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itsrigged

(116 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 PM Jul 2012

People need to see these U-tube videos on voting machine rigging of elections by venders...

"We the people" will never get our government back from Big Corporate Money and corrupt politicians who accept it in exchange for legislating tax breaks for the rich million and billion dollar corporations if we keep casting our vote on the voting machine... these crooks own them... we need to go back to the paper ballot and take a sledge hammer to the voting machine... as often as we vote, we do not need machines... all the poll workers in each polling place can count them like we use to before these vendors sold us a crock of shit.

Here is a link to Bev Harris' hacking democracy documentary ... a must see... it is about an hour movie and it aired on HBO several years ago... other major media stations would not air it... probably got law suit threats like fox did if they aired a documentary on Monsanto... I can give you a link to that video too if you like...

Everyone needs to see this and I think that after they watch it from start to finish they will never vote using a voting machine again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rVTXbARGXso


here is a link to more related u-tube videos

Bev Harris 400,000 votes missing in Wisconsin elections
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/voting-machine-fraud-nation-wide-wisconsin-included-u-tube-videos

Voting Machine fraud utube videos part 2
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/voting-machine-fraud-utube-videos-part-2

Kentucky Fried Elections
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/bev-harris-black-box-voting-org-released-video-ky-kentucky-fried-electio

Bev Harris on Coast to Coast AM Radio pod cast
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/bev-harris-coast-coast-am-tells-serious-threat-our-elections



The ballad of steve heller
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/ballad-steve-heller

Monsanto cover up by Fox News...
http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/overturn/blog/2012/07/why-fox-news-isnt-news-how-fox-fired-couple-reporters-over-negative-mons

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chknltl

(10,558 posts)
2. FBH? not sure what that means....
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:02 AM
Jul 2012

Follower of Bev Harris? Face book ho? Fred and Barney Hookshots...(never knew what their team name was but Fred was Twinkle Toes Flintstone)

Speculation aside, we need the electorate to wake up, itsrigged is spreading the word. True, he preaches to the choir here but imo what he preaches needs preaching. This DUer is glad to encourage him to soldier on. (besides, being the resident chicken little, I welcome the help and appreciate his style)

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
3. You may not know DU's history with Bev Harris
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jul 2012

Anyway, Minnesota still has paper ballots, although they are not hand-counted--unless there's a recount.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
6. I did a lttle research on our relationship with her.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jul 2012

She put the DU administration in an awkward position, (to say the least), and they bent over backwards for her, had I been here back then I would have urged otherwise. She more than earned her granite pizza.

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
7. That is the problem... if they are not hand counted in the first place but by opto scanner
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jul 2012

That is the problem... if they are not hand counted in the first place but by optic scanners, even the scanners can be programmed to provide false totals and can be rigged to percentage the results and flip votes to the party of the virus' choice... that way the print out of who won can match the memory card and the only way to prove fraud in that the count did not match the fill in the dot ballot that the machine scanned to total would be to had count of the fill in the dot paper ballots and compare it to the print out or what's on the memory card to see if the total votes cast match... so aside from a recount, we would never know if the machine had provided the correct results or that the results had been altered by a virus or a malicious program that had been installed off a tampered memory card that had been inserted to store the election results...

If no machines were used the results could not be hacked or tampered with and there would be no need for a hand count as it would have been a hand count that had counted the initial results...

Unless there is a recount by hand of the results a machine turned in we will not have the proof we need that the election had been stolen by a rigged machine... that gives the machines and those who rig them the power to dictate who the winner is and unless it is challenged, are the victor... and now they have made the machines many of the touch screens in such a manner that if there were a request for a recount, there would be no way to hand count unless all the printed receipts if printed for the voter of who they had voted for were turned in to be counted to see if they match the z'ed out till of the machine printout tape...to check the machine... What kind of bullshit is this? Now we find that there are foreign companies that own the machines and are counting our votes... Sledgehammer machine time anyone?

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
4. DU acronym "FRP" came from one of the admin, I used for Bev.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jul 2012

fuck bev harris. I found Du through her and Andy's work in 2004 and while she does, did, some good with voting stuff, her history here is not good. Too many lies and taking credit for other people's work.

