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Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:57 AM Jul 2014

New York Won't Keep Oil Train Details Secret

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York's homeland security agency is refusing requests from freight railroads to further restrict public information about their crude oil shipments, concluding it's not sensitive security information and will be given to local emergency planners.

Federal officials reached a similar conclusion in June, ordering railroads to give state officials details about oil-train routes and volumes so emergency responders can be better prepared for their duties.

Railroads sought to keep the information secret, arguing that information on oil train routes and volumes are security sensitive. The issue followed a string of fiery accidents. A derailment and explosion in Quebec last July killed 47 people.

Jerome Hauer, Homeland Security and Emergency Services commissioner, told CSX Transportation and Canadian Pacific Railway that New York won't adopt special non-disclosure agreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/12/new-york-oil-trains-secret_n_5579391.html


In this April 15, 2014 file photo, an oil-tank train with crude oil from the Bakken shale fields of North Dakota travels near Staples, Minn. (AP Photo/Mike Cronin,File) | ASSOCIATED PRESS

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New York Won't Keep Oil Train Details Secret (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 OP
Nor should they be secret. The nerve of those companies. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1
I certainly agree! Rachel did a detailed report about this... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #2
No this is fine. it is important enough for a new thread. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3
Thanks! I thought this was important... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #4
Yeah you guys have more of an issue in the Capitol region. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #5
Yes, seems like we have a lot of railroad tracks around here. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #6
The Amtrak trains north of Albany have to go slow because the tracks are falling apart. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #7
I'm not surprised. The roads aren't in great shape, either, and don't get me started on the bridges. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #8
I saw a report that said only 14 percent of the bridges in ups4ate ny were structually unsound. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9
It was a hot issue just a few years ago, bridges I cross were on the unsafe list Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #10
this is a shame that our country is not investing in itself. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #11
It's just crazy that not much was done after major bridges collapsed. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #12
And cuomo is No help at all. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #13
He certainly can't hold a candle to his father Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #14
Yeah I guess it could be worse but that is not saying much. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #15
No, it's not, but I voted for him. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #16
I worry he will reverse course on fracking next term. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #17
That's a big fear of mine, as well. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #18
I was so glad to see the court ruling that allows municipalities to ban fracking. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #19
latest fracking ruling. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #23
Great find! Took me a second read to figure out what this meant, though, LOL Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #24
the rain is moving out now but there wax major flooding here and will get worse tomorrow. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #25
I thought it's been bad here, but there was severe flooding south of Albany, saw it on the news Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #26
It is still pouring but the radar said it is ending. At least it is not as hot as it was. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #27
Sounds like what it was like here yesterday, came down incredibly hard, must be moving south Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #28
That stinks. I hear the polar votex has come back. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #29
Something very unusual is happening. I can't remember such severe weather all at once Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #30
But the gop say no global warming. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #31
Because it still gets cold in the winter! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #32
Inholfe of Ok is the ringleader of the anti-science brigade. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #33
Figures, but unfortunately he's one of many Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #34
They are paid to do that. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #35
I keep remembering Chuck Grassley's speech on the "death panels" that are going to kill Grandma... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #36
And Bush when he said the jury is still out on evolution. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #37
ROFL! Well, from his perspective, he may have been left a little behind... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #38
too funny! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #39
That was one of the first Bushisms! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #40
He was comedy gold for the comedians. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #41
I wouldn't be surprised if they were hoping he'd be around for a second term Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #42
Bill Maher has gotten less funny over time. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #43
His "New Rules" is usually pretty good Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #44
No I haven't yet. is it worth it? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #45
You can always see the best parts on DU: ;) Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #46
Thanks I will check it out tomorrow. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #47
He really has been excellent, but it's not surprising Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #48
I watched some of it and it was funny. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49
You're completely right, ran across this in my travels: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #50
Climate deniers will have blood on their hands. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #51
Are you signing up again for mirt? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #52
Yes, I'm planning on it. And I'm sure glad that you are! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #53
Glad to hear it. we will not be on for election day unless they hold our term over for longer. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #54
Yes, LOL, I've been trying to figure out the timing... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #55
I am not sure how I feel about it but I think Sept and Oct should be hectic. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #56
From my experience, the disagreements leading up to the election are the worst. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #57
Yea it will be busy but I am game for it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #58
Me, too! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #59
I think when the news cycle gets into gear after Labor Day it will get busy. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #60
I agree with you, though it won't be as bad because it's all local. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #61
Christie will be indicted by next summer so he won't run. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #62
Was it Jon Stewart who said that the top three are all going to be under indictment?? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #63
Not sure but Walker will get away with it but Christie is in trouble. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #64
Christie's ego will be his downfall. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #65
Mitt will only run is there is no Christie and Bush. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #66
Like in 2008, I wouldn't be surprised if the nominee is someone we haven't heard of yet Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #67
Could be. I tend to think Hillary will be our candidate. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #68
She's not as liberal as most of us would like, but we could do worse Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #69
I hope a primary will turn her more to the left. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #70
I remember during the 2008 primaries Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #71
Cnn still thinks the 2012 election is too close to call. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #73
LOL! And the last time I tuned in (when I was away last week) Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #74
He is in Israel now. I never cared for him because he seems like he is full of himself. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #75
In the old days, I remember DUers calling him Wolf Baxter - or Ted Blitzer. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #76
He was a good reporter but he is just so annoying. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #77
I never turn on CNN. I had an issue with them back in 2005, I think Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #78
Is Al Jazeera live in the night. The pause in Gaza should be starting now. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #80
Thanks for the reminder! I should tune in after Seth Meyers, LOL. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #82
Is Al Jazeera live overnight? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #83
I think it is sometimes, live from foreign news bureaus Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #84
Well I doubt there will be much news overnight unless someone fires. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #85
They're having a series of reports right now. This one is about the California drought Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #86
lol. Well we shall see. praying for peace. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #87
I know. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #88
The story of the 4 kids was just horrible. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #89
Not to mention the young men recently... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #90
I went in there today and I doubt I will go back much. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #91
Somehow, I think it's worse on DU.3. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #92
It makes religion look civil, and the religion room is not civil. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #93
It's probably less stressful on MIRT! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #94
Well at least this term is civil and peaceful. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #95
That's all we can ask for! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #96
And two less visitors. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #97
Well, that, too... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #98
life would be easier. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #99
Government examines railroad safety rules hrmjustin Jul 2014 #20
State won't keep oil train details secret hrmjustin Jul 2014 #21
Good to hear - thanks for posting this!!! Cooley Hurd Jul 2014 #22
CSX: 15-30 oil trains move weekly on Hudson River line Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #72
I think the SCOTUS could easily find this violates the corporations' nonexistent merrily Jul 2014 #79
No doubt, but fortunately New York has stood firm on this Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #81
Schumer urges administration action on crude oil tank cars hrmjustin Jul 2014 #100
CSX: 15-30 oil trains move weekly on Hudson River line hrmjustin Jul 2014 #101
editorial: Long story short hrmjustin Jul 2014 #102

