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nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:12 PM May 2017

Big hug to all of those who have/had a shitty mom and is having a tough time today

This is not to bash Mother's Day or moms in general.

Some of us have abusive, neglectful, absent or just plain crappy mothers. And for reasons I don't understand, some people really have a difficult time with the notion that not all moms are good moms. Somehow the mere fact she gave birth to you is enough for you to be eternally grateful. Note - not saying pregnancy or childbirth is easy. Giving birth vs actually raising a child with unconditional love are vastly different things.

I started dreading Mother's Day a long time ago - picking out a card for my mom made me feel like such a hypocrite. All of the flowery language and thank you for being my mom - just made me feel icky.

But I always got her a card, gift, took her out to eat - out of obligation not appreciation. My mom is extremely emotionally abusive and in the past was physically abusive as well. I am still dealing with the trauma from being raised by such a twisted narcissist. Everyone in my family knew she was abusive, but always put it on me to deal with her so they wouldn't have to engage with her. The phrases "oh but she's your mom, she loves you in her own way or "you have to forgive her, she's your mom and the only one you will ever have" make me sick. Oh I got lucky with an abusive dad as well, but everyone was fine with me never having contact with him.

So obviously, no one is forcing me to celebrate or even acknowledge the day - it is just everywhere - commercials, stores, social media, tv, etc. And for the most part I am ok with ignoring it. I know that it isn't directed at me or that I have to run out and order her a bunch of flowers. But it doesn't make it any easier - it still hurts, it is still a reminder of feeling like I missed out on something.

I just wanted to give a big hug to anyone have a tough time because of their circumstances. And if you ever feel the urge - no matter how well-intentioned - to say "but she's your mom, of course you love her", please stop. You mean well but it really hurts.

I realize that this sounds full of self-pity and I guess it is. I am just having a tough time of it today, and figured I can't be the only one - so wanted to give love and support to anyone feeling overwhelmed today.

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Big hug to all of those who have/had a shitty mom and is having a tough time today (Original Post) nadine_mn May 2017 OP
Took courage to post cilla4progress May 2017 #1
I had a wonderful Mom, but I appeciate this point and likewise send my thoughts to those who did not hlthe2b May 2017 #2
Seconded... I had parents who were great people. But I can understand TheDebbieDee May 2017 #3
Ditto lostnfound May 2017 #4
I had a mom exactly like yours. riverbendviewgal May 2017 #5
I'm always amazed.... Rorey May 2017 #6
I have to agree bad dads everyone shakes their head like oh yeah I understand but bad moms? lunasun May 2017 #7
Yes, had PTSD nitemares last nite jodymarie aimee May 2017 #8
oh you had a narcissist mom too - I recognize nadine_mn May 2017 #9
I too am slow to anger, forgave way too much cpamomfromtexas May 2017 #18
Hang tough. It took me forever to disengage, but it was the best thing I ever did. Squinch May 2017 #10
Forget the guilt. Think of what it's been like since no contact and how you wouldn't want to lunasun May 2017 #13
Thank You for Your understanding .. furtheradu May 2017 #11
Had a great Dad. My mother was difficult. Jarqui May 2017 #12
Aye my mom was far from perfect but I still miss her and would do anything to have more time cstanleytech May 2017 #14
Grandmother terrorized me. Chasstev365 May 2017 #15
I can identify. Nightmare really. cpamomfromtexas May 2017 #16
K&R for a usually unacknowledged truth. nt zentrum May 2017 #17
Yep bpositive May 2017 #19
My mother was a cold blooded monster! Mountain Mule May 2017 #20
That's horrible onlyadream May 2017 #22
Oh I am so sorry - what an awful experience for you nadine_mn May 2017 #27
You and I are truly survivors! Mountain Mule May 2017 #44
I understand onlyadream May 2017 #21
I feel sad for my mom. She had no way to be happy, thus neither did I. Then. Augiedog May 2017 #23
Thank you Generic Brad May 2017 #24
I always had the same thing on Fathers Day. Trying to pick out a card that didn't feel hypocritical Amaryllis May 2017 #25
You are definitely not the only one TxDemChem May 2017 #26
I thank my lucky stars .... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #28
Thank you for posting. citizen blues May 2017 #29
People can be such jerks...I'm sorry nadine_mn May 2017 #32
Big hug back, and thx for opening pnwest May 2017 #30
One of the reasons I didn't have kids either nadine_mn May 2017 #33
So sorry OceanChick May 2017 #31
I miss her... Snackshack May 2017 #34
No nadine_mn May 2017 #38
Message deleted by DU the Administrators stopwastingmymoney May 2017 #43
I was relieved when my mother died... skypilot May 2017 #49
Don't even try to explain. athena May 2017 #52
I don't miss mine at all lunasun May 2017 #42
i know MFM008 May 2017 #35
Well said. silverweb May 2017 #36
Sib, is that you? politicat May 2017 #37
Congrats on 18 months !! Many more to you . People with functioning mothers will try to lunasun May 2017 #40
Get a copy of this and curl up in front of the TV in a fetal position... Rollo May 2017 #39
Message deleted by DU the Administrators Archae May 2017 #41
I get you Bettie May 2017 #45
I appreciate threads like this and others... Phentex May 2017 #46
Thank You! Duppers May 2017 #47
hugs to you on such a difficult day. niyad May 2017 #48
Therapy.... MountainMama May 2017 #50
hugs to all of you, Been there, done that , got the tee shirt. demigoddess May 2017 #51
I wish I could give you a big, big hug....I'm glad the day is over. I highly recommend an article Upthevibe May 2017 #53
Mine was a fucking monster...to put it nicely. bikebloke May 2017 #54

