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truth2power

(8,219 posts)
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:16 PM May 2013

Recently purchased DSLR. Need recommendations/opinions for lenses...

I recently purchased a Nikon D3100 with the kit lens (18-55mm).

My primary interest right now is close-up photography, i.e., flowers, insects etc. I want to be able to achieve a very shallow depth of field - blur or fade out the background. The largest possible aperture on the kit lens is 5.6 and if there's any way of working with depth of field on that, I don't know how to achieve it.

What would be the most versatile fast lens that I could get to give me depth of field functionality as well as a good walking around lens? Preferably in the $200 range. I'm not looking for professional quality in the optics. Should I try to sell the kit lens and get something that has more all-around utility?

As an aside, I used a film SLR back in the day, but I'm having difficulty with all the digital stuff. Any ideas?

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Recently purchased DSLR. Need recommendations/opinions for lenses... (Original Post) truth2power May 2013 OP
I don't have a suggestion for a macro lens justiceischeap May 2013 #1
Thanks so much! You've given me a world of information in your post. First of all... truth2power May 2013 #3
I bought the package too with my D5100. justiceischeap May 2013 #6
The D3100 has a lot compared to the old film SLR's liberal N proud May 2013 #2
Trying to master it. Tell me about it... truth2power May 2013 #5
The trick with the flash is to take control away from the camera. ManiacJoe May 2013 #7
Canon is much better in that respect. RC May 2013 #10
Thank you for the input. Good to know this before I get too heavily into extra lenses etc... truth2power May 2013 #11
I have two lenses NV Whino May 2013 #4
have you tried extension tubes for macro work rdking647 May 2013 #8
Don't underestimate the lens you already have Major Nikon May 2013 #9
Thanks. I tried that at f 5.6 and it worked....cereal box behind a candle stick... truth2power May 2013 #12
a nifty-fifty - here is a good article explaining why DrDan May 2013 #13
The 50mm may not be the best for any cropped-sensor DSLR. ManiacJoe May 2013 #14
Hi, maniacjoe. I thought I replied to your post, but it disappeared. I don't know what happened... truth2power May 2013 #17
Good morning, DrDan. Thank you for that extraordinarily helpful article.... truth2power May 2013 #16
50mm vs 35mm ManiacJoe May 2013 #18
I'm leaning toward the 35mm, but one more question... truth2power May 2013 #19
The lack of an aperture ring ManiacJoe May 2013 #20
the other post makes sense . . . but I use the following 50mm with my D5100 DrDan May 2013 #21
Dang, nobody's mentioned the 35/1.8 yet! sir pball May 2013 #15

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. I don't have a suggestion for a macro lens
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:25 PM
May 2013

but I do have a suggestion for where to purchase a lens. I get all my used gear from KEH (http://www.keh.com). It's based in Atlanta, I believe, and they have decent prices and quality gear. I've yet to have a problem with anything I've purchased from them and it's saved me tons of money in doing so. The nice thing about the Nikons (I guess Canon too) is you can use older manual focus lenses on them if you so desire (another cost-saving tactic).

The kit lens isn't a bad little lens but if you don't need it or expect to use it, then I'd get rid of it but I don't suspect you'll get much for it since they're dozens of them on all the sites. Everyone is dumping their kit lenses.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
3. Thanks so much! You've given me a world of information in your post. First of all...
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:48 PM
May 2013

I had a verbal discussion with someone who mentioned KEH, but I didn't write it down and couldn't remember the name. Duh! So thanks for that.

Also, I was wondering whether one could use a manual focus lens. It seem that the only thing you'd be missing would be having the camera focus for you, and on my old film SLR I always had to do my own focusing. So, it's all good in that respect.

Also, I think you're correct about the kit lens. Seems everybody is trying to get rid of theirs. In retrospect, I probably would have been better off to just purchase the body and get the lens separately.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
6. I bought the package too with my D5100.
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:12 PM
May 2013

The kit lens isn't bad. It's a good little lens for going out and about -- it's basically a 35mm equivalent of 27mm - 80mm (roughly). I have the same lens and find I can do better "macro-ish" shots with it than other lenses in my arsenal. I generally save my macro-ish shots for my Lumix GX1 and it's 17mm (34mm equiv) pancake lens.

