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TexasTowelie

(111,974 posts)
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:54 AM May 2018

Irish Travellers killed her for insurance money, but jury finds relatives also involved

Since early on, Al Fox III believed that his older sister and brother-in-law were behind the 2014 murder of his mother, Anita Fox.

And though Mark and Virginia Buckland were not charged criminally in the high-profile case involving the Irish Travellers, Al Fox waged war against them in the civil courts.

The Bucklands had taken out multiple life insurance polices worth more than $4 million on Anita Fox and had filed lawsuits to try to force insurance companies to pay up.

But Al Fox filed motions to intervene, alleging that the Bucklands were “negligently responsible” for Anita Fox’s death and thus prohibited by law from receiving the benefits.

On Thursday a civil jury unanimously agreed that the Bucklands willfully — and with malice — were part of a conspiracy that led to the murder of Anita Fox.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/northeast-tarrant/article210442049.html

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Irish Travellers killed her for insurance money, but jury finds relatives also involved (Original Post) TexasTowelie May 2018 OP
Travellers are still around? That's it-- ban all travellers from Ireland. No one gets in! TreasonousBastard May 2018 #1
What a horrible story! Rhiannon12866 May 2018 #2
They are just people... TomVilmer May 2018 #4
That's not really the case. The biggest issue is lack of education, which makes it OnDoutside May 2018 #5
The Terrible Williamsons..... marble falls May 2018 #3
100% agree. I mentioned that in post 5 too. There's a village in county limerick OnDoutside May 2018 #6
I was born and raised in South Carolina. I know them well. Lint Head May 2018 #7
Yes, they are just people . . . Collimator May 2018 #8

Rhiannon12866

(204,816 posts)
2. What a horrible story!
Sat May 5, 2018, 06:13 AM
May 2018

I've encountered Irish Travelers - in Ireland - and they keep to themselves. They send their children out to beg on the streets, but they're not allowed to engage with people. I once gave some money to a pretty young girl who was dressed up in her native costume and singing in the street, she had a beautiful voice. I tried to take her photo, but she never smiled or spoke, just turned away.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
4. They are just people...
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

... and like everybody else, they got their fare share of rotten apples. I have camped with travelers for weeks, and enjoyed spending good time together. They are as different in their ways, as any other group is.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
5. That's not really the case. The biggest issue is lack of education, which makes it
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:02 AM
May 2018

Virtually impossible to climb out of their usual avenues of foraging for a living. For many, they love the lifestyle and have no interest in moving in to permanent accommodation. There is a darker side of criminality that runs as an undercurrent to traveller life, and it makes those of us in the settled community wary of them. I was getting a house remodelled over the last year and my builder had regular problems with attempted thefts on site, and then brazen as hell, they'd turn up the following day looking for bits of scrap metal ! During the day they drive around the estates looking to see if there was any construction work going on. You get others coming into the area targeting old people, offering to clear the gutters, and then saying that the roof tiles are loose...eventually charging hundreds or thousands to fix what wasn't a problem. Or the other biggie is paving/tarmac driveways, which results in botched jobs not only here, but in other European countries too.

marble falls

(57,014 posts)
3. The Terrible Williamsons.....
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:37 AM
May 2018

Crooks' Migration Begins
Wandering Con Artists Who Prey On The Elderly And Other Vulnerable People Are Back Again.
November 22, 1993|By Christopher Quinn of The Sentinel Staff

The Terrible Williamsons are not the Williamsons anymore.

They couldn't take the notoriety, so they changed their names. They continue to be terrible, however, and they continue to plague Florida's weak and elderly.

Like migratory birds, the Williamsons and other traveling bands of con artists are swooping once again into Florida. The English, Irish and Scottish groups come from points north to escape the winter cold.

They bring with them a battery of home repair and other scams. They will ''re-tar'' your driveway with oil that washes off in the rain. They will paint your house with tinted water. They will install lightning rods on your house with substandard wire.

They also will pretend to be electricians or telephone repairers. They will ask you to go pick up your phone or hit a light switch, and while your back is turned, swipe your wallet.

For decades police and deputy sheriffs have sounded an annual alarm to beware of the Williamsons and other wandering clans.

The travelers are organized criminals who cost Floridians hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Fighting this brand of crime takes unusual law enforcement techniques. Victims don't want to prosecute; they just want their money back.

The travelers attack geographically, setting up a base in a camp-

ground or a hotel and striking victims within 80 miles.

''They want the elderly and weak,'' said Sue Taylor, who tracks travelers for the Orange County Sheriff's Office. They want victims who answer to no one about finances. ''They look at your manicure, your jewelry. They are very observant.''

They find their marks by looking for older homes with unkempt yards, Taylor said. An unkempt yard is a sign that whoever lives at the house no longer can care for it.

The travelers look, too, for old-style Venetian blinds in windows or automobile bumper stickers that mention grandchildren.

