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Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:42 PM

Such terrible luck with these Irish Sea border shenanigans




Poor @BorisJohnson. Such terrible luck with these Irish Sea border shenanigans. And so unexpected. Not like a border in Ireland versus a border with Britain has ever led to violence in Northern Ireland before. Seems like hes just done his best. Again.


Who would have thunk it?!?!





You can hear it from the before times. 'No Surrender!' 'Ulster says no!'.
The language of the troubles back front and centre... who could possibly have predicted it 👀


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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 05:48 PM

1. I first knew of Patrick Kielty as a rather brash young comedian/compere on TV,

and didn't have an awful lot of time for him.

Knowing better now, when he talks about Irish politics, I tend to listen more closely:

Kielty was born in Downpatrick, County Down, Northern Ireland, and grew up in the neighbouring village of Dundrum. He is one of three sons born to the businessman John "Jack" Kielty, who was shot dead on 25 January 1988 by the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), a cover name used by loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). John Kielty was to have been a key witness in Central Television's defence of a libel action brought by Jim Craig, who was suing the television company over a broadcast of The Cook Report which connected him to racketeering, and is said to have ordered John Kielty's murder.
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In 2018, Kielty presented a documentary, My Dad, the Peace Deal and Me for BBC Two. The programme, coinciding with the 20th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement, explored the state of Northern Ireland two decades on from the Agreement. Kielty discussed the killing of his father and the effect it had on him, as well as his decision to vote Yes to the Agreement in a referendum, even though it would result in the release from gaol of his father's killers. He also interviewed former paramilitary activists from both sides of the struggle, DUP leader Arlene Foster, school students at an integrated (non-denominational) school and a man who was blinded as a small boy by a rubber bullet fired by a British soldier, whom he later befriended.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Kielty

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 05:50 PM

2. I'm guessing at least 5 million people

The population of Ireland

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 08:09 PM

3. I read The BBC and The Guardian every day and I've never understood Brexit. Except

that the same corruption that gave the U.K. Brexit gave us tRUMP. Now we Yanks are moving
upward and onward towards the light and I can only wish the same for my cousins in Sussex
and everyone in the U.K.

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2021, 12:21 AM

5. Anyone who says that they fully understand the issue is lying

I have opposed this nonsense for years because of the implications for trade, but I never thought things would be this bad.

And even then I didn't understand the implications for fishing, agriculture, musicians, events, regeneration, universities and Northern Ireland.

It also didn't help that a bad deal was waived through Parliament with zero scrutiny at the last minute, giving businesses no time at all to prepare.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 04:28 PM

6. I always thought it was through blind faith in different religions.

I lived in a community with a very large, very catholic community. I always remember that the best times I had was in a very Irish pub. I had a dear friend who was born in Ireland and the memories of her sweet voice as we used to belt out songs, most Irish, and how much fun we had.

The most vivid memory was how we all stayed after hours, belting out Irish songs and leaving in a hurry after a friend let us know that the police were on the way to check out if alcohol was being served afters, it was. They, the police, met us as we were creeping out the back door.
Ah, the good old days.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:06 PM

7. I was referring to something different that inspires blind faith

Namely the disastrous project to leave the EU and the inability of its supporters to understand it's consequences.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

4. I can sympathise a little with Unionists here

They have been screwed over, and current trading arrangements