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Sun Mar 31, 2019, 10:41 AM

Is Theresa May the Worst Politician Ever?

Scathing, but then so is everything that you see written about UK politics these days from a non UK source

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/opinion/theresa-may.html#click=https://t.co/3wr4pwm9km

Mrs. May’s extraordinary inability to develop or grasp the critical importance of alliances, friendships, coalitions and mutual understanding in politics has destroyed her premiership — and derailed the Brexit process from its beginning to its calamitous stalemate today. This week, Mrs. May sealed her fate. She announced to her Conservative Party that if they voted for the Brexit deal she negotiated with the European Union — and which Parliament had, humiliatingly, voted down twice already — she would finally resign. On Friday afternoon, Parliament voted down the deal for a remarkable third time. What happens next with Brexit remains terrifyingly uncertain and it’s not clear how much longer Mrs. May can hang on. But one way or another, her days are numbered. And the damage is done.

When Mrs. May unexpectedly became the Conservative Party’s leader optimists hoped that despite her dullness — or perhaps because of it — she would be a cautious, careful prime minister. As a former Remainer she could have sought common ground between both Leavers and the 48 percent of voters who wanted to stay. It quickly became clear she would do no such thing.

Mrs. May has made dozens of strategic mistakes in the past three years, from calling a general election that destroyed her parliamentary majority to vindictively sacking talented members of her cabinet who had previously opposed her, to allying herself with the most destructive and intransigent Brexiteers in her Conservative Party. Each of these errors has stemmed from the same fatal flaw: her belief that she can lead and win without paying attention to what her allies, enemies, colleagues — and potential collaborators — want or think. Famously wooden, she seems to regard other crucial players in politics as pieces she can move around a chessboard without motivations of their own.

Mrs. May’s willful ignorance and obstinacy means she has never understood the landscape she’s operating in, where the minefields lie, where the safe places and escape routes might be. She has essentially been blundering her way blindfolded through the most delicate and critical negotiations that Britain has faced since the Second World War, and now she has blown up her political career. She may have blown up the country along the way.

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Reply Is Theresa May the Worst Politician Ever? (Original post)
T_i_B Mar 2019 OP
vlyons Mar 2019 #1
democratisphere Mar 2019 #2
Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #3
unblock Mar 2019 #7
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #4
Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #8
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #9
muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #15
Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #16
Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #5
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #10
Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #11
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #12
muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #17
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #19
LeftishBrit Apr 2019 #20
T_i_B Mar 2019 #13
Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #14
T_i_B Mar 2019 #18
Doodley Mar 2019 #6
LeftishBrit Apr 2019 #21

Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 10:44 AM

1. No, Donald Trump is the worst

nt

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Response to vlyons (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 10:51 AM

2. Yep. America's finest wannabe authoritarian dictator.

The worst and beyond.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 10:55 AM

3. Trumps fraudulency, malfeasance and corruption doesn't hold a candle to May.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:14 AM

7. donnie may be the more dangerous, but as a politician,

donnie has at least found a certain narrow line of support on which he can rely to keep him in power.
it's certainly unusual outside of authoritarian regimes, but by stoking a powerful minority, feeding the media, and giving gifts to the ultra rich, he's found a political way to keep himself in the white house.

may has done no comparable thing. no one likes her. the only reason i can see that she's remained in 10 downing for as long as she has is because no one else really wants to be p.m. when brexit actually happens.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:08 AM

4. Jeremy Corbyn might be worse since he can't lead

Labour to victory over the incompetent Conservative Party.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:14 AM

8. He's actually getting close to her in the polls.

At least she has a position on Brexit. Corbyn's position is just that he wants to be PM.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:18 AM

9. Given Theresa May's complete failure to move

away from a hard Brexit the fact that Corbyn is getting closer to her in the polls is pretty damning.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:14 PM

15. Labour are leading now

The latest poll: new poll put Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party five points clear of the Tories

and if you look at others, it's been neck and neck for the past 2 weeks: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ ('latest voting intention' at the right)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:19 PM

16. Labour are, yes. They'd almost have to be, considering Brexit and the Lib-Dems' recent history

But my understanding is that Corbyn himself is still horribly underwater personally after his manipulative and unprincipled weaseling. Which, honestly, he should be. But a rising tide lifts all boats--even one as flawed as Corbyn.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:12 AM

5. Americans really don't have a grip on how awful May has been.

Her immigration polices while Home Secretary are still an embarrassment, and the character flaws on display when she accepted the poisoned chalice and became the PM who committed Brexit (not even BoJo was stupid enough for that one) have only been magnified since then. An ill-advised snap election leading to an alliance with the most evil party in UK politics, negotiating Brexit with her own party rather than the EU, ramming that stupid deal through what looks like a fourth time because she's not smart enough to do anything else, hiring incompetents like Grayling...

As a citizen of both countries, Britain would actually get the better end of it in a straight trade.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:19 AM

10. It could be worse, they could make Boris Johnson PM.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM

11. He's a better dancer, so there's that.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:26 AM

12. And he has better hair than either May or Corbyn.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:22 PM

17. He is joint favourite to be the next PM, and May a virtual certainty to be out this year

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics (May exit date 2019 1/10 odds; Johnson joint (with the awful Michael Gove) or slight favourite as next PM/Tory leader at around 5/1)

The bookies still think the Tories will get more seats than Labour at the next election, and votes: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-votes

though that may be because they think the Tories will stave off an election long enough to recover. But a Labour-SNP coalition or "confidence and supply" agreement is still very possible.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:57 PM

19. I feel bad for our British friends and wish them a speedy recovery.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:32 AM

20. Thank you! And the same for the Americans!

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:57 AM

13. Boris Johnson's 2016 leadership campaign...

...was a non starter after Michael Gove stabbed him in the back. Gove's actions ruined his own leadership campaign and gave him a reputation for treachery even among his own side.

But that brings us to another of Theresa May's flaws. She has shown herself to be dreadful at making appointments. Boris Johnson as foreign secretary was a total disaster, the likes of Andrea Leadsom and David Davis have been similarly terrible and Chris Grayling's continued presence in the cabinet is a total mystery.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:07 PM

14. Failing Grayling may be the gold standard

I'm not sure any three Trump appointees could give him a run for sheer incompetence.

But I do still marvel at May's desire to be PM during Brexit. The sheer grasping ambition in getting to Downing Street for that purpose is appalling.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:15 PM

18. Others did want the job

But she posed as the candidate most likely to unite the party and the country. She's failed badly on both counts.

May was the front-runner in the 2016 Tory leadership contest from the start, but if Andrea Leadsom hadn't pulled out when she did then grassroots Tories may well have been loony enough to elect her and not Theresa May leader.

And that brings us to another problem, as dreadful as Theresa May has been the alternatives to her in the Conservative Party are even worse. And as can be seen my events in Beaconsfield, grassroots Tories value ideological purity over common sense. Grassroots Tories are more likely to elect somebody like IDS or Michael Gove who will make things much worse.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:13 AM

6. Has the author never heard of Donald Trump?

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:35 AM

21. No - not as bad as Trump, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, Orban, etc etc

Or even as bad as whoever is likely to replace her!

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