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RIP Tim Bogert. Bassist for Jeff Beck, Vanilla Fudge and the criminally overlooked Cactus (Original Post) The Polack MSgt Jan 2021 OP
😢 blm Jan 2021 #1
Never heard of Cactus before (criminally overlooked). Laelth Jan 2021 #2
Cactus formed in 1969, so maybe LZ and Cactus were influenced by things. but as you say - The Polack MSgt Jan 2021 #8
Not to forget bullimiami Jan 2021 #3
76 is a good life for pwb Jan 2021 #4
RIP Alacritous Crier Jan 2021 #5
RIP Tim. One of the best concerts I ever saw was livetohike Jan 2021 #6
RIP Tim Loge23 Jan 2021 #7
Here he was just before his 70th birthday The Polack MSgt Jan 2021 #9
Warren Haynes (Allman Brothers, Govt Mule) with his tribute to Tim The Polack MSgt Jan 2021 #10
That First BBA Album Was Cool! ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #11
I prefer Stevie's take as well The Polack MSgt Jan 2021 #12
I Just Started Recording... ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #13

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. Never heard of Cactus before (criminally overlooked).
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jan 2021

Sounds like a wanna-be Led Zeppelin band to me. In all fairness, they’re not the only band to have been influenced by Zeppelin.

Thanks for bringing Cactus to my attention.



-Laelth


ETA: Cactus and Led Zeppelin are contemporaneous, and there’s a serious argument to be made that Cactus’ drummer, Carmine Appice, heavily influenced John Bonham (and not the other way around). Interesting.

The Polack MSgt

(13,188 posts)
8. Cactus formed in 1969, so maybe LZ and Cactus were influenced by things. but as you say -
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:14 PM
Jan 2021

A bunch of bands sounded similar in the late 60s to early 70s

On the other hand, loud, slow blues jams are awesome - even when the object is to "heavy metalize" Little Richard's biggest hit



After the Jeff Beck Group imploded, Jeff hired Cactus to be his backing band - Then he kept Tim and Drummer Carmine Appice as his band for a few more years after that




ETA * Influenced by the SAME things* cripes

bullimiami

(13,089 posts)
3. Not to forget
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jan 2021
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Dig “The Bag”. I love that thing. Wish someone would reissue a modern version with the same look.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
7. RIP Tim
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:14 PM
Jan 2021

Bogart is one of the giants of 70's rock as I knew it.
Seemed like he was on a ton of records I had.

The Polack MSgt

(13,188 posts)
10. Warren Haynes (Allman Brothers, Govt Mule) with his tribute to Tim
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 05:27 PM
Jan 2021

Warren Haynes

RIP TIM BOGERT
When Gov’t Mule formed in 1994, as a side project to the Allman Brothers Band, we could have chosen a direction based on any of our many influences, after all our intent was to only make one album. But, as most of you know, the impetus came from a conversation on the tour bus between myself and Allen Woody while listening to Hendrix or Cream (still can’t remember which) when Woody brought up the fact that, at that time, ‘nobody was doing ‘that' anymore’.

By ‘that’ he meant exploring the art of the “power trio” which is not the greatest descriptive term for a rock trio that bases its’ style around improvisation but one that seems to have stuck through the years nonetheless.

Part of the conversation as well was the absence in rock music at that time, of the “dirty bass” sound that we all grew up with. We agreed during this meandering of the minds that most of our favorite music—and not just rock music—was driven by a bass sound that varied between "somewhat dirty" and "very dirty".

We went on to surmise and opine that as the bass sound in rock music got cleaner and cleaner (starting somewhere in the mid to late seventies) the bass player’s role became less important and the music became more and more sterile.

Coincidence? I think not. Think about it: the bass on early soul records had a nastiness to it. Paul McCartney’s bass sound in the Beatles was beautifully distorted. John Entwistle’s sound in the Who was a uniquely dirty sound all its’ own that drove that music.
But then some people would take it even further. Bassists like Jack Bruce of Cream, Chris Squire of Yes, Jack Casady of Hot Tuna and Felix Pappalardi of Mountain come to mind. And again not just in rock music. Bootsy Collins and Larry Graham were going full-tilt fuzz bass in the funk scene as well.

And then we heard Tim Bogert. Tim Bogert’s bass sound (and style for that matter) was "very dirty”— and BADASS! One of the many topics of this aforementioned rambling discussion on the tour bus was about how a great musician’s sound not only reflects his or her personality but also gives him or her freedom to be themselves and explore at will.

Speaking of bass players specifically, having a massive sonic presence that rivals the guitar and the drums allows, if not inspires, the bass player to take a much more aggressive role which can add creative and exciting depth and dimensions to any music and is mandatory in a “power trio”.

Take any of the aforementioned bands and imagine the songs—especially the jams—with a less explosive bass sound and bass player. The music would pale in comparison.

As a guitar player who’s been fortunate to have played with more than my share of bassists that fall into this category (one of which was Tim Bogert)

I know first-hand that what you’re capable of as a soloist depends largely on who you’re playing with. Having played over 1200 shows with Allen Woody, I can testify to the fact that his ability and instinct to push me as a soloist was based on a philosophy and style he developed from countless hours listening to his heroes—one of which (along with everybody mentioned earlier) was Tim Bogert.

The way Tim played with Carmine Appice created an energy that the soloist had no choice but to engage—be it Jeff Beck or Jim McCarty, or whoever. In Beck, Bogert, and Appice the guitar solos were three way conversations between Jeff, Tim, and Carmine where what each member played was inspired by whatever the others were playing.

In Cactus, Jim McCarty could soar over the top of this borderline chaotic rhythm section and do what he does best—sing through his guitar, holding notes as long as he wants, knowing there would always be something exciting going on beneath him— a similar luxury to the one Eric Clapton had in Cream with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker.

Tim Bogert was a giant among bass players and I will argue that he never got the credit he deserved but his contribution to rock music is undeniable. His influence will be felt for decades to come.”-WH

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
11. That First BBA Album Was Cool!
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 06:34 PM
Jan 2021

Raw, aggressive, and great playing.
The one thing you'll probably hate me for was I didn't like their version of Superstition.
I so love the original Stevie version so much, nothing else compares. Even though Jeff is playing on that version with Stevie.
Black Cat Moan is awesome!

The Polack MSgt

(13,188 posts)
12. I prefer Stevie's take as well
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jan 2021

But Jeff Beck's version - And SRV's take in the 80s were cool too

Those alternate takes were just excuses to jam, but Stevie's was the actual song

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
13. I Just Started Recording...
Thu Jan 14, 2021, 09:36 PM
Jan 2021

...my version of Goin' Down by the JBG.
I have drums, bass and main rhythm guitar done.
Have a second funky rhythm part, organ, lead guitar & vocals to do.
Subbing tomorrow, so no progress until at least Saturday.
Gotta get this & another 2 done before golf season starts. After that, it'll take 8 weeks per song!!!
That JBG album with Bob Tench on vocals is awesome!

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