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
2. I certainly agree! Rachel did a detailed report about this...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jul 2014

And I'm thinking I should have posted this as an update to your previous thread:

Oil train shipment data kept secret
http://www.democraticunderground.com/106814220

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
3. No this is fine. it is important enough for a new thread.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jul 2014

Besides I want others to post things in here.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
6. Yes, seems like we have a lot of railroad tracks around here.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:30 AM
Jul 2014

And not much of it is passenger travel. Public transportation is not readily available up here in the boonies.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
8. I'm not surprised. The roads aren't in great shape, either, and don't get me started on the bridges.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:39 AM
Jul 2014

Two of the victims of the Schoharie Creek Bridge Collapse were distant relatives of mine and three of them worked for my father. That's one of Aaron Woolf's signature issues, repairing the infrastructure.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/25-years-ago-the-bridge-was-gone-3460076.php

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
10. It was a hot issue just a few years ago, bridges I cross were on the unsafe list
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:46 AM
Jul 2014

(And it doesn't help that bridges freak me out, anyway... ). But now it's gone from the front pages, so I was glad to hear Aaron Woolf bring it up. And the roads around here rattle your teeth, let alone what they do to cars. Bad roads are a main reason for car repairs.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
11. this is a shame that our country is not investing in itself.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:48 AM
Jul 2014

The rich want their tax breaks instead of helping the nation out.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
12. It's just crazy that not much was done after major bridges collapsed.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jul 2014

Reminds me of the rash of mass shootings. They are the top news and everyone's freaked out and then the issue just disappears.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
14. He certainly can't hold a candle to his father
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jul 2014

But I'm not complaining when I look at other governors, like Walker and Scott and Perry and Christie.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
16. No, it's not, but I voted for him.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:04 AM
Jul 2014

And Hillary Clinton's not exactly a liberal, but I voted for her, too. It's also worse up here since this is a heavily Republican area. I really believe that most people are just not paying attention.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
18. That's a big fear of mine, as well.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jul 2014

Though despite being largely Republican, this area seems pretty opposed to fracking. But then there's the gun issue. Everywhere I see signs saying to repeal the New York Safe Act. I guess there are also a lot of gun owners around here, talked to some of them when I worked for Scott Murphy.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
24. Great find! Took me a second read to figure out what this meant, though, LOL
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jul 2014

How's the weather down there? The weather in the City and Northern NJ is severe enough that it rated a segment on the local (Albany) news here!

