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riversedge

(70,195 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:53 PM Apr 2018

Maps: Dallet won 24 counties that Democrat Hillary Clinton lost to President Donald Trump in Wiscon



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Data for these graphics is from the Wisconsin Elections Commission and The Associated Press. John K. Wilson and Jenny Peek/WPR
'Blue Wave Builds' In Wisconsin's Supreme Court Election

https://www.wpr.org/blue-wave-builds-wisconsins-supreme-court-election

Milwaukee County Judge Rebecca Dallet Won Counties That Have Been Trending Republican For A Decade

Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 5:40pm

By Shawn Johnson

Milwaukee County Judge Rebecca Dallet's lopsided victory in Tuesday's Wisconsin Supreme Court race gave Democrats reasons to believe the state's political pendulum had at long last swung back in their direction.

National Democrats from former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to former Vice President Joe Biden hoped to use Dallet's election to build momentum toward November. They got it, and then some.

Dallet defeated Sauk County Judge Michael Screnock by a 56 to 44 percent margin in a spring election that Wisconsin Republicans have dominated over the past decade.

"The margin is impressive," said Marquette University Pollster Charles Franklin. "For November, what this means is that the wave that we've seen building — the advantage to Democrats — is still alive and well."


Dallet won 24 counties that Democrat Hillary Clinton lost to President Donald Trump in Wisconsin's 2016 presidential race.

She also ran up the numbers in Democratic strongholds, winning 81 percent of the vote in Dane County......................................
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Maps: Dallet won 24 counties that Democrat Hillary Clinton lost to President Donald Trump in Wiscon (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2018 OP
Screnock also ran a piss-poor campaign RandySF Apr 2018 #1
I wonder if the Democratic Party of Wisconsin noticed this? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #3
Glad to see WI woke the fk up. Had they taken the GOP threat serious in 2016 we'd all be Wwcd Apr 2018 #2
Part of that was the (in my opinion) incompetent Clinton campaign Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #4
The Clinton Campaign was not inept. The republicans, Putin Wwcd Apr 2018 #6
Nope. Not buying it. Most of what you said is true but Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #7
That would have made ZERO difference. Why didn't the voters in WI Wwcd Apr 2018 #17
You're full of it... would have made zero difference if she'd campaigned here? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #21
"You're full it" damn! Next time I see the "Can't we all get along" bs spewed I'll refer to Wwcd Apr 2018 #22
Wait, me saying you're full of it (you are) proves your point about Clinton's perfect campaign? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #25
You know for a fact she would have won if she'd have visited WI?? Wwcd Apr 2018 #23
You know for a fact that she ran a perfect campaign? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #24
Hillary was in Michigan the week before the election. LisaM Apr 2018 #26
She was never in Wisconsin during the General campaign. They sent surrogates. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #27
I thought she had gone there and campaigned? Autumn Apr 2018 #8
She came through briefly during the primary Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #11
It was very close. Autumn Apr 2018 #12
As Mueller wrote in his formal findings. Wwcd Apr 2018 #18
AHHHH OK I get it now... you're making this another Bernie vs. Hillary thing. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #28
I gave you the reasons why she lost WI. Wwcd Apr 2018 #29
And you brought it up. Again. n/t Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #30
Yes, the Clinton campaign couldn't be bothered to have her campaign even once elocs Apr 2018 #10
She was poorly served by her advisors. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #13
And the Media, & trolls & bots & Gowdys bs trial from day one, and Wwcd Apr 2018 #19
I haven't bought any of the RW bull. None of it. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #20
Wisconsin worked hard for a win in 2016 BlueWI Apr 2018 #31
Maybe Russians were't attacking WI people on facebook, etc, or messing with vote!! No 3rd party too bobbieinok Apr 2018 #5
Libertarian Gary Johnson/Bill Weld and Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka Autumn Apr 2018 #9
In the upcoming special elections for Senate and Assembly dragonlady Apr 2018 #14
It was a lovely start to a Sunday morning when I posted it. Still is. but we have lots of riversedge Apr 2018 #15
It was a nonpartisan election catrose Apr 2018 #16

RandySF

(58,776 posts)
1. Screnock also ran a piss-poor campaign
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:00 PM
Apr 2018

He basically did nothing and left Walker, the NRA and Wisconsin Manufacturers Association to do the heavy lifting. Dallet, on the other hand, personally campaigned all over the state

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
3. I wonder if the Democratic Party of Wisconsin noticed this?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:05 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe, just maybe, our next candidate for Governor will campaign outside of Dane and Milwaukee Counties? Hey a guy can hope right?