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
2. I had a wonderful Mom, but I appeciate this point and likewise send my thoughts to those who did not
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:18 PM
May 2017

But, I'd likewise like to acknowledge those who have lost their Moms and find the insensitivity that frequently accompanies Mother's Day (and likewise Father's Day) to be painful.

I remember sitting between one friend who had miscarried a week previous and another who had lost her Mother only a few weeks before that (and I too had lost my Mom some time ago) as we were handed obligate carnations to "honor us", I guess (on one of my very infrequent visits to a church). Obviousy, no one believed the intent was anything but sincere, but the assumption that all women either have children, or living Mothers can be rather painful.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
3. Seconded... I had parents who were great people. But I can understand
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:18 PM
May 2017

the mixed feelings of those whose parents had ISSUES.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
5. I had a mom exactly like yours.
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:39 PM
May 2017

She died 10 years ago. I don't have feelings like missing her. I am happy to see friends with wonderful mom's.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
6. I'm always amazed....
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:40 PM
May 2017

....that two people like your mother and father found each other. Neither one could check the other because they both had the same defects.

I don't know if I could be as accommodating as you are. I see nothing wrong with cutting people out of my life who take away from my own quality of life just because they are related to me. I've got a sister that I haven't seen in 12 years and don't care to ever see her again. We can't always avoid unpleasantness in life, but I can avoid her. Of course it helps that she's estranged from just about everyone in the family.

I don't see your post as being full of self-pity. Maybe a touch of bitterness, but that's okay. It seems to be warranted.

On the bright side, tomorrow is a new day, and as far as I know, it's not one of these contrived holidays.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
7. I have to agree bad dads everyone shakes their head like oh yeah I understand but bad moms?
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:40 PM
May 2017

people think you should try to forgive , oh she gave birth to you etc. F that

I noticed in stores this weekend so many clerks saying Happy Mother's Day to customers
I was with a friend shopping and I said ok I am a mother but what if I wasn't . Seems sort of presumptive or worse , what if you wanted kids and never had any etc?
He said then they will say well everyone has a mother .
I said back what if she just died how happy would you be or if you were anything but happy around your mother and she made your childhood a terrible misery .
I like Mother's Day as a mom but I never think of my mom who is long gone . It's not intentional just doesn't enter in to my day . Not a lot of fond memories I will leave it at that.
Am I bad ? Sez who? Someone who had a mom that functioned and cared for you ? Don't assume everyone should regard either parent as you do yours and did not have the same experience as you did

Then my friend I was talking to said hey in another month they will all be smiling and wishing me a happy Father's Day when I do not have any children and my father walked out on us when i was the age of 2 and I never saw him again . What s so happy about the day to me ?
I just replied to him - exactly !!!

For you a hug back

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
8. Yes, had PTSD nitemares last nite
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:42 PM
May 2017

anticipating it. Since 2014 have NO CONTACT and her flying monkeys, my siblings, are trying to guilt me.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
9. oh you had a narcissist mom too - I recognize
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:52 PM
May 2017

flying monkeys - the good thing about being an only child is that no siblings or a golden child to deal with. But my cousins who have only seen her at family gatherings when she is "on" cannot understand the no contact. I got tired of trying to explain. People who know me, know that I am the most forgiving and loving person - always willing to give someone another chance. If I have cut you out of my life, it has to be for an extreme reason. The shitty thing is losing the rest of your family when you go no contact because they don't want to get involved.

