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SunSeeker

(51,368 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:31 AM Jun 2018

Police Shoot Man Holding Knife to Woman's Throat, Killing Him and Critically Injuring Her

Responding officers repeatedly told the man to drop the knife but he did not let go of the weapon, according to Shepard, who said the police fired nonlethal rounds.

Hamilton confirmed the officers talked to the man and fired bean-bag rounds. But police felt the woman’s life was in imminent danger, so they ultimately opened fire with live ammunition, Hamilton said.

“There wasn’t an opportunity to de-escalate the situation,” Preciado said. “Whenever someone is assaulting someone with a sharp weapon … officers are forced to take action.”

The gunshots struck the man and the woman; both were hospitalized in critical condition. The man, who has not been identified, died at the hospital.

http://ktla.com/2018/06/16/police-shoot-suspect-in-van-nuys-3-people-hospitalized/

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Ok, the bean bags didn't work. So LAPD is out of pepper spray? WTF? They couldn't pepper spray this dude? With a face full of pepper spray, he would dropped the knife and grabbed his eyes. Sure she would have been pepper sprayed too, but she wouldn't be in critical condition in a hospital with bullet wounds. And the mentally disturbed suspect would still be alive, and could have been placed in treatment instead of a grave.

What the hell is going on with police training?

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Police Shoot Man Holding Knife to Woman's Throat, Killing Him and Critically Injuring Her (Original Post) SunSeeker Jun 2018 OP
I'm not certain it is all that obvious that pepper spray would have been better RockRaven Jun 2018 #1
Pepper spray blinds you, makes you immediately grab for your eyes,and scream in agony. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #3
It also requires getting very close to the perp. JayhawkSD Jun 2018 #5
There's sprays that shoot quite far, and then there's shootable tear gas canisters. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #6
Chief said the whole damn thing was really ringing up the overtime, you understand ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #2
Where have I heard of this before ..... marble falls Jun 2018 #4
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #7

RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
1. I'm not certain it is all that obvious that pepper spray would have been better
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:51 AM
Jun 2018

How are we to be so certain he drops the knife as opposed to cringing/muscle contractions which could have cut her throat? Of course, the exact same thing could be said for bullets.

And I suspect after a failed attempt at using bean-bag rounds, any hostage's danger quotient goes through the roof. That decision should be looked at too.

That being said, any time a hostage ends up in critical care, a suspect ends up dead, and police fired their weapons, an OBJECTIVE investigation -- with the juice/leverage to do actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FINDINGS -- is warranted. I'm not sure either of those criteria is ever satisfactorily met when it comes to cop shootings.

SunSeeker

(51,368 posts)
3. Pepper spray blinds you, makes you immediately grab for your eyes,and scream in agony.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 03:51 AM
Jun 2018

He would no longer even be able to see the woman's neck, let alone be interested in stabbing it.

Here, this video explains the effects and shows how it's done, by a wonderful Hawaiian cop:



 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
5. It also requires getting very close to the perp.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

Watch the film clip you provide. The guard waits until the perp is within arm's lenght before using the spray.

He's going the stand there, not harming the hostage, and let the cop get close enough to pepper spray him? I don't think so. In most hostage situations the perp is screaming, "Don't come any closer," or "Stay back. Stay back."

Additionally, it also gets on the hostage and makes them move involuntarily in unpredictable manner, leading the the perp using the knife.

Thirdly, although the pepper spray may very well make the perpetrator, "immediately grab for [his] eyes,and scream in agony," there is no guarantee that he won't use the knife before doing so, as using the knife takes less than a second and he is very focused on doing that.

SunSeeker

(51,368 posts)
6. There's sprays that shoot quite far, and then there's shootable tear gas canisters.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jun 2018

If she was in a shed, they could have,sprayed tear gas/mace into the shed through a door slit or vent.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Chief said the whole damn thing was really ringing up the overtime, you understand ...
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:54 AM
Jun 2018

It was time to end the 'situation' and pass the ongoing bill onto some other dept/agency ... money don't grow on trees, ya know?

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
4. Where have I heard of this before .....
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 08:02 AM
Jun 2018

A famous quote from the Vietnam War was a statement attributed to an unnamed U.S. officer by AP correspondent Peter Arnett in his writing about Bến Tre city on 7 February 1968:

'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it', a United States major said today. He was talking about the decision by allied commanders to bomb and shell the town regardless of civilian casualties, to rout the Vietcong.[3]

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