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
2. Glad to see WI woke the fk up. Had they taken the GOP threat serious in 2016 we'd all be
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:03 PM
Apr 2018

..looking at a much better future.

Don't stop now WI, 2018 is critical.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
4. Part of that was the (in my opinion) incompetent Clinton campaign
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

and part was our comically inept state Party apparatus. Hopefully the latter has changed, and I doubt our next candidate for President will fail to make even one appearance in the state.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
6. The Clinton Campaign was not inept. The republicans, Putin
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:47 PM
Apr 2018

Cambridge A /RU mass messaging of the biggest coordinate smear campaign in history .
WI GOP/Koch election interferance, vote suppression, Media's complete shut out of her outstanding Policy Platform & on & on & on.
She was intentionally silenced, smeared, & the victim of a "rigged" campaign on a global scale, and in order to silence her they had to create an entirely different persona than who she really is.


Anyone who is still naive enough to think it was because of Hillary'lack of effort is part of the problem.

Until States like WI vote en masse to purge their beautiful State of the Koch influence, they will be reliving the nightmare they currently are up against.

Every single vote will count towards that goal.
Every single voter must vote in 2018/2020 to shift the entrenched power of the Republican stranglehold.

Happy there are Red States realizing what will be forever lost if it is not truely a blue wave.



 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
7. Nope. Not buying it. Most of what you said is true but
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:47 PM
Apr 2018

the Clinton campaign chose not to campaign here. That was a mistake and it wasn’t Cambridge, or Russia, or Wikileaks,or anybody but Clinton’s people who were responsible for that factor in her loss. All it did was play into Dump’s false narrative that Hillary was detached and didn’t care about voters here struggling to make ends meet. She almost won Wisconsin but didn’t... Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama came here and they did win.

I think anyone who thinks Clinton’s people ran a perfect campaign and that there are no lessons to be learned from errors made is part of the problem.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
17. That would have made ZERO difference. Why didn't the voters in WI
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:04 PM
Apr 2018

..bother to find out what HRC's Platform was about, how she would benefit their needs.

Why did they rely on MSM & 3rd partys to define her?
She couldn't be in every State.
She did send others out there to many of those States to Campaign for her.

MSM gave her ZERO air time, ZERO press & the only statements presented were by those who orchestrated a full on smear campaign from the day she announced her candidacy.

How anyone missed this massive relentless smear campaign against her is beyond me.

How anyone can say she had nothing to offer never bothered to find out. They lazily waited for media to tell them what to do with their future.

And you surley weren't going to hear about it from MSM.

You honestly didn't see it happening?
Or were you one of those just content to let the coup continue because by silencing HRC, it opened the door for her Primary & GEN opponants?


Still, with all the effort to suppress her voice, her brillant and positive platform for America & all its citizens, she still won both the primary by millions and the General also by millions more.

I sincerely hope WI & every Republican State that bought the campaign lies, from Putin to Cambridge A, Gowdy's fraudulent trial, Media, both social bots enforced to Mainstream Media's 24/7 Trump TV, have seen what fake news brought this country & to maybe do their own research on Candidates before relying on the mouthpieces that seek to divide & undermine the US Government.

Glad to see this success handed to a candidate because voters have learned the hard way to trust the reliability of Liberal & Democratic Partys.

They are hopefully wiser this time around.

Thanks Hillary, you made them see how critical their vote is. That the cost to their States & country is not to be taken for granted.

Research & do know who you are voting for.
We learned from 2016 that Media is bought & sold like any other commodity.

Thanks Wisconsin.
Now do the same for democracy in 2018 & 2020.