Lots of love to you and I hope you sleep better tonight

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
13. Forget the guilt. Think of what it's been like since no contact and how you wouldn't want to
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:56 PM
May 2017

lose that peace you gained.
Perhaps since its siblings it just a case of misery loves company.
Also the same parents can have a completely different relationship with different children in the same family unit.

furtheradu

(1,865 posts)
11. Thank You for Your understanding ..
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:10 PM
May 2017

& compassion.
Very hard time for me, EVERY year.
The cards are serious triggers for me. Sent no card this year. More guilt for me.

Trying hard to make that "Happy Mothers Day!" call, all day..
Bless YOU for knowing what some of us are going through today.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
12. Had a great Dad. My mother was difficult.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:14 PM
May 2017

She was fine with my sisters. But kind of had it in for my brother and I.

My older brother was soft-hearted and kind. He took it kind of hard. I was different in that I would fight back - mostly to protect him.

I chalk it up to some kind of mental illness. She had mental troubles since we were little kids.

So I'm not bitter. Can't fault someone for being sick.

But I can never feel close or the same way about her as I did my father.

I did the obligation thing today - delivered a card and flowers. She was sleeping. Didn't see her and it did not phase me. It was kind of "normal".

A lot of days like this are not fun. They can dig up unpleasant stuff that would probably be better off buried. (EDIT: bad choice of words - no, I do not wish she was dead)

cpamomfromtexas

(1,245 posts)
16. I can identify. Nightmare really.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:23 PM
May 2017

I find I overindulge my own kids since my mother was stingy and father was abusive. She was so passive that I can't ever recall being protected from him.



Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
20. My mother was a cold blooded monster!
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:36 PM
May 2017

She was emotionally warped - probably a narcissist or some other profound personality disorder. She made my life (and my Dad's) a living hell. I thought I was supposed to love her because she was my Mom. But how can you love someone who abandoned you constantly when you were a helpless child, and told you stuff like "If people knew what you were really like, they'd despise you." After I became disabled and was too sick to fight back, she managed to pull off a court maneuver that allowed her to steal the home that I had inherited from my Dad and then she had me put out on the street. People will say to me that I should feel sorry for her because she must have been really abused as a child to turn into such a dreadful human being. But my aunts and uncle on her side of the family turned out just fine. Whatever my Mom may or may not have endured in her childhood, I do know that she made mine truly awful. It took all I had as an adult not to become a permanent mental wreck thanks to the harsh treatment she so freely dished out. I'd like to somehow come to terms with her before I leave this world myself (she has already passed - I didn't shed a tear), but I wonder if I ever will. My heart goes out to you and everyone else who had a "mother" who was nothing of the sort - mine was anything but a loving parent - hating yes, loving no.

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
22. That's horrible
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:40 PM
May 2017

I'm so sorry that your mother did that to you. Hopefully, there really is some sort of moment when a soul feels what they dished out to others.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
27. Oh I am so sorry - what an awful experience for you
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:18 PM
May 2017

People are always so quick to find an excuse too - oh her childhood must have been bad, oh there must have been something really wrong in her past. No - she is just an awful person.

My husband, bless his heart, at first thought it had to be brain damage (because my mom had brain aneurysms) and I explained to him that if anything, it mellowed her a bit. The longer he has known her, the more he has seen her true nature and is honestly surprised I am not locked up either in jail or an institution.

My grandparents (her parents) were the most loving people I have ever known, they raised me in some respect and gave me the unconditional love a child needs. Had it not been for them, no idea what would have happened to me. It boggles the mind that they raised her - it can't all be nurture vs nature.


She told me almost daily that I was an awful, mean, cruel, nasty person (which is how I learned about projection and recognize it so quickly in a certain orange Cheeto). I believed it then, and still believe it to my core that I am some broken awful person (I can logically "know" I am not - but how I feel is completely different).

