Music Appreciation
Related: About this forumRIP Tim Bogert. Bassist for Jeff Beck, Vanilla Fudge and the criminally overlooked Cactus
Passed last night at 76
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)Sounds like a wanna-be Led Zeppelin band to me. In all fairness, theyre not the only band to have been influenced by Zeppelin.
Thanks for bringing Cactus to my attention.
-Laelth
ETA: Cactus and Led Zeppelin are contemporaneous, and theres a serious argument to be made that Cactus drummer, Carmine Appice, heavily influenced John Bonham (and not the other way around). Interesting.
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)A bunch of bands sounded similar in the late 60s to early 70s
On the other hand, loud, slow blues jams are awesome - even when the object is to "heavy metalize" Little Richard's biggest hit
After the Jeff Beck Group imploded, Jeff hired Cactus to be his backing band - Then he kept Tim and Drummer Carmine Appice as his band for a few more years after that
ETA * Influenced by the SAME things* cripes
bullimiami
(13,089 posts)Dig The Bag. I love that thing. Wish someone would reissue a modern version with the same look.
pwb
(11,261 posts)someone in that lifestyle. I was a Vanilla Fudge fan.
Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)livetohike
(22,142 posts)B,B &A. Thanks for all of the music.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)Bogart is one of the giants of 70's rock as I knew it.
Seemed like he was on a ton of records I had.
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)Jamming
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)Warren Haynes
RIP TIM BOGERT
When Govt Mule formed in 1994, as a side project to the Allman Brothers Band, we could have chosen a direction based on any of our many influences, after all our intent was to only make one album. But, as most of you know, the impetus came from a conversation on the tour bus between myself and Allen Woody while listening to Hendrix or Cream (still cant remember which) when Woody brought up the fact that, at that time, nobody was doing that' anymore.
By that he meant exploring the art of the power trio which is not the greatest descriptive term for a rock trio that bases its style around improvisation but one that seems to have stuck through the years nonetheless.
Part of the conversation as well was the absence in rock music at that time, of the dirty bass sound that we all grew up with. We agreed during this meandering of the minds that most of our favorite musicand not just rock musicwas driven by a bass sound that varied between "somewhat dirty" and "very dirty".
We went on to surmise and opine that as the bass sound in rock music got cleaner and cleaner (starting somewhere in the mid to late seventies) the bass players role became less important and the music became more and more sterile.
Coincidence? I think not. Think about it: the bass on early soul records had a nastiness to it. Paul McCartneys bass sound in the Beatles was beautifully distorted. John Entwistles sound in the Who was a uniquely dirty sound all its own that drove that music.
But then some people would take it even further. Bassists like Jack Bruce of Cream, Chris Squire of Yes, Jack Casady of Hot Tuna and Felix Pappalardi of Mountain come to mind. And again not just in rock music. Bootsy Collins and Larry Graham were going full-tilt fuzz bass in the funk scene as well.
And then we heard Tim Bogert. Tim Bogerts bass sound (and style for that matter) was "very dirty and BADASS! One of the many topics of this aforementioned rambling discussion on the tour bus was about how a great musicians sound not only reflects his or her personality but also gives him or her freedom to be themselves and explore at will.
Speaking of bass players specifically, having a massive sonic presence that rivals the guitar and the drums allows, if not inspires, the bass player to take a much more aggressive role which can add creative and exciting depth and dimensions to any music and is mandatory in a power trio.
Take any of the aforementioned bands and imagine the songsespecially the jamswith a less explosive bass sound and bass player. The music would pale in comparison.
As a guitar player whos been fortunate to have played with more than my share of bassists that fall into this category (one of which was Tim Bogert)
I know first-hand that what youre capable of as a soloist depends largely on who youre playing with. Having played over 1200 shows with Allen Woody, I can testify to the fact that his ability and instinct to push me as a soloist was based on a philosophy and style he developed from countless hours listening to his heroesone of which (along with everybody mentioned earlier) was Tim Bogert.
The way Tim played with Carmine Appice created an energy that the soloist had no choice but to engagebe it Jeff Beck or Jim McCarty, or whoever. In Beck, Bogert, and Appice the guitar solos were three way conversations between Jeff, Tim, and Carmine where what each member played was inspired by whatever the others were playing.
In Cactus, Jim McCarty could soar over the top of this borderline chaotic rhythm section and do what he does bestsing through his guitar, holding notes as long as he wants, knowing there would always be something exciting going on beneath him a similar luxury to the one Eric Clapton had in Cream with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker.
Tim Bogert was a giant among bass players and I will argue that he never got the credit he deserved but his contribution to rock music is undeniable. His influence will be felt for decades to come.-WH
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)Raw, aggressive, and great playing.
The one thing you'll probably hate me for was I didn't like their version of Superstition.
I so love the original Stevie version so much, nothing else compares. Even though Jeff is playing on that version with Stevie.
Black Cat Moan is awesome!
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)But Jeff Beck's version - And SRV's take in the 80s were cool too
Those alternate takes were just excuses to jam, but Stevie's was the actual song
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)...my version of Goin' Down by the JBG.
I have drums, bass and main rhythm guitar done.
Have a second funky rhythm part, organ, lead guitar & vocals to do.
Subbing tomorrow, so no progress until at least Saturday.
Gotta get this & another 2 done before golf season starts. After that, it'll take 8 weeks per song!!!
That JBG album with Bob Tench on vocals is awesome!