 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
21. You're full of it... would have made zero difference if she'd campaigned here?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:56 PM
Apr 2018

Hogwash. All the things you said about the MSM and the smear campaign over DECADES against Hillary are true. All of them. But if she would have campaigned here at ALL I believe she would have won. It sent a terrible message to undecided voters that her people couldn't even be bothered to schedule ONE appearance in Wisconsin. As it was she NARROWLY lost the state. Swing a few late deciders here, in Michigan, in PA, and we'd be talking about Madam President right now. Trump's election required a perfect storm- part of it was simmering anger at Obama that has its roots in racism, part was misogyny, part was the now well-documented Russian interference/hacking, and part of it was some seriously bad strategy on the part of the Clinton campaign, along with some unforced errors by Hillary herself. The "basket of deplorables" comment is a perfect example. Does the word "deplorable" accurately describe many Trump voters? Yes, it's actually very mild- basket of irredeemable shit-for-brains a-holes would be even more descriptive. But it turned a certain segment of undecided voters off and cost her votes she needed because it played right into the "aloof and detached" narrative that everyone was being sold. I'm not talking about the "deplorables" themselves- they were always going to vote for Trump. I'm talking about the blue collar types who in the past were reliable voters for our side but now feel abandoned by what they see as a detached ruling class in Washington. You can call them idiots all you want, and in some cases you'd be right, but it remains true at least in the rust belt states that Hillary lost but Obama won that Democrats need at least some of these voters. I'll go to my grave saying that Hillary Clinton would have been a good- probably great President but she was a lackluster campaigner.

Here's one statement you made that really angers me: "You honestly didn't see it happening?
Or were you one of those just content to let the coup continue because by silencing HRC, it opened the door for her Primary & GEN opponants (sic)?"

My response? YES I saw it happening. Are you seriously suggesting I was/am OK with the coup because it opened the door for Trump? Really? That's what you think about anybody who dares to say anything critical of Hillary or her campaign? Pathetic. Thankfully she has more of a spine than some of her supporters.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
22. "You're full it" damn! Next time I see the "Can't we all get along" bs spewed I'll refer to
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:29 PM
Apr 2018

..your bs comment.

Gee thanks, your personal comment simply reiterates my point completely.

You made it easy.




 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
25. Wait, me saying you're full of it (you are) proves your point about Clinton's perfect campaign?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:46 PM
Apr 2018

I think you missed something. I really like Hillary Clinton. It's YOU who I think is full of it.

Glad I could clear that up.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
23. You know for a fact she would have won if she'd have visited WI??
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:36 PM
Apr 2018

No you don't.

First you'd have to consider all the bs that was piled on her by that point in the GE.

Tgen you'd have to consider Johnson & Stein driving home the same RW smears and lies.


You cannot make a blanket statement like that without the stats to prove it.



 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
24. You know for a fact that she ran a perfect campaign?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:44 PM
Apr 2018

Fine. Perfect. We'll just do the same exact thing next time and expect a different result.

I'm sure that 2016 was the last time the right wing will ever lie or smear our candidate. So, yeah, by all means, whomever our candidate is next time should just hire ALL of Clinton's team, and then they should do the EXACT same things, because THIS time it will be different. THIS time all those stupid flyover land residents will realize that Fox lies and Hannity is bullshit and the Russians have a vested interest in Trump winning again.

I'm so very glad you're not in charge.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
27. She was never in Wisconsin during the General campaign. They sent surrogates.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:54 PM
Apr 2018

It was bad strategy by a candidate who would have been a great President.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
11. She came through briefly during the primary
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:02 PM
Apr 2018

but never came during the general campaign. Dump was here several times. Near as I can tell they (Clinton’s people) assumed Bernie’s endorsement (he won the Wisconsin primary) would be enough. Who knows maybe it would have been in the absence of Russian shenanigans but it was poor strategy regardless. Wisconsin usually goes D in Presidential elections but not by a ton.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
18. As Mueller wrote in his formal findings.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:16 PM
Apr 2018

Two who benefitted from this coup were Donald Trump & Bernie Sanders.
Pretty much explains the truth of why 2016 happened as it did.