I am sorry for what you had to endure and I hope you can find the peace you are looking for

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
44. You and I are truly survivors!
Mon May 15, 2017, 01:16 AM
May 2017

Your mother sounds as deeply cruel as mine was. I guess I will never understand it, but sometimes it seems to me that my mother was born with some essential human element missing from her being - perhaps a soul? I feel exactly the same way about the orange creature as you do. Any of us who were so misfortunate as to have suffered at the hands of one of these malignant narcissists is quick to spot that same behavior in others. My own mother actually grew worse with age (if that's possible). It scares me everytime I consider all the horrid things my aging narcissistic mother pulled off and then I contemplate the orange malignancy going down that same road. Horror doesn't even begin to describe my feelings!

I am so sorry that you had to endure what sounds like much what I did. My father was my saving parent. If not for him, I think I'd be locked up somewhere. One thing I will say about my mother - she turned me into a fighter with a strong sense of justice and fairness. I became an activist at least in part because I can't stand by and watch others be unfairly treated as I once was. We have both overcome much and should take pride in that this Mother's Day!


onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
21. I understand
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:37 PM
May 2017

My mom was damaged by her mom, and today we spent a good part discussing it. She was never able to show love to me, and there was a good fifteen year chunk where she said she hated me. I was also hit regularly with a belt or spoon, but I believe that was common in the 1970s. Picking a Mother's Day card was always a bit painful since the accolades of love and selflessness rang hollow, and would make me feel bitter. Anyhow, I've come to understand where she comes from, and forgive her. Our relationship is totally different now, and I feel so sorry for her that she didn't enjoy her children. I soaked up every moment of mine, wishing it wouldn't end, so I know she lost special years.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
24. Thank you
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:53 PM
May 2017

This represents a day of sadness for me. Last year an acquaintance of mine told me any mother would thank her lucky stars to have a person like me as her child. I am a good citizen. A loving husband and father. I always do what I believe is moral and ethical. But my mother feels otherwise.

Word to the wise - don't write off your children over who they love, how or if they worship, or how they contribute to society.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
25. I always had the same thing on Fathers Day. Trying to pick out a card that didn't feel hypocritical
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:55 PM
May 2017

was agonizing and took forever. Mom died 15 years before dad. But I sure can relate.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
26. You are definitely not the only one
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:57 PM
May 2017

If I didn't know any better, I'd say we have the same mom. I get so tired of those comments, too. My mom 4 miles from me. I haven't seen her in two years. Haven't had a relationship with her in 8. But you are the first person I have ever heard say exactly how I feel about Mother's Day for me. Hugs to you as well. The day is almost over and we can get back to our regular, everyday lives.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
28. I thank my lucky stars ....
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:20 PM
May 2017

That I had the best Mom in the world. We had a wonderful relationship and loved one another very much.

Today marks another year that we've had dinner together for Mother's Day since her passing many years ago. I bought another Mother's Day Card and set a place for her @ my table even though she's no longer here with me physically.

I MISS HER SO MUCH

OP and others who had Mothers that shouldn't have been: God Bless you, and I'm so sorry for your pain

Happy Mother's Day to ALL deserving Moms (And again to my late Mom).

citizen blues

(570 posts)
29. Thank you for posting.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:24 PM
May 2017

I was adopted out of foster care at the age of two and was nothing but a disappointment to my adoptive mom, which she constantly reminded me of. I grew up afraid that any minute she was going to take me back to foster care and trade me in for better model.

No, my mom never loved me. When I say that I get one of several reactions: a look of pity with a "there, there. I'm sure your mom loved you"; or a look of disgust, "how ungrateful! How could you ever think such a thing"; or an eye-roll, "what a drama queen".

When I say that she didn't love me, I'm not being any of those. I'm simply stating what was. She just wasn't capable of accepting and loving any little girl who didn't measure up to this fantasy daughter she had created in her head.

She died right before I turned 14, and I ended up back in foster care until I aged out of the system. Since, I've had intensive therapy and been treated for PTSD. But I honestly can't say that I'm sorry she died. In many ways, it set me free.

Yet, Mother's Day is still one those days I keep my head down and just get through it.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
32. People can be such jerks...I'm sorry
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:02 PM
May 2017

When I say that neither of my parents loved me, I get the same response. Or people think I'm looking for pity. And no, it's true...they are both narcissists and both incapable of loving anyone. And the sooner I accepted that, the sooner I could work on realizing that it wasn't about me...I didn't do anything wrong. I have 2 broken parents. My mom has been married and divorced 5x and my dad I think is on his 4th. I am the only child either has had..which is sad and funny at the same time. I'm the only one who understands what they are as parents...but also there is this idea that they had me and went...well, not doing that again...takes too much attention off of me.

