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Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:33 PM

Barrett thinking about running for Governor again.....

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/sources-tom-barrett-considering-run-for-governor/article_5604fc4c-47f5-508a-9de7-35331bc95e5f.html Will 4th time......

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:53 PM

1. Gosh, I hope not...

I donít think three times the charm.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:30 PM

2. No

 

Please no.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:49 PM

3. Frankly the Left failed him badly in 2010 by refusing to show up at the polls and support him.

And then the Law of Unintended Consequences came to bite us in the ass concerning the recall election and the time between when Walker took office and the recall election that gave him the opportunity to build a strong political machine in Wisconsin funded by the Koch brothers.
But we really need the right Democratic candidate this time because this could be Walker's moment to fall and then the rest of his Republican political machine will follow.

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Response to elocs (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

4. More bashing of "the left"?

Scapegoating does no good at all. It prevents productive thinking about strategy.

Barrett ran a meh, stand pat campaign in 2010 - Walker made false promises about job growth, but the boldness had an impact.The right was energized in an anti-Obama fever, and the Barrett campaign puts out a commercial of the candidate's injuries after the state fair incident. Hopefully the Democratic candidate this time will not run a stand pat campaign, assuming that they will get the vote instead of working to expand the base.

The only benefit of Barrett entering the race would be more news coverage.

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:07 PM

5. Well, I was among the 100,000 in Madison protesting Walker in 2011

but evidently we missed each other.

Scott Walker received 90% of the votes in Wisconsin that went to John McCain in 2008 while Barrett received only around 65% of the votes that went to Barack Obama. Russ Feingold lost the senate seat and the entire state flipped from Democratic control to Republican control. Frankly, too often the Left are fickle and undependable voters while it seems most on the right view voting as their duty. The Left seems to need to be motivated and excited, otherwise too many find it too easy to abdicate their responsibility to get out and vote for the best candidate and not the perfect one.

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 09:54 AM

13. Both/and - need a candidate who inspires AND lefties get off our fat collective arse and go out and

vote... even if its not our preferred candidate. Life is often a series of choices between the lesser of evils.... not only in politics but life in general.

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:51 AM

14. I agree to a degree.

It's important to be active and vote for the better of two candidates (Dems invariably). But I can't see how calling your potential supporters lazy makes a win more likely. In fact, disdain for your potential supporters probably makes it more likely that a meh candidate will be nominated. Concerns about the desire for a more transformative candidate will probably be dismissed, and opportunities to win wind up like the last two WI governor's races, or the presidential races in 1988 and 2016.

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 11:44 AM

15. Read again - discouraged or apathetic is not "lazy" - thats your word. Besides, as a native

Cheddar-head with an ample-sized arse of my own, maybe I was talking about my own self as much as anyone. I always vote but I did not go out and knock on doors as I did during recall election - just out of a "whats the use" feeling.





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Response to elocs (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:22 AM

7. I'm on the left. Everyone I know is on the left.

Aren't you on the left?

We all voted for Barrett. Get over it.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:45 AM

9. Well since you are on the Left and everyone you know is on the Left and I am on the Left

and since we all voted for Barrett there should be no problem, right? Because the trite answer to any problem is to just get over it.

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Response to elocs (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:58 AM

10. Yes and complex problems

Have more than one contributing factor.

Okay you donít like get over it. How about move forward.

PS. How is it if youíre on the left and Iím on the left and everyone I know is on the left and we all voted for Barrett,that the left failed Barrett?

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:07 PM

11. Do you and I kow everyone on the Left?

Why did Walker get 90% of the vote McCain received in 2008 and Walker only got 65% of what Obama had? It's quite simply because too many on the Left chose not to vote because they were unmotivated or pissed at Obama about something. Unless the Left is excited and motivated to vote in an off-year election too many just skip voting. This is nothing new and if we don't learn from our mistakes we will repeat them so it's best to learn that and not just get over it.

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Response to elocs (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:17 PM

12. Did I claim to know everyone on the left.

I am not going to debate you about percentages and last elections.

I am moving forward. I do not think the left failed anyone. That's the discussion and it ends for me now.


Have a good day...

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:24 AM

6. i remember a parade up in sheybogan...fairly close to election day

feingold and barrett were both on the ticket. brat day or some damn thing...
anyway...
one of my kids and i drove up to march with the feingold crew. and he had a bunch there.
Lots of blue t shirts.....
barrett show up with a staffer or tow and no supporters....not even enough to carry his damn banner.
Sheyboygan is what 30 40 miles north of his base...milwaukee...and he doesn't even have a crew of supporters.
my son and i and a few other feingolders switched t shirts and marched as team barrett. At the end of the parade
team barrett needed the t-shirts back....lol
it became obvious even to me that the barrett compaign was toast....

i like barrett, great mayor, great congressman...but damn he can not run a state wide campaign to save his soul....

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:24 AM

8. I agree with you..

That last sentence is it...

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:51 AM

16. Barrett would be a great governor!

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2018, 05:26 PM

17. I like Tom Barrett and he would be a very good Governor

 

but if we canít come up with a more viable candidate then we sorta deserve the almost inevitable result: four more years of Governor Scott K. Walker. You canít run the Mayor of friggin Milwaukee in a statewide race and expect to win... and I say this as a proud native Milwaukeean. Running Soglin (Madison Mayor) would produce the same result for the same reason.

Running Barrett again would be like running Hillary again against Dump: both would be excellent in office, but neither is a viable candidate at this stage of the game.

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