Thank you Robert Mueller.

We all saw what was being sold to America.



 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
28. AHHHH OK I get it now... you're making this another Bernie vs. Hillary thing.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:08 PM
Apr 2018

The old Bernie = Trump because the Russians tried to help both logic.


How could I be so stupid?

elocs

(22,567 posts)
10. Yes, the Clinton campaign couldn't be bothered to have her campaign even once
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:59 PM
Apr 2018

in the general election campaign, so sure that Wisconsin was safely in her column.
That was inept and stupid.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
19. And the Media, & trolls & bots & Gowdys bs trial from day one, and
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:31 PM
Apr 2018

there's a reason why they could never allow her Policy Platform to be amplifyied on any public media forum.

She was offering to America the most liberal & progressive future for all. Had voters actually been given the opportunity to hear & know it, the coup on our country would never have happened.

That is why she was silenced & her name & the good deeds of her life work denigrated.

They literally had to silence her and remake her public image into someone she never was, so they could have their coup.

This strategy btw, is straight up the exact same thing Manafort & Devine did in the Ukraine election to get Putin's choice elected.

Its all documented, & if people are dead serious as to what is going on in our country today, then trust nothing till you have done a background work of you own.

Anyone can say anything, there are some masters of salesmanship out there & when the stakes are as high as overthrowing a govt like the USA, please stop buying the slick bs of the well rewarded salesmen of the Right.



 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
20. I haven't bought any of the RW bull. None of it.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:29 PM
Apr 2018

But the fact remains that Hillary Clinton's campaign was NOT perfect. I could tell you plenty of stories about how crappy the professionals in her campaign office here treated people who came to VOLUNTEER for her campaign, but I'm guessing none of it would matter because you'd take it as an attach on a candidate you see as perfect.

Learn from mistakes, or repeat them and hope somehow for different results? I'll take the former choice.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
31. Wisconsin worked hard for a win in 2016
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:30 PM
Apr 2018

and Trump was declared the winner in a whole lot of purple states, so there's plenty of accountability to go round for 2016 - it's not just the 50/50 states that decided the race. There was red across huge swaths of the country where Democrats were not competitive.

In Wisconsin, between a racially discriminatory voter ID law, an overestimation of Feingold's strength after he was out of the senate for half a decade, and a national Democratic campaign that lost a lot of winnable races, it was a perfect storm. And, overall, this state is more Sanders country than it is Clinton country when it comes to Democratic voters. Wisconsin was a must-win state with an enthusiasm gap and little to no appeal to crossover voters for the presidential ticket.

The tailwind provided by Trump and a highly qualified candidate (Dallet) helped in this election. The state and national Democratic party still need to find a consistent message and strategy. Walker is beatable, but Tammy Baldwin is beatable too. It's going to go down to the wire.

We all had a good election day last week, across the state. Get behind us, work on your own, keep up the winning streak.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
5. Maybe Russians were't attacking WI people on facebook, etc, or messing with vote!! No 3rd party too
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:42 PM
Apr 2018

No Jill Stein type 3rd party.

Wasn't the 2016 vote suspiciously close??

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
9. Libertarian Gary Johnson/Bill Weld and Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:59 PM
Apr 2018

were on the ballot along with 3 other parties plus the pukes. It was close, very close.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
14. In the upcoming special elections for Senate and Assembly
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:52 PM
Apr 2018

These maps seem to show a shift in at least some of the counties involved. That's a good omen!

riversedge

(70,195 posts)
15. It was a lovely start to a Sunday morning when I posted it. Still is. but we have lots of
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:06 PM
Apr 2018

work to do to GOTV. yes. we. do.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
16. It was a nonpartisan election
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:50 PM
Apr 2018

Candidates did not run as Republicans or Democrats. I write Postcards for Democracy, and this was the first time my script did not say "Democrat Jane Doe is running for <office>." It said "Rebecca Dallet is running for Wisconsin Supreme Court." It went on to talk about her experience, our shared values, justice, equality, and so on, sounding very Democratic to me--but maybe not everyone? Supposedly some Republicans support Democratic values if you don't call them that.

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