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Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:35 PM

 

Oregon just became 16th state voting to overturn Citizen's United! We're close to halfway now!...

... towards getting enough states (38) to get a constitutional amendment going to get rid of corporate personhood and stop money being "free speech"! The House just passed this in bipartisan fashion with even 14 Republicans joining the yes vote on this!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/02/1220717/-Oregon-becomes-16th-state-to-call-for-amendment-overturning-Citizens-nbsp-United#

Pats on the back to all of Oregon's congress members who are looking to cosign resolutions for this to happen, and all of us at local levels here that got out resolutions earlier to ask for the same thing!

It's a long haul, but we're getting there. A good milestone for us here to cheer!

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Reply Oregon just became 16th state voting to overturn Citizen's United! We're close to halfway now!... (Original post)
cascadiance Jul 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #1
MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #2
MrSlayer Jul 2013 #3
cascadiance Jul 2013 #5
customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #4
drm604 Jul 2013 #6
customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #7
Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #9
customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #10
sheshe2 Jul 2013 #8
SunSeeker Jul 2013 #11
skepticscott Jul 2013 #12
davidpdx Jul 2013 #19
cascadiance Jul 2013 #22
davidpdx Jul 2013 #23
DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #13
WillyT Jul 2013 #14
Left Coast2020 Jul 2013 #15
ReRe Jul 2013 #16
onestepforward Jul 2013 #17
Lobo27 Jul 2013 #18
CanonRay Jul 2013 #20
classof56 Jul 2013 #24
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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:36 PM

1. K/R. (nt)

 

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:41 PM

2. Awesome! Nm

 

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:50 PM

3. I thought 37 states were needed.

 

Am I wrong on that? This is great news of course but are we really halfway?

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:00 PM

5. My apologies. I'd seen an earlier note/article where someone mentioned it was "half way"...

 

... when it passed in the Senate and was on its way to the House. Should have double checked before posting that it was half way.

We do only need three more states now though to get to the half way point. And as the Daily Kos article notes, it is notable that the states where it is passing, it is doing so in a bipartisan fashion with a lot of Republican support, so the support we have now might be very possible to pass through the states, even though that hasn't happened earlier, or put a lot of pressure on congress to pass it with that kind of support because of bipartisan feelings amongst Americans that this needs to be done. Fixing the OP subject title...

http://thecontributor.com/bypass-congress-overturn-citizens-united

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:52 PM

4. The article didn't explain

your title of halfway there. I would suppose that if Oregon were the 25th state to approve such a resolution, then you might be able to claim halfway status of sorts.

In addition, I'm not aware of anything in the Constitution that requires any specific action based on state resolutions, other than the calling of a Constitutional convention. At that point, anything can come out of such a convention, and I see no reason why it would be limited in any fashion. Maybe that's why so many Rethugs voted for it.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:18 PM

6. The thought of a constitutional convention at the current time frightens me.

An amendment to overturn Citizen's United would be fantastic, as long as it's done by the single amendment route.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:20 PM

7. It would have to start in Congress

And there's just about no chance of that, even before you get to the supermajority requirement there.

Too many already at the trough for it to be even considered.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:55 PM

9. No, the states can inititate a CC as well.

 

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Response to Nanjing to Seoul (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:58 PM

10. Yes, but they cannot limit what it can bring up

It'll be a red-state free-for-all.

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:37 PM

8. Kick!

The bipartisan measure passed the state House by a 48-11 margin, with 14 Republican votes (the majority of state House Republicans), and the state Senate by a 17-13 margin, with one Republican, Senator Betsy Close (R-Albany), voting in favor. [...]

Oregon joins four other states Delaware, Maine, West Virginia and Illinois that have called for a constitutional amendment over just the past two months. All of the resolutions this year have passed with bipartisan support in at least one chamber. This is an issue that affects every American, regardless of political affiliation.

The other states that have called for an amendment to overturn Citizens United are California, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, Maryland, Colorado and Montana. The Washington, D.C., Council has called for an amendment as well.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/02/1220717/-Oregon-becomes-16th-state-to-call-for-amendment-overturning-Citizens-nbsp-United#

This is huge~ and with bipartisan support!

