet place in my soul as a result...it would have been "our song", if I'd managed to have us be an "us"...ah well, such is life isn't it?)

But there can be horrible and wonderful music in any decade if you look for it.

When I worked on the Alaska ferries, one of the boats had satellite radio in the crew mess-we had all chipped in for the yearly fee after the chief steward bought the set-and it had channels for each decade. I listened to the Sixties channel, and it played a lot of songs no radio station had played much since the Sixties-and in many cases, there were valid artistic reasons for not playing some of those songs for the next forty years.

for myself

1960s(my childhood)-first Peter, Paul and Mary, then the Beatles)
1970s-soul, the Beatles solo albums, reggae, some punk and new wave because those were genres where they cared about the lyrics
1980s-more reggae, more new wave(big on Talking Heads)ska(the English Beat), Gil Scott-Heron, some stuff on MTV, Billy Bragg, the Minutemen

1990s-Tracy Chapman, a lot of stuff in the Americana genre, Steve Earle,

Not sure about the Zeros and the Teens yet...still processing it.

(I do like Halsey and Hiatus Kayote these days, and some of the neo-folk people)

It's about the ear you bring to it and where you are at the time.

That said, I believe everyone, from ANY generation, can unite in a shared hatred of Johnny Hates Jazz and Men Without Hats.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
84. There is newer music that you and I (age 58) will never like...
Thu May 4, 2017, 05:09 AM
May 2017

I'm not going to say some of the newer music is bad, but it's not my taste. I have a really strong opposition to labeling ANY music as bad. You hate it, fine. Someone else loves it. Live and let live. Don't rain on parades that don't need to be rained on.

My son (age 21) is really into hip-hop. A bit of it is ok, but I find it is far too crass for my taste usually. I'm not going to bash it though as being "bad" or "inferior". I'm sure my parents hated some of my music too. These days I'm really into EDM (electronic dance music), with psytrance being my favorite.

There is no such thing as "objective" with music, unless you are talking about purely technical aspects. Am I fond of country music ? No, but I will NOT bash it. Come on people, live and let live.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
85. Must I remind you of...
Sat May 6, 2017, 04:57 PM
May 2017






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There was great music being put out in the 1970s. There was also atrocious music from back then.

As for today, you just have to broaden your horizons...

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