Example of 17mm 2.8 lens bokeh and close up ability:


Also, another thing you may lose, depending on how old you go for manual lenses, is metering. You may have to do that on your own too.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
5. Trying to master it. Tell me about it...
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:09 PM
May 2013


I've been practically in tears from time to time. Here's one major issue:

The flash function. It appeared, from the menu, that there were several modes where it wasn't possible to turn the flash OFF. Well, that wouldn't work in situations where flash is not allowed, like in a church etc.

So I went online and found that there were a boatload of entries from people who couldn't figure out the flash. It took me about two hours and actually constructing my own flowchart to figure it out. Yes, the flash can be reliably disabled, but it takes different techniques to do it.

What's annoying is that I could write better documentation than what Nikon has on this.

I wonder if Canon is better in this respect.

Thanks for the link.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
7. The trick with the flash is to take control away from the camera.
Tue May 7, 2013, 04:18 PM
May 2013

When in "auto" mode, the camera controls everything including the flash. In P, A, S, M modes you get to choose whether or not the flash is used. If you like "auto" mode, "P" is better because you get to tweak the camera's suggestion.

I don't use the scene modes, so I cannot speak to their flash usage. A great site for all things Nikon is Nikonians.org.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
10. Canon is much better in that respect.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

I have a Power Shot S95. Press the Flash Icon on the back and you have a choice of Auto, On, Slow sync and Off.

My Rebel T3i has a position on the shooting mode wheel next to the 'Auto', that is also 'Full Auto', but without the flash.
'Program' is only flash when you raise it. Otherwise it is off. (It can be programed to be On)

I have never used a Nikon that I liked. They all have little idiocies idiosyncrasies that just annoy me no end.
They just are not intuitive for me. Canon is.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
11. Thank you for the input. Good to know this before I get too heavily into extra lenses etc...
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

I bought the Nikon b/c it was less expensive. End of story. Maybe having second thoughts, I don't know.

ETA> Took a quick look at some of your pics. Extraordinary! Love the snake/ lily pads one.

Short on time right now, but will come back later to view them all.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
4. I have two lenses
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:05 PM
May 2013

28 - 200 and a 60mm micro, as Nikon lenses are called.

Perfect combination for me. The micro is a beautiful lens, although I paid around $500 for it several years ago.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Don't underestimate the lens you already have
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:29 PM
May 2013

The Nikon 18-55 is a very nice lens and has a very good reproduction ratio, which means it isn't a bad "macro" lens.

Try this experiment. Set your camera to manual focus and set the 18-55 to its minimum focusing distance by rotating the focus ring to its stop. Now focus on a small object by moving the camera back and forth until your subject comes into focus. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how the 18-55 performs in this regard. You may learn that you really don't need a "macro" lens right now.

At minimum focusing distances, shallow depth of field is not a problem to achieve. I'm typically at f/8 or f/16 in those situations which is the sweet spot for the 18-55.

I don't recommend you sell the 18-55. They aren't worth much in the used market since everyone wants to unload them and because it's a very underrated lens.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
12. Thanks. I tried that at f 5.6 and it worked....cereal box behind a candle stick...
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:57 PM
May 2013

I see what you mean. Guess I'll have to work with its functionality a little more.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. The 50mm may not be the best for any cropped-sensor DSLR.
Sun May 12, 2013, 02:50 AM
May 2013

On the cropped-sensor bodies, 50mm is kind of an odd-ball length if you are not using it for a short portrait lens. For these bodies, the 35mm may be a better option depending on your shooting style. On the full-frame bodies, the 50mm is a great lens.

The article is good on everything else.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
17. Hi, maniacjoe. I thought I replied to your post, but it disappeared. I don't know what happened...
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:44 PM
May 2013

Look at my post #16. Yes, I am wondering about the 35mm vs. the 50mm.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
16. Good morning, DrDan. Thank you for that extraordinarily helpful article....
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:26 PM
May 2013

I read it and then spent about two hours last night following one link or another and trying to educate myself about all this. Eventually, my brain turned to mush and I gave up and went to bed.

So, I'm back, and here's what I know so far:

Here are the 3 nikon lenses in the article -


•Nikon 50mm f/1.8D AF Nikkor Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras
•Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.4G SIC SW Prime Nikkor Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras
•Nikon 50mm f/1.2 Nikkor AI-S Manual Focus Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras

The f/1.4 & the f/1.2 are $439. and $719 respectively. Way out of my price range. The f/1.8D is $128. and seems like a very nice lens.