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
26. I thought it's been bad here, but there was severe flooding south of Albany, saw it on the news
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jul 2014

And it looked to be even worse where you are.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
28. Sounds like what it was like here yesterday, came down incredibly hard, must be moving south
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:36 PM
Jul 2014

Apparently there was a music festival, south of Albany, that was called because of the rain, but people couldn't get out since their cars were stuck in the mud:

What a washout! New York music festival cancelled as torrential rain reduces venue to mud bath
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691143/Torrential-rain-reduces-New-York-music-festival-mud-bath.html

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
30. Something very unusual is happening. I can't remember such severe weather all at once
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jul 2014

And on a daily basis. Apparently, we're expecting more storms here tomorrow into Wednesday...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
34. Figures, but unfortunately he's one of many
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

It totally baffles me that these guys can say such blatantly nonsensical things and still keep a straight face...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
39. too funny!
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jul 2014


I remember when on the eve of the 2000 election he said something to the effect of does gore thing Social Security is some sort of a government program.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
40. That was one of the first Bushisms!
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:20 AM
Jul 2014

The poor man could barely open his mouth without being unintentionally funny. I can remember watching a speech of his and laughing, thinking that no presidential impersonator could be funnier than the real thing...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
42. I wouldn't be surprised if they were hoping he'd be around for a second term
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:25 AM
Jul 2014

I seem to remember Bill Maher saying something like that...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
44. His "New Rules" is usually pretty good
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jul 2014

Have you seen John Oliver's new show? That has been consistently off the charts funny!

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
48. He really has been excellent, but it's not surprising
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jul 2014

I thought he did a superlative job when he took over for Jon Stewart last year...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
50. You're completely right, ran across this in my travels:
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:29 AM
Jul 2014

Of course, we know what ths climate deniers will make of this...

Autumnlike Chill to Expand From Midwest to South, East
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/midwest-to-feel-septemberlike/30357926

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
55. Yes, LOL, I've been trying to figure out the timing...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jul 2014

Technically, I should have served last term and have been off for this one, but my computer had issues, so I skipped last term...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
57. From my experience, the disagreements leading up to the election are the worst.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jul 2014

But at least it's not a presidential election. 2004 was brutal...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
59. Me, too!
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jul 2014

I think we've had a very good team this term, hope that the next shift is as active here as this one has been...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
61. I agree with you, though it won't be as bad because it's all local.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jul 2014

I was just watching MSNBC and they had a lineup of all the likely Republican presidential candidates. Yikes! There isn't one that I could even stand! They said that Christie currently has the most support and my housemate said that's because Christie is the least extreme of the bunch...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
65. Christie's ego will be his downfall.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jul 2014

And now they're talking about running Mittens again!!! Don't know about you, but I just couldn't take it...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
69. She's not as liberal as most of us would like, but we could do worse
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jul 2014

She certainly has the experience and the reputation when it comes to foreign policy.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
71. I remember during the 2008 primaries
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jul 2014

CNN was advertising some sort of hard hitting political special about her which asked if she was "too liberal and too angry." Huh?! I'd have to say no to both...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
74. LOL! And the last time I tuned in (when I was away last week)
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jul 2014

Wolf Blitzer was still reporting about that missing plane! I kid you not!

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
78. I never turn on CNN. I had an issue with them back in 2005, I think
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:17 AM
Jul 2014

John Kerry was speaking live on the Senate floor and they switched to archived footage of some RWer, "for balance," they said. I wrote them an irate e-mail and have avoided them ever since. If I really need news, Al Jazeera is now available here, certainly better than CNN.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
82. Thanks for the reminder! I should tune in after Seth Meyers, LOL.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jul 2014

BTW, MSNBC has stopped showing the second repeat of Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow, are now airing an episode of "Caught on Camera" and the dreaded "Lockup" late at night instead.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
84. I think it is sometimes, live from foreign news bureaus
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jul 2014

It's hard to tell now, since I just turned it on, is giving a report on the Middle East (Iraq and Syria), but it doesn't say LIVE anywhere.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
86. They're having a series of reports right now. This one is about the California drought
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:44 AM
Jul 2014

It's not exactly breaking news...

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
90. Not to mention the young men recently...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:55 AM
Jul 2014

I used to post in I/P, but it was somewhat stressful, since what's going on - and on - is so heartbreaking.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
72. CSX: 15-30 oil trains move weekly on Hudson River line
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jul 2014
State releases documents on train routes


WASHINGTON – Fifteen to 30 trains, each carrying at least 1 million gallons of North Dakota Bakken crude oil, pass through the Hudson Valley each week, according to information provided to the state by CSX Transportation.

The freight trains are moving along the CSX River Line through densely populated areas of Rockland and Orange counties as they head south from Albany to refineries in New Jersey and elsewhere.

State officials released the information this week to organizations that filed requests under the Freedom of Information Law after announcing last week they have denied a request by freight railroads to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

<snip>

The railroads began providing the information to the State Emergency Response Commission on June 7 under an emergency order signed by U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx.


http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2014/07/16/oil-train-routes-numbers-new-york-disclosed/12734597/?showmenu=true



merrily

(45,251 posts)
79. I think the SCOTUS could easily find this violates the corporations' nonexistent
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jul 2014

(nonexistent in reality, and formerly in law as well, though not in the minds of the SCOTUS) Constitutional rights to free speech, free exercise of religion and fundamental right to privacy and concomitant fundamental right to reproductive choice.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
81. No doubt, but fortunately New York has stood firm on this
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:20 AM
Jul 2014

One of the advantages of living in a blue state.

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