Two years ago, some travelers targeted a Maitland woman in her 80s. They knocked on her door and offered to repair her roof, and when she agreed, they demanded $3,700 up front. She paid, they pretended to do the work, then billed her again, collecting another $3,700. She was afraid, so she paid.

Investigators were at a loss. Even if they found the suspects they would have no case. The victim was nearly blind and could not identify anyone.

Then a traveler's child was caught shoplifting $139 in goods from a Walt Disney World store. Inspector Bill Morris, who investigates the travelers for the Orange sheriff's office, has sources among the travelers. One called him and offered to pay the $139 if investigators let the child go. Morris refused. The source said he'd pay the $139 and identify the suspects in the Maitland case, and Morris cut a deal.

He tracked down the Maitland suspects and threatened to arrest them. They handed over the money. The victim was so grateful that she sought out Sheriff Kevin Beary earlier this year to thank him.

''I can't buy that kind of good will,'' Beary said in an interview.

Home repair scams are just one way travelers seek to collect money. An Irish traveler is accused of staging her own rape in October 1992 in an attempt to collect huge damages from Walt Disney World. According to detectives, she posed as a tourist, had sex with an acquaintance and then asked her brother to bind and beat her. In June she sued Disney.

Orange County investigators announced last month that the rape was a hoax. The woman, identified by investigators as Wanda Mary Normile, 21, has disappeared. She is wanted on charges of filing a false report, conspiracy to commit grand theft and attempted grand theft.

The travelers are not ethnic Gypsies, and have no relation to the dozens of people of Gypsy descent who for years have operated palm reading and psychic businesses in Orlando.

Investigators rarely receive complaints about the locals, who settled down years ago. In fact, they collect information on the travelers and inform police.

''These people come into town. They do a lot of bad scams. They leave a bad taste in our mouths,'' said one, who has been in business in Orlando for 30 years. He spoke on condition he not be named because he does not want the travelers to know he cooperates with investigators.

''We don't want to have anything to do with them,'' he said.

The travelers who plague Florida today are of English, Irish and Scottish descent, Morris said. They have names like Mitchell, Halliday, Murphy and Carrol.

''It's a secret culture. A closed culture,'' Morris said.

The Williamsons have long been Central Florida's best-known clan, mostly because law enforcement agencies have warned residents to beware of them for more than 40 years.

''We identified 106 families in 1991-92,'' said Morris, and each family has dozens of members. Morris and Taylor estimated that they identified only a quarter of the families here.

They already are arriving for the winter, coming from Texas, Illinois, Delaware and elsewhere.

''Normally they'll begin to show up here a week to 10 days before Thanksgiving,'' Morris said. Many leave for a week during Christmas, return and stay until March.

So, following a decades-old law enforcement tradition, Morris and Taylor are again warning you to beware of the Terrible Williamsons, or whoever else comes knocking at your door. If you need work done, hire a licensed contractor.

''We've got to make it unprofitable for them,'' Morris said.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
6. 100% agree. I mentioned that in post 5 too. There's a village in county limerick
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:05 AM
May 2018

Called Rathkeale where a lot of them have their summer houses.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
7. I was born and raised in South Carolina. I know them well.
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:50 AM
May 2018

I now live in Tennessee and have had them knock on my door offering to pave my driveway. I can ID them immediately and run them off immediately. The next time one comes to my house I will detain them with kind BS then I'm calling the sheriff. They say they will repair a driveway but all they do is spray paint it black and make it look as if it's been repaired. They do other things that are nefarious and illegal. Yes they are just people. They are just people who commit criminal acts and rip off the elderly. It happens over and over again and needs to stop.

[link:AIKEN COUNTY, SC 

The reputation of Murphy Village’s residents reaches far beyond the Palmetto State.

The North Augusta community, just past Interstate 20 in Aiken County, is home to one of the largest communities of Irish Travelers in the nation. According to the 2010 Census, about 1,400 Travelers live in Murphy Village. National counts of Travelers range between 10,000 and 40,000.


Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article96051242.html#storylink=cpy

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Collimator

(1,639 posts)
8. Yes, they are just people . . .
Sat May 5, 2018, 04:24 PM
May 2018

. . . And like any group of people anywhere they have their own set of values and norms. They are enculturated from the cradle to believe that their scams and operations are essentialy legitmate "hunting and gathering" activities if the results of their activities support the group.

They "hunt" the elderly because they are weaker prey. They "gather" building supplies and materials from jobsites because it is low-hanging fruit.

Suing the Disney Corporation can bring about a bigger payout, but the risk is greater. Like hunters after large, dangerous game, they need to coordinate the strategy and face the possibility of being taken down. They see such an attempt as an occupational endeavor, not an immoral act.

Only if some action hurts or impacts a member of their own community would it be considered a crime.

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