Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:15 PM Mar 2019

Theresa May is being advised by constitutional legal experts that she can ask Queen Elizabeth to....

Theresa May is being advised by constitutional legal experts that she can ask Queen Elizabeth to refuse to grant royal assent to (soft) Brexit legislation put forward by Parliament.






https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theresa-mays-cabinet-close-to-collapse-7mqd00nwg

(registration required)

But two leading constitutional experts have warned that the government has the right to ask the Queen to refuse to give royal assent to any bill forced on the government by backbenchers.

A paper passed to No 10 yesterday warns that attempts by backbenchers to seize power from the government will “provoke damaging institutional conflict” and “may prompt the government to respond with countermeasures”.

The document, written by Sir Stephen Laws QC, a former first parliamentary counsel — the government’s most senior lawyer on constitutional matters — and Professor Richard Ekins, head of the think tank Policy Exchange’s judicial power project, reads: “The process of royal assent has become a formality, but if legislation would otherwise be passed by an abuse of constitutional process . . . the government might plausibly decide to advise Her Majesty not to assent to the bill” — though it would be preferable for MPs not to force the matter.

Senior government sources said such a nuclear option would be difficult since the Queen is supposed to be above politics. But May’s advisers acknowledged that she is facing an almost impossible situation this week.
6 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Theresa May is being advised by constitutional legal experts that she can ask Queen Elizabeth to.... (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2019 OP
Great, turn a pretend dictator into a real one... zaj Mar 2019 #1
The Queen will tell her to bugger off... Soph0571 Mar 2019 #2
When was the last time the monarch made such a move? defacto7 Mar 2019 #3
Queen Anne, 1708 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #4
Not exactly a common event. Neither is the likes of Brexit. defacto7 Mar 2019 #5
A reply from an LSE law professor - he sees this as fundamentally dangerous muriel_volestrangler Apr 2019 #6
 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
1. Great, turn a pretend dictator into a real one...
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:18 PM
Mar 2019

... right in the middle of a global attack on democracy.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
4. Queen Anne, 1708
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:56 PM
Mar 2019
The last bill that was refused assent by the sovereign (on the advice of ministers) was the Scottish Militia Bill during Queen Anne's reign in 1708.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent

What's 300 years of precedent between friends?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
6. A reply from an LSE law professor - he sees this as fundamentally dangerous
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 09:25 AM
Apr 2019
This leaves us with a clash between two important and well-established rules, which normally pull in the same direction (I’m being charitable to Ekins and Laws, as the better view is probably that the first of these rules does not apply to the legislative context): 1. the monarch ought to act on ministerial advice; 2. the monarch ought not to withhold assent to legislation.
...
When we talk about supremacy we mean who has the authority to legislate: not who gets to draft the laws, but who gets to decide what counts as law. The situation that Ekins and Laws imagine is one marked not by failure or stasis – in which, for instance, no parliamentary agreement can be found (the situation we are still in fact in). In their scenario, legislation has been passed by Parliament, if in a politically – but not legally – unconventional way. What is said to justify overriding fundamental constitutional principle is the attempt by the Commons to seize power from the government. Constitutionally, there is no injury here to redress, for the simple reason that the relevant power – the constitutional authority to pass laws – was never the government’s to lose.

What Ekins and Laws suggest, in effect, is getting the monarch to thwart Parliament in the interests of the executive. At the level of principle, this is little short of monstrous. It invents for the 21st-century executive, out of the archaic form of the monarch’s ‘negative voice’, a power to veto legislation. They invoke a principle that the law should not be changed until both the government and Parliament have agreed that it should be. There is no such principle. The claim confuses the normal with the norm, how legislation is typically passed with the rules that govern the process: whether or not a statute is proposed by government is immaterial. It also assumes that the UK executive has a separate source of democratic legitimacy, like the elected (and veto-wielding) US president. But in the Westminster system, democratic authority is channelled through Parliament. Constitutionally speaking, we vote for MPs and a government is formed from among their number.

The proposal, flimsy and fanciful, may be risible as a constitutional proposition. But it is no joke. There is a serious undercurrent to all this. What animates the Judicial Power Project, with which Ekins is intimately associated, remains unclear. But it is not only the rise, as they see it, of judicial power. As Ekins’s writings on Brexit display, its targets seemingly include any institutional check on executive power, political as much as legal. This is not, to my mind, a programme of constitutional conservatism in the spirit of Blackstone or Burke. It is an anarcho-conservatism more familiar from the work of counter-revolutionaries such as Carl Schmitt. Authoritarian rather than conservative in disposition, it treats established constitutional forms and norms as fungible, even disposable, and presses exceptional moments in the direction of a central authority delivering the ‘will of the people’. For all the constitutional posturing, the object of the power so directed is to make it easier to realise a purified version of an imagined past.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2019/april/the-executive-power-project

Both these lawyers hold senior posts at Policy Exchange, a think tank with worrying influence over the Tories. They seem to want to take advantage of a crisis to damage democracy.
Latest Discussions»Region Forums»United Kingdom»Theresa May is being advi...