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:02 PM

11. Keep up the good work! nt

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:15 PM

12. Well, hate to say it

 

but less than half of the states needed are on board, and it's the easier half, and even the ones who HAVE voted for a meaningless resolution might not go the same way if this were an actual vote for an actual amendment. Not to mention that 67 Senators would be needed.

And despite what Kos says, even passing an amendment would not get corporate money out of politics, or put 9 progressive SC justices on the bench.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:29 AM

19. Very True

Given some states that were blue in terms of the legislature and governor are now purple (Florida, Wisconsin, and Michigan) that makes it even worse. Before 2010 the latter two probably would have gone thorough easily with Florida as a maybe.

Delaware, Maine, West Virginia, Illinois, California, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, Maryland, Colorado, Montana, and Oregon.

These are some (but not all) of the ones we are missing:

Alaska, Arkansas, Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin


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Response to davidpdx (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 05:36 PM

22. All three of these "purple states" have their governors up for reelection in 2014...

 

I think that might put a lot of pressure on them, if there is bipartisan support in their state for overturning Citizen's United like the momentum has been building, so if a bill comes to their desk passed by their legislatures, they'd be hard pressed to not sign it.

Given the governorships up for reelection in 2014, I would put the following states in the category of perhaps signing on to overturn Citizen's United (or perhaps after 2014 if their governor gets thrown out as a result of standing in the way of this). Those running against them should definitely be using this issue as a campaign issue. As the election gets closer and money spending churns up, this will be more and more of a visible issue too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gubernatorial_elections,_2014

Republican incumbents:
Arizona (Jan Brewer-R term limited out of office in 2014)
Florida (Rick Scott-R running for reelection in 2014)
Wisconsin (Scott Walker-R running for reelection in 2014)
Ohio (John Kasich-R running for reelection in 2014)
Maine (Paul LePage-R running for reelection in 2014)
Nevada (Brian Sandoval running for reelection in 2014)
Alaska (Sean Parnell-R running for reelection in 2014)
Michigan (Rick Snyder-R yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)
Iowa (Terry Branstadt-R yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)
Pennsylvania (Tom Corbett-R yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)
New Mexico (Susana Martinez-R yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)

Democratic incumbents:
Arkansas (Miike Beebe-D term limited out of office in 2014)
Minnesota (Mark Dayton-D running for reelection in 2014)
New Hampshire (Maggie Hassan-D yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)
New York (Andrew Cuomo-D yet to declare running for reelection in 2014)

Governors not running in coming election, but perhaps good states for passing this:
Washington
New Jersey

The rest of the states are pretty red, but there are a lot of Republican gubernatorial seats up for reelection in 2014, so who knows if perhaps some bipartisan push might help one of them shift too. Perhaps Idaho might join us here in the NW and not be surrounded by states that will have passed it since Montana's already on board. And North Dakota with its unique state bank might also be thinking differently in this area too. As the article notes, if we get close to this goal of 38 states, we might have enough to push congress to vote on it, if those in congress feel threatened by their inaction that would lead to the unprecedented state initiated constitutional amendment that might seem very possible then. Many of them might feel their jobs in jeopardy too if they chose to ignore the heavy state grass roots efforts then, even if they are Republicans.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 05:44 PM

23. Most of those held by Republicans are winable

except for Alaska and maybe Arizona.

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:17 PM

13. Thank you

The fight is not over.

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:31 PM

14. Most Excellent - K & R !!!

 






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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:44 PM

15. I will gladly K & R this puppy

Miss my state up North.

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:56 PM

16. K&R

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:11 AM

17. WooHoo! n/t

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:12 AM

18. Didn't the guys from TyT form a group to help this?

Cenk was mentioning it before... Wolf Pac

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 09:19 AM

20. Yay!

As a new Oregonian, I am thrilled.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 09:22 PM

24. As an old Oregonian, I am thrilled and proud!

Welcome, newbie, to the great state of Oregon--She Flies With Her Own Wings!

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Response to cascadiance (Original post)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 05:07 PM

21. .

 

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