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Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:51 AM

Can a Socialist Sway Texas Democrats?

There’s one question Democrats face as they head into the 2016 presidential election. How should they feel about Hillary Clinton? The coalition Barack Obama built happily came out to vote in his two presidential elections, but turnout was pathetic in 2010 and 2014 when he wasn’t on the ticket. Clinton’s ability to inherit that coalition is debatable.

Some of the party’s faithful just want to maximize their chances of taking a third consecutive term, and they think the Clintons’ careful and calculated brand of center-left politics is the thing to do it. Others are antsy. They’ve seen the GOP’s far right drag their party to them with great success, and they want someone to subject Clinton to the same type of pressures. But they need a candidate. Elizabeth Warren has declined to run, and Martin O’Malley is a ball of ambition.

Enter U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), Congress’ sole self-avowed socialist, who came through Texas at the beginning of April in the middle of a cross-country trip whose purpose, he said, was to judge the energies of the left and to raise money in anticipation of a possible primary run against Clinton. Sanders would be as unusual a candidate as we’ve seen in America for quite some time. He’s not quite a Dennis Kucinich or a Mike Gravel, but it’s not that he’s setting out to win either. His self-proclaimed models are people such as Jesse Jackson and Howard Dean, who ran and lost, but inspired future political activists.

Obama’s 2008 campaign, Sanders told the Observer at an Austin Tex-Mex restaurant, “will go down in history as one of the great campaigns ever run.” But, he continued, “the day after the election, he said, ‘Thank you for electing me, but I think I can go on from here without you. I do not need the millions of people who were actively involved in my campaign.’” The kind of change the left wants, he said, is not possible without “mass organized activity” of the kind that has not existed in the country in some five decades—the kind Sanders experienced as a young man in the civil rights, anti-war and kibbutz movements.

http://www.texasobserver.org/bernie-sanders-presidential-run/

Cross-posted in the Bernie Sanders Group.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:40 AM

1. I do not think that Bernie will play well in Texas

A 2013 poll shows that Hillary Clinton could win in Texas http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/01/clinton-could-win-texas.html Most of the state party types in Texas who I know are supporting Clinton

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:41 AM

2. One of the best examples of Socialism in the US is based here in Texas: Southwest Airlines.

The workers own the company entirely and therefore work for themselves. The decisions are made by the group. There is no owner class. They are their own kind of union, which is great in a right to work state.

Through Capitalism, they pay taxes, pay for benefits and buy items that they are unable to make.

Sanders will explain to America the difference between Capitalism, Socialism and Communism/Red Army. Many people were taught in school that socialism and communism are the same thing.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:18 PM

4. What?

Southwesst Airlines is a publicly traded company.

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ALUV&ei=qphCVYmXL8fSqQH-kYCICg

It has a $27B market cap, of which 77% is institutionally owned.

They do have an employee profit sharing plan, but it's nothing to write home about ($385 million paid out to 40k employees over a 3 year period). Most of their employees are also unionized (across about 10 unions), but about half of those unions don't have active agreements in place (some expired and have not been negotiated yet, and others represent contracts yet to be written).

Annual Report if you want some reading material:

http://southwest.investorroom.com/download/2014+Annual+Report.pdf

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Response to metalbot (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:57 PM

5. Oh thank you. Your reply shows how socialism controls economic capitalism and fully describes

my reply. The other side of Capitalism is a supply and demand, free market. Reagan took over the Air Traffic Controllers supply of services. A Red Army was not needed in that situation like it was after the Bolsheviks took over in Russia.

In my opinion, Oliver North was the communism commander of the Reagan Red Army in Latin America.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:13 PM

6. I assume you must be some form of auto-response script?

Which would actually explain a few things about some of the earlier posts that you've made here.

Not that I have anything against our future robot overlords.

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Response to metalbot (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:45 PM

7. I really believe that Southwest Arlines will never buy robots to replace people. On the other hand

a Red Army may want to buy robots. If that happened, what would your auto response be that they would need them for or use them for?

Capitalism is always in the middle controlled by Socialism, on one end, and extended for evil purposes by ________________ on the other.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:06 PM

3. I think Bernie WILL appeal to younger Texans

Maybe not the old guard...but the LGBT and NORML youth,Iraq,Afghanistan Vets,College Students, young working families

I truly believe he will inspire them to register to vote...and VOTE. I am looking at my son's reaction to him running.I see that repeating itself over and over again.

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