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
8. Do you work for Diebold or do you have stock investments in voting machines?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jul 2012

Do you work for Diebold or do you have stock investments in voting machines?

tah tah ... no reason to want to get mad at someone who reveals their dirty deeds.

Bev Harris is a herro

&feature=player_detailpage
an hour and a half movie... 83 minutes !


http://blackboxvoting.org
 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
9. I just noticed in the beginning of this that a report said checksum error
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

checksum error on negative vote totals... despite the claim that it could not of been computer error because it only effected Al Gores vote totals on the scanned ballot, this was miss information to misslead those not understanding what a checksum error means when comparing the software on the machine to the original software that should of been on it... thus proving the machine had been tampered with and the software running on it changed or there would not of been a checksum error... why was this overlooked or not understood by the ones doing the investigating?

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
10. as a follow up to my own post...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jul 2012

The fact that there was a "checksum" error on the computer program running on the machine is proof the machine program to count the ballots as scanned had been altered from the original... that is my interpretation of what was not explained in or on the report and in fact, the implied notion is that a second memory card had been used... i.e., one that would have loaded a virus onto the machine to alter its checksum total when doing a checksum report on the contents of the program language on the machine to see if it had changed... the fact that the title of the report reported a "checksum error" is proof in itself the program had been altered... to find the altercation all they needed to do is compare the programs using software available by many prom program software utilities for burning chips and do a search to locate exactly where the program had been changed...

Need to take a second look at that checksum error report I think... find out who wrote the report and for them to clarify how it was detected...

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
11. You miss the point and can take your snark away. She was an asshole here, took credit for
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jul 2012

other's work, etc. That is why I say FBH.

As for your snark and insinuations, good luck getting much out of DU.

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
12. took credit for others work?
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jul 2012

How would I know that? I just joined a few days ago... maybe you could back that up and tell me whose work she took credit for.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
13. Info has been posted in reply to you here and on other thread. Or try doing your own research.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe start a topic in META asking about DU's history with her. You are young and it would be a learning experience.

Or maybe go through the replies to you on this and the other post on the same issue.

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
5. I also posted this in Places being Wisconsin... got a message from DU here was my reply...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

Thanks for the info, I also read the reply post giving me some history on the subject, as I am new to this social media site and did not know that Bev Harris had been getting into arguments regarding probable attacks on what she posted...

After reading it I concluded that she might of been trying to get the word out to inform people of what she had been discovering by whatever means possible to try and educate the voter why these machines cannot be trusted. It is obvious that unless you have a lot of money, you are not going to get much air time on any of the major television stations and many people do not read the daily paper...

I guess the greatest risk to America is for its citizens to remain ignorant. I know the corruption is deep in the gaming industry... you see it in the bars with the illegal video pokers and 8 liners... In fact, I was a technician for a game operator that supplied some of the bars in Wisconsin and I know that they are being used just as they are in the casinos.

Those machines in the bars can have their percentage of payout changed anytime by the operator by just flipping a few dip switches say at anytime of servicing or collecting... they have meters that record the amount of money going into the machine and they meter how much was knocked off or redeemed.... sure they do not have any obvious hopper to spit back coins but they all have that option to have a hopper added... the way they first worked was they had a so called knock off button usually on the back side of the machine... when a patron was ready to cash in, they would motion the bar tender who would witness the amount they had won, note it and then push the button to clear it and then pay them...

Well, to make things easier, Many of the machines have been fitted with a printer and players just print a redemption ticket and give it to the bar tender to collect their winnings... some of them that are paranoid about others witnessing this transaction have set some rules... some of them tell them to come back later or the next day and the money "cash" is put in an envelope so that when they are given it in the presents of other customers that may not know what is going on have no idea that that envelope is a cash payment for what was won on the machine.

