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justaprogressive

(7,164 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:11 AM Dec 2023

...and before Richard Thompson there was Davy Graham: Maajun (A Taste of Tangier)



Davy's "Angi" was the standard for playing out in the folk clubs,

if you couldn't play it you didn't get the gig!



Paul Simon quoted this song on S&G's 2nd LP "Sounds of Silence"

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...and before Richard Thompson there was Davy Graham: Maajun (A Taste of Tangier) (Original Post) justaprogressive Dec 2023 OP
I'm Indiana's biggest Richard Thompson fan so Captain Zero Dec 2023 #1
you're welcome! justaprogressive Dec 2023 #2
Not Sure How The First One... ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #3
That would be justaprogressive Dec 2023 #4
Yeah, I Get That ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #5
We'll agree to disagree on that justaprogressive Dec 2023 #6
Yes, But... ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #7
Merely trying to place you justaprogressive Dec 2023 #8
Yeah, That Sounds Familiar ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #9
Exactly. justaprogressive Dec 2023 #10

Captain Zero

(8,952 posts)
1. I'm Indiana's biggest Richard Thompson fan so
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:09 PM
Dec 2023

I'll be giving these a listen when I get home. Thanks.

ProfessorGAC

(77,277 posts)
3. Not Sure How The First One...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:33 PM
Dec 2023

...is folk guitar. All that phrygian mode & drums played like a tabla. Maybe South Asian folk.
But, he was very skilled player.

justaprogressive

(7,164 posts)
4. That would be
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:47 PM
Dec 2023

Moroccan folk music...

The idea that folk music from other countries is not as valid as that from
the US and England, is a foreign concept to me.

He had influences.

Davy Graham: Virtuoso guitarist at the heart of the British folk revival whose playing influenced a generation has died. To many American listeners Mr. Graham’s best-known piece of music is “Anji,” a guitar solo that Paul Simon performed on Simon and Garfunkel’s 1966 album “Sounds of Silence.” But Mr. Graham’s blend of Celtic music with blues, jazz, spiky syncopations and Eastern modes — he called it folk-Baroque — has been widely influential since the early 1960s, particularly with musicians who sought to revitalize and extend British folk traditions. Among them were Pentangle, Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Martin Carthy and the guitarist Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin.

Mr. Graham popularized what guitarists call the DADGAD tuning, named for the notes on the six strings from lowest to highest; the standard tuning is EADGBE. The DADGAD tuning, introduced on recordings by Mr. Graham’s 1962 version of the traditional song “She Moved Through the Fair,” facilitates modal chords with the resonance of open strings. It has been used widely in traditionalist music as well as in rock by Led Zeppelin and others.

David Michael Gordon Graham was born in Hinckley, Leicestershire, England, and grew up in London. His mother was Guyanese, and his father was Scottish. He took classical-guitar lessons and also learned from a Moroccan-influenced guitarist, Steve Benbow.


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/arts/music/19graham.html

ProfessorGAC

(77,277 posts)
5. Yeah, I Get That
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:57 PM
Dec 2023

But, I've heard Moroccan folk music & this isn't it.
Ergo, he's not playing folk music here.
Amalgamation of disparate influences is much closer to jazz.

justaprogressive

(7,164 posts)
6. We'll agree to disagree on that
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:02 PM
Dec 2023

I agree with the writer:

Graham’s blend of Celtic music with blues, jazz, spiky syncopations and Eastern modes — he called it folk-Baroque — has been widely influential since the early 1960s, particularly with musicians who sought to revitalize and extend British folk traditions. Among them were Pentangle, Fairport Convention, John Martyn, Martin Carthy and the guitarist Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin.

P.S. I may be mistaken but didn't you say you were a rock musician?

ProfessorGAC

(77,277 posts)
7. Yes, But...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:05 PM
Dec 2023

...I was originally a jazz piano player, so my tastes are pretty broad.
What does that have to do with anything?

justaprogressive

(7,164 posts)
8. Merely trying to place you
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:26 PM
Dec 2023

from a past conversaton...

This is traditional Moroccan Chaabi Folk music.

ProfessorGAC

(77,277 posts)
9. Yeah, That Sounds Familiar
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:40 PM
Dec 2023

Especially the drum work.
It's not quite as divergent from western music as Persian or Arabian, which are true 9 tone scales.
This still appears to be 12 tone, but very modal, mostly phrygian or locrian.
I use those a lot myself, despite being a rock guitarist/jazz piano player.
On one of my recordings, I play a recurring riff that flats everything but the tonic. Sounds like Saladin's walk-up music.

justaprogressive

(7,164 posts)
10. Exactly.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:48 AM
Dec 2023

very similar to what Mr. Graham was attempting.

I really do recommend (if you haven't) listening to Davy's
seminal LP "Folk Blues and Beyond" at that time in 1964
I had already been playing guitar for three years (after 2ys
recorder and 6yrs of piano) and Maajun really knocked my
socks off, just like three years before in London, when I first heard
SKA in the form of "My Boy Lollipop".

These two songs started my lifelong study (and performance)
of ALL world music. I played with everybody.

Solo Folk
Folk-Rock
Rock
Blues Rock
Classic Blues
Reggae
Afro-Beat
Funk
Christian Rock
Southern Rock/Country
and Back to Reggaeton/Dubstep/Dancehall/Reggae Fusion





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