Your adoptive mother was horrible too..I am sorry you had to endure that fear of being "returned". My mom used to always threaten to send me off somewhere and I believed her.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
30. Big hug back, and thx for opening
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:49 PM
May 2017

this dialogue. I start dreading Mother's Day about the time Easter is passed. I know exactly what you mean about feeling hypocritical. My mom was dutiful but not very warm or loving, and a strict perfectionist authoritarian who ruled with guilt. And I came out if the womb questioning authority, so we clashed from the day I began to speak until...well, we still do. Mothers Day is nothing but dread and guilt. One of the reasons I never had kids is cause I was afraid to be a mother like mine. Big hugs from me as well, to everyone who dreads this day as much as I do.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
33. One of the reasons I didn't have kids either
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:09 PM
May 2017

Was the fear that I would be like her. Also my mom needed constant attention, so in a way I always had to be the "adult" even as a kid. She would throw temper tantrums if she didn't get her way, give everyone the silent treatment and the adults in my family always had me (even in single digits of age) be the one to reason with her and apologize or coax her out of her mood.

My fear of the type of parent I would be was a deterrent. Now I have also seen the other nightmare I avoided...her as a grandmother trying to manipulate my children. I belong to a Facebook group of daughters with narcissistic mothers and so many horror stories of fighting over the grandkids.

Lol - I also came out questioning authority...so good for you!

OceanChick

(83 posts)
31. So sorry
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:00 PM
May 2017

I'm so sorry that you had a sick Mother.

I had wonderful parents but both of my siblings are nightmares.

I've come to the conclusion that just because we're born in to a tribe of people doesn't mean we have to love them. It's taken me years to let go of my siblings but when I finally did, my life improved so much. Neither of them treated me with love and respect but always expected me to give that to them. Nope, sorry, that doesn't work for me.

Now my life is peaceful, though sometimes lonely because I have no family left. Luckily, I have a wonderful husband who is my true soul mate and who supports me.

I wish you peace - please be gentle with yourself! Thanks for sending support to those who are suffering today.

I cry today because I miss my Mother so much even though she died over 15 years ago right around Mother's Day. She was a true Southern Belle!

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
34. I miss her...
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:14 PM
May 2017

So very much. She left much too soon.

I understand the sentiments expressed in the posts above, all too familiar but my advice for all the 2 pennies it is worth. Is try to set aside the past and if at all possible mend the fence or at least try too. Because once mothers are gone all the "what if's" "would have, should have or could have" are frozen in time never to given a chance.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
38. No
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:05 AM
May 2017

I'm sorry, but no. My mother used to pretend she was dead when I was 3 yrs old and would lay unmoving until I was screaming in terror and would laugh. She would ignore me for days when I was 5-7 yrs old, and I somehow had to try to feed myself and go to school. Everyday she told me she wished I had never been born, that I was worthless, that no one would love me, that I was ugly, mean, cruel,etc. When I was 8 she woke me up with my dog's empty collar in her hand and said she was gone. Again, once I started screaming and crying, she laughed and said April Fools.

She accused me of horrible acts and labeled me unthinkable names...things as a kid I didn't understand. She knowingly put me in the presence of child predators and accused me of inticing them and ruining her relationships. I am an only child, for over 44 yrs I have been there for her, done everything she asked, put my own life on hold for her at times, and never said an unkind word to her. Never raised my hand to her...not even to defend myself when she would hit me.

She accuses my husband of cheating on me, then laughs like it is a funny joke. She has destroyed relationships I have had with other family members, has used me to further her own sick agenda. Two years ago, the thought of spending time with her (when she needed in home care and the hospital assumed that it would be me) literally made me suicidal and I needed to go into treatment. When I explained to her afterwards that I had been suicidal (but obviously not the reason why) she laughed.

She refused to take me to the doctor or dentist when I was in pain (my grandparents would) or if she did, I had to pay her back (even at 11 yrs old). She refused to by me school clothes because I was too fat..or made me shop in the maternity section. Again my grandparents stepped in. I was literally told to walk off a broken ankle (and I did, fractured it in high school and never went to the doctor).

Up until recently, I believed I deserved to be treated like this. What fences are there to mend? She has never done a single thing for me that didn't serve a purpose for herself. She has never put the needs of her child before her own comfort. So finally after 44 yrs I am done.