In Wisconsin Governor Doyle (before Scott Walker) was trying to get these banned and out of the bars to limit the expansion of gambling. He almost succeeded by threatening to have the police confiscate them as illegal contraband if the machines were not out of the bars in X number of days as was printed in the Wisconsin State Journal at the time... the machines were pulled out of the bars as they were several times before for periods of times due to other threats of enforcement due to complaints prior to the ones leading up to the last ditch effort by Doyle to ban them from the bars and what happened is this; The gaming industry WAMO got together with the tavern league and deceived and lied about the machine claiming it was not a gambling device since the machine itself did not spit out any money like the ones in the casinos with hoppers... they won the court battle government leaders bought it hook line and sinker and changed the law from a felony to a mist meaner and legalized the machine for bars with a limit of only 6 machines per bar as the number not to be exceeded.

The gambling still goes on in the bars and government looks the other way and the new mist meaner laws now on the books are not enforced.... the law being that if anyone is caught gambling on these machines where in payments are being made to them by the personnel at the bar that they would be hit with a $500 fine per occurrence and per machine yet not risk loosing their liquor license as the faced before the new law that was passed which enabled the machines to be placed back into the bars after having had to of been pulled from all the bars as by the order of Governor Doyle...

The funny thing is many of these machines have had printers added that print out a paper trail of redemptive payout tickets which get redeemed just like the ones in the casinos... that is, the casinos (many of them) have disabled the hoppers and they no longer spit out coins or tokens for redemption to cash... instead, they print out a ticket which gets redeemed by the cashier... The same thing is going on with the voting machines... venders have sold their shit to ignorant naive county officials for the counting of the votes so as to do them this big favor in lightening their load of having to periodically count the peoples paper ballots as they had been doing with no complaints right on up to the advent of the machine that can screw you was offered as an option to consider by those that wanted to make a lot of money selling us shit we did not need for as often as a count was needed that had been working for hundreds of years...

After getting rich of the sale of them, they became corrupt... surprise surprise surprise... now that the seeds had been planted as in like manner by Monsanto, the sickle is being sharpened for to gather the clusters of the vine to reap the harvest of what in the mine of the controllers at control central stand to gain in exchange for rigging elections form those big spenders who line their pockets with super pack dollars to legislate favors... even nowadays from the bench... the same ones that threatened Fox New what would happen if they did or did not air the Monsanto report as they themselves dictate it should be re-written...

Rupert Murdock couldn't risk loosing all those advertising dollars now could he.... that is why citizens united is supported by the major news media stations as they look forward not to election time as it means mega dollars in political ad snippets from supper packs so why should they object and the rent is made worse by the blind following the blind for it is the blind that elect the blind as to the truth of what is going on since these are the ones that don't give a rats ass as to who and how many shall suffer as a result of all the pigs feeding at the troth... anything else I might add at this time I've reserved the right to hold till as such time requires till a little action produces something further to act upon.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
14. did a Minnesota audit in 2004
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jul 2012

was a volunteer (they need more) we hand counted and matched our totals with the machines. I think they still do this.

http://www.ceimn.org/

 

itsrigged

(116 posts)
15. That does not mean the results are right or that they were not changed during voting..
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 06:12 PM
Jul 2012

Some of these machines that print a paper total and have memory cards are rigged to flip the votes on both so they match a fraudulent result... that is the point why these machines can not be trusted... unless you are talking about fill in the dot paper ballots that you hand counted and compared the hand count of individual fill in the dot paper ballots dropped into a ballot box that were scanned by comparing a hand count to a scan count because even the venders scanners can be hacked to flip votes and not count properly as by being hacked and having a malicious virus installed ...

This was proven and demonstrated on a Diebold scanner that counted fill in the dot ballots... unless the ballots would of been hand counted and compared to the scanner count the fraud of flipping votes from one to another which they wanted to win would never be found... so, if the only way to verify the count is to hand count, why use a machine in the first place if you are never going to hand count to make sure any particular machine may of been rigged?







http://markcrispinmiller.com/2011/04/400000-votes-still-missing-from-wi-state-data-bev-harris/

dflprincess

(28,057 posts)
16. I think it's only a small percentage of machines that are checked this way.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:31 PM
Jul 2012

Given the outcomes in the Dayton/Emmer & especially the Franken/Coleman recounts I think there is reason to question how well the scanners are working.

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