This is probably the place to say that the small pictures to the left of the screen on Amazon where various lenses are shown are EXACTLY the type of pics I'm interested in (closeups of leaves, pets etc.), so I guess I'm on the right track.

I spent a LOT of time looking up lens acronyms and various definitions, i.e., sensor size, crop factor, dx vs. fx and on and on.

I found some other lenses, too...

This: http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-35mm-1-8G-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001S2PPT0/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368323672&sr=1-3&keywords=nikon+50mm+f%2F1.8

and this: http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-50mm-Nikkor-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00005LEN4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1K6PN9KTPQT6G&coliid=IP9Q8MBG205MZ This may be the same as one above, I don't know.

I guess my D3100 is a DX format (thus the 'D' ) with a crop factor that makes a 35mm effectively like a 50 mm? 1.5 magnification?

So, would it be better to look for a 35mm as the poster below suggests?

Does it really matter if the lens is auto-focus? I mean, with my old film SLR I always had to focus manually.

Do you have any preference with the links I've given? I don't know how anyone ever manages to purchase the appropriate lens.

Any further help would be most appreciated. There's a butterfly exhibit going on at my local arboretum for the next few weeks, and I'd sure like to get some decent pics there. Thanks again.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
18. 50mm vs 35mm
Sun May 12, 2013, 04:17 PM
May 2013

The D in D3100 stands for "digital".

For the size, weight, sharpness, and price, the Nikon 50mm f/1.8 is a great buy. The 35mm is a more natural length (the "normal" lens) on a DX camera, while the 50mm can be used as a short portrait telephoto on a DX camera. Your shooting style comes into play here as to which would be more useful. For me, if the 35mm DX lens had existed when I was still using a DX body, I would have gotten that one instead of the 50mm, which I use a bit more now that I have gone full-frame.

For most DSLR users, auto-focus matters. For the youngsters because they don't have the manual focus experience. For us old fogies because the focus screens in DSLRs are not made for manual focus and lack all the focus aids that film SLRs had. (Alternative focus screens for some DSLRs can be purchased from third parties.) Regardless of the lens you get, I recommend the AF-S version for the D3100 and any other body without a focus motor in it.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
19. I'm leaning toward the 35mm, but one more question...
Sun May 12, 2013, 05:48 PM
May 2013

That one I linked to, the f/1.8G

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-35mm-1-8G-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001S2PPT0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1K6PN9KTPQT6G&coliid=I3M8SNXLUCT4WA

The G means it doesn't have an aperture ring. I don't know what the significance of that is. Does it matter?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
20. The lack of an aperture ring
Sun May 12, 2013, 05:54 PM
May 2013

means nothing to DSLRs. The aperture is controlled via the camera dials. If the lens had an aperture ring, the camera would require it be locked at the smallest aperture and still be controlled via the camera dials.

For the some of the old film cameras, the aperture ring can be important.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
21. the other post makes sense . . . but I use the following 50mm with my D5100
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:11 PM
May 2013
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_Nikkor_AF-S_50mm_f1-8G.

It is in the $200 range and, obviously, does autofocus.

I would definitely recommend auto-focus. While you may manually focus most of the time, there are times when you just don't have time to fool with it and the auto-focus relieves you of one thing.

I take this lens almost every time I go out to shoot - along with either an 18-55, 55-200, or 70-300. I will probably replace those zooms with an 18-300 but will keep the 50mm. Nice and light, fast, good results.

sir pball

(4,741 posts)
15. Dang, nobody's mentioned the 35/1.8 yet!
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:23 PM
May 2013

AF-S 35mm/f1.8 - it's the classic fast 50 redesigned specifically for DX cameras. I paid ~240 out the door but I bought in-person in NYC because almost nobody had it in stock. If you aren't in NY, B&H has it for $196, in stock.

It's one of the most brilliant lenses I've ever used; at 1.8 and ISO 6400 I can shoot handheld at night outdoors; at 5.6-8 during the day it's painfully sharp. And since it's a prime, you're forced to think about composition a bit more - no twiddling the zoom ring for you!

ETA - Pick up a set of electronically-coupled extension tubes, can be had for well under $100, and you have up to a 1:1 macro lens.

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