I am sure your intentions are good...but honestly please understand when I say that I would have been better off raised by wolves in a forest than by her. I am dealing with chronic PTSD and depression, contact with her sets my therapy back months if not years. Another chance given to her is another chance to abuse me.

Narcissists don't know they are ill..they would have to admit there is something wrong with them and narcissists don't think they are ever wrong. She will never be able to love someone..it's mentally/emotionally/psychologically impossible. And I am not going to continue to let myself and my marriage be hurt by her.

skypilot

(8,853 posts)
49. I was relieved when my mother died...
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:46 PM
May 2017

...in 1998. I actually had TWO terrible mothers. First there was my biological mother who left with with an extremely abusive foster mother. This was all supposed to be "temporary" but I ended up stuck with the foster mother for 11 years, from the time I was three years old until I was 14. The only reason I didn't "age out of the system" while under her roof is because she hit me one time too many and I went off on her. My biological mother reluctantly came back into the picture and I was placed in another foster home with a woman who it turned out had a serious drinking problem. I ended up moving around quite a bit and finished my senior year of high school living with a classmate and his family. My mother never got her act together but always acted as though we'd had a normal mother-son relationship even though she wasn't in the picture. I came to realize that she kinda resented the fact that I didn't make it to my 18th birthday while in the first foster home thus obligating her to actually lift a finger on my behalf. She even sided with my first abusive foster mother on a couple occasions.

As I said, she died in 1998. The foster mother is probably dead as well by now. I haven't seen her since 1979. Mothers' Day has NEVER been a thing for me. When I was little I'd try to make nice with the foster mom by giving her Mothers' Day cards that we made in school. I did this a couple times. She never appreciated them and I felt stupid and phony giving them to her.


athena

(4,187 posts)
52. Don't even try to explain.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:39 PM
May 2017

People who had loving mothers will never get it. I've tried and tried, so many times, to explain it to my best friends, but it's impossible to convey how truly horrible it is to have a narcissistic mother to someone who didn't have one. Even mothers who love their daughters sometimes drive them crazy, and when you try to explain your troubles to such daughters, they think they've been through similar things and that you're too sensitive for not being able to deal with it.

My mother never did the kinds of things yours did; she was subtle and underhanded, and she knew exactly which buttons to push to make me feel horrible while preserving plausible deniability. She did, nonetheless, manage to instill in me the belief that there is something horribly wrong with me. I cut off all contact with her years ago, and she still sends me e-mails trying to convince me to leave my husband because she's jealous of my happy marriage. Thanks to therapy, I have been able to make great progress on developing self-esteem, but it's still difficult at times.

I know, and many others with narcissistic mothers would agree, that your decision to have no contact with your mother is an excellent one and is completely justified. Do not feel the need to explain it to those who will not understand. Trying to get people to understand is "people-pleasing" behavior that we daughters of narcissistic mothers have to constantly watch ourselves against. We are forever trying to get from strangers the love and approval that we never got from our mothers. I was doing something similar myself earlier today. Just know that you are lovable, that you have suffered unfairly and unnecessarily, and that you are not alone.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
42. I don't miss mine at all
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:39 AM
May 2017

She didn't leave soon enough !
My biggest "what if " was what if she legally tried to force contact with her grandchildren
that "could have" been a nightmare.

MFM008

(19,804 posts)
35. i know
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:29 PM
May 2017

As a kid i thought everyone wore long sleeves to hide bruises and welts.
Many years I wished her ill, now she is 80 and very frail and ill and i have made my peace with those days
in the 1960s.
I hope all find a measure of peace.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
36. Well said.
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:56 PM
May 2017

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I can empathize with you and many others here. My viciously domineering mother wanted a clone, not a daughter. She never forgave me for growing out of timid, malleable obedience and developing a mind, ideas, goals, and life of my own, different from hers - and there was non-stop hell to pay for it for decades.

Her social contacts think she's just wonderful, though, since she assumes an entirely different personality and demeanor for them. But they know nothing, just as those who try to lecture you about your feelings know nothing.

It took most of my adult life, along with some professional help, but I'm actually grateful to my mother now for demonstrating so vividly the kind of person I would never want to be - thus helping form the person I am (and like) today.

