Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:30 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
thanks to my son i just learned something interesting.
you can't run for office here unless you profess the belief in "Almighty God"
NC is one of 7 states with such a ridiculous and unprovable requirement. it just amazed me.
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barbtries | Dec 2013 | OP |
Ilsa | Dec 2013 | #1 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #6 | |
enlightenment | Dec 2013 | #2 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #5 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #7 | |
enlightenment | Dec 2013 | #11 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #12 | |
enlightenment | Dec 2013 | #15 | |
Triana | Dec 2013 | #3 | |
aristocles | Dec 2013 | #4 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #8 | |
rdharma | Dec 2013 | #9 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #10 | |
rdharma | Dec 2013 | #14 | |
barbtries | Dec 2013 | #16 | |
aristocles | Dec 2013 | #13 |
Response to barbtries (Original post)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:38 PM
Ilsa (60,895 posts)
1. Why hasn't that been challenged in court? nt
Response to Ilsa (Reply #1)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:05 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
6. i'm going to guess
that no atheist has been brave enough (or foolhardy enough) to declare their atheism while running for office; or if they did, they lost.
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Response to barbtries (Original post)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 06:39 PM
enlightenment (8,830 posts)
2. Running for office or hold office, barbtries?
How on earth could they enforce that ridiculous unconstitutional requirement for a candidate?
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Response to enlightenment (Reply #2)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:04 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
5. i don't know.
my son and i are sitting across from each other; i'm doing homework, he's watching football and reading his reddit feeds.
i googled this: Article 6, section 8 of the North Carolina constitution states: "The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God." http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/12/atheist_swears_affirms_oath_in_nc.html |
Response to enlightenment (Reply #2)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:07 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
7. i suppose they can run for office all day long,
but they can't HOLD office according to the law.
what amazes me the most is that as far as i know the law - clearly unconstitutional - has not been challenged. not so much that people in charge in this state are so full of their religiosity that they would make it a law. |
Response to barbtries (Reply #7)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:20 PM
enlightenment (8,830 posts)
11. They are absurd laws, to be sure.
I don't think any of the states that still have them on the books would dare to trigger them. I'm sure the ACLU has all the briefs pre-written and ready to roll, should they try.
Of course that didn't stop Texas (?I think it was them) from trotting out their ancient sodomy law not long ago. Frankly, I think the states should be required to hold a constitutional convention every 20 years, just to make sure that their legal foundations are up to snuff. |
Response to enlightenment (Reply #11)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:21 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
12. interesting concept.
but considering the way the power in this state is sitting with virtual neanderthals, i'd hate to see the outcome of such a convention these days in NC.
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Response to barbtries (Reply #12)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:38 PM
enlightenment (8,830 posts)
15. True.
Some states might need independent commissions to oversee the process . . . or UN Peacekeeping forces . . .
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Response to barbtries (Original post)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:03 PM
aristocles (594 posts)
4. Not precisely true
You don't have to profess the belief in Almighty God. But you can't "deny the being of Almighty God".
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Response to aristocles (Reply #4)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:08 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
8. okay.
so you dare not say, "I do not believe in almighty god" - a fine distinction.
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Response to barbtries (Original post)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:10 PM
rdharma (6,057 posts)
9. Article 6, section 8 was in effect nullified....
By the US Supreme Court in 1961 (Torcaso v. Watkins 376 US 488).
NC can't require a "religious test" for office even if they have retained that provision in the NC constitution. Federal law trumps state law (especially when the state law is unconstitutional). |
Response to rdharma (Reply #9)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:19 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
10. then i wonder why it's still on the books.
but, thank you for clearing that up.
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Response to barbtries (Reply #10)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:31 PM
rdharma (6,057 posts)
14. Because it would have to be removed by a vote of the people of NC.
And living in NC, you know that's not going to happen.
I moved here a year ago and I was simply amazed how crazy the RW religious fanatics were and the political power they wield. I was planning on moving ASAP...... but I decided I'm going to stay and fight these SOBs! Welcome to the resistance! |
Response to rdharma (Reply #14)
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:01 PM
barbtries (27,326 posts)
16. right
i got here 6 years ago and it's enough already for me - though i will be here for some time to come.
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