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Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:32 PM

What's in the tea leaves

Hi,

I have never been so confused about UK politics, in all my 69 years.

What is going to happen? Where is the wind blowing?

D.

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Reply What's in the tea leaves (Original post)
Dworkin Apr 2017 OP
caroldansen Apr 2017 #1
caroldansen Apr 2017 #2
angstlessk Apr 2017 #3
Dworkin Apr 2017 #4
LeftishBrit Apr 2017 #5
T_i_B Apr 2017 #6
Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #8
Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #7
Dworkin Apr 2017 #9
T_i_B Apr 2017 #10
Dworkin Apr 2017 #11
Ken Burch Apr 2017 #12

Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:35 PM

1. Honestly, I think trump is winging it.

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Response to caroldansen (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:36 PM

2. But dont worry the democrats are giving him direction. I think he

will listen.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:46 PM

3. I think it's wait and see what happens

The UK never totally embraced the EU, so it's easier for them to forgo, than most other countries?

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:01 PM

4. It was so good

angst,

It was so good being part of Europe; everything seemed so much nicer when we travelled over there. Clear roads, good food, clean hotels, healthcare. Oh well, we can still go to Ireland - Oh wait!

D.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 04:26 AM

5. I think everyone is confused about UK politics, not least the leaders

The Tory PM is weak and nasty at the same time. The Labour leader of the Opposition is IMO (which not everyone here will agree with) is totally not up to it.

For some reason, though the Brexit vote was very close, and age demographics mean that, even if no one changes their mind, it will flip the other way in a few years, the leaders seem to have mostly adopted the idea that it is set in stone forever, and that it is anti-democratic to even seek to reverse or modify it. Worth noting that most of the Leave campaigners before the Referendum said that we'd be staying in the Single Market, and not all Leave voters voted for this sort of Hard Brexit that Mayhem seems to want to impose on us.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 04:35 AM

6. It's depressing

Leaving the EU is shaping up to be a total catastrophe, and people will only wise up to this when confronted with economic collapse and the break up of the United Kingdom.

We live in an extraordinary time where neither of the two main parties of which is one is always in power are either fit for or capable of government.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:17 PM

8. ... And due to the continued lack of proportional representation

no fit nor capable coalition government, European style, is in the offing either.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:27 AM

7. The UK has been directionless for a long time.

The post-Thatcher/Blair consensus under Cameron and Osborne consisted of an obsession with the national debt and deficit in the aftermath of the entirely predictable 2008 crash, and the imposition of endless "austerity" while still allowing the rich to feather their cushy nests.

Both major parties turned in on each other. Labour's still working through that, the Tories have temporarily patched themselves up with the biggest, most nationally self-destructive, most pointless adventure this country's ever embarked on.

Imagine the continued lack of vision and direction if the Brexit vote had gone to Remain.

Now, to cover up the fact that none of our large-party politicians have any idea about a positive course for the future of the UK, Brexit or no Brexit, they've invented a major crisis that's going to overshadow everything else for the foreseeable future. It's a very useful distraction.

Meanwhile, barely remarked upon, awful inhumane legislation is being enacted almost daily - the third-child "rape clause" for receipt of tax credits, cuts in payments to bereaved families, to name just two recent examples - and this before the bonfire of rights after the passage of the Great Repeal Bill that will enable the government to cherrypick and reshape the country's constitution in whatever way it wants with scant if any parliamentary scrutiny. And the government will have a great excuse for any continued austerity measures it wants to enact - get used to being told "we all have to tighten our belts" in the National Cause while the rich figure out ways to capitalize on the situation and grow even richer and it's all the fault of that horrible EU and furriners at home and abroad.

I'm lucky. I live in Scotland. I've no idea how things will pan out here, whether we'll leave the UK, rejoin the EU, whatever. But we at least have a little hope and some options and potentially some say in what will happen, and some politicians who are representing an alternative approach.

At a UK level, unless you're a Brexit supporter, you are now utterly disenfranchised. What you think and want doesn't matter, and you're wrong and an un-British traitor to think and want it, as May and her cronies and the Brexit fans will not hesitate to remind you in no uncertain terms as they parrot "the will of the people".

We'll have to wait and see whether people will continue to put up with all this.

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Response to Denzil_DC (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 03:58 PM

9. Spot on

Denzil,

I think you are spot on with the analysis and forecast - sadly.

D.

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Response to Denzil_DC (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 9, 2017, 05:51 AM

10. I would put it this way....

...whilst I do think that there is a direction with UK politics, that direction appears to be politics motivated by spite.

The main thing dominating British politics is immigrant bashing, which is inevitably borne out of sheer spitefulness (and which is most pronounced in areas with the least immigration).

Beyond that you've got spitefulness towards people with different religious views, different skin pigment, people working in jobs that aren't considered "ideologically pure", people under 30 years old, people with more money and people with no money at all. The idea that politicians should treat others as they would wish to be treated themselves has gone.

Add into this a wilful disregard for any facts that might be considered inconvenient and you've got an extremely poisonous mix. British politics has become something of a repository for the worst in human nature.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:24 AM

11. General election

Hi,

It seems the wind was blowing towards a general election. That's another tedious news cycle that I won't be watching.

D.

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Response to Dworkin (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:35 AM

12. lukewarm, slightly tea-flavored water.

 

Any other questions?

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