Hang in there. Be proud of your persistence and strength in overcoming your abusive upbringing as well as the ignorant judgments of others. Be the self you love.


politicat

(9,808 posts)
37. Sib, is that you?
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:58 PM
May 2017

I drew that shit hand in the parenting lottery, too -- both abusive, both horrible in their ways. I'm 20 years from contact with the Asshat, and I bounced between ghosting-no contact and Very low contact with Smother until she finally managed to hit all of the egregious buttons at once (lying, manipulating, gaslighting, a couple felonies, and general creepy, entitled, aggressively inappropriate behavior towards our peers and our students, so young men 25-40 years younger than herself, to name a few of that Cluster of WTF.)

So I'm now 18 months past ending contact and official 'divorce.' The first MDay was hard. This one was much easier, and I'm glad it's finally done. I realized this year that despite the emotional and often physical neglect, we were better off, because the Asshat and Smother focused most of their attentions on each other, and got most of their narcissistic supply by creating drama between and to each other, not us. In the choice between being ignored except when we served her vanity, or being the focus of her vanities, being mostly ignored served us much better.

When I get that "but she's your mooooooommmmm" speech, I can finally just say, "and be glad she isn't yours."

I enjoy the inexpensive cut spring flowers and the good sales on making supplies. I like picking up tulips for cheap and having them for a few days. 30% off yarn and fabric never hurts.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
40. Congrats on 18 months !! Many more to you . People with functioning mothers will try to
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:25 AM
May 2017

tell you that there will be regrets or you are missing out on something good because they have no clue
The only regrets I have seen are people who get sucked back in by bad parents expecting different results with the parents and of course do not get them .
In one friend's case reuniting just led to depression . He wished he had ignored the pleas because it of course was still a bad scene and left him very depressed for about a year after that .

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
45. I get you
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:49 AM
May 2017

I do a lot of things out of obligation to my mother, because I'm the oldest and the only one of her three children she lives near.

I resent it. I resent that she still tells me regularly that I'm raising my kids wrong, that she was a stellar mother and I was simply a really, really bad child.

I'm 50 years old and I still feel trapped every time I see her name on caller ID. Oh, and she's only 15 years older than I am, so she'll be around probably until I die.

I adore my MIL, who, while sometimes a little snappish, is a wonderful, supportive woman, or was before dementia took hold.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
46. I appreciate threads like this and others...
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:54 AM
May 2017

It's difficult for many people to understand. And now that I am a mother myself, it's even harder for me to understand! People close to me don't ask about my mother anymore. It's a strange place to be in.

But I am very fortunate to have a near perfect mother-in-law who has shown me love and kindness and acceptance for 25 years now. I am grateful for that.



MountainMama

(237 posts)
50. Therapy....
Mon May 15, 2017, 04:15 PM
May 2017

lots and lots of therapy.

For years, I labored under the impression that I was a rotten person because I dared to have sex before I got married, am on my third marriage and had the temerity to move across the country. My dad is no prize either, but at least you always knew where you stood with him. My mom is the queen of the silent treatment, not to mention passive/aggressiveness.

She's a Christian, but the type that uses it as a weapon. So to her, I'm the whore of Babylon.

She told me I "must be antisocial" when I was being picked on and ostracized at school. I was six years old.

She always found a way to run down/belittle everything I did. Since her temper wasn't as monstrous as my dad's, I always thought she was the good guy.

It's only after a lot of perspective and therapy to realize that she's a very angry woman and probably resentful of me for doing what she felt she couldn't--escape a rotten marriage.

I hate both Mother's Day and Father's Day. I was a glorified farmhand, not a loved child.

And now it's compounded by everyone assuming I'm a mom, too. That's a whole 'nother post.

Hugs.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
51. hugs to all of you, Been there, done that , got the tee shirt.
Mon May 15, 2017, 05:31 PM
May 2017

But I am just glad it seems I may not have followed in my mother's footsteps. My kids speak to me, come to dinner occasionally, call on Mother's day, and have turned out to be great people in many ways. AHHHHH!

Upthevibe

(8,035 posts)
53. I wish I could give you a big, big hug....I'm glad the day is over. I highly recommend an article
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:32 AM
May 2017

I read I believe it was on the Huff Post a few years ago. You could probably google it. It really, really made me feel so much better. I hope you can find it. And, don't even try to explain to others....there's just no point.

bikebloke

(5,260 posts)
54. Mine was a fucking monster...to put it nicely.
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:48 PM
May 2017

Pure hatred. I endured much verbal and physical violence. My crime - growing taller and more educated than her. My father was the lesser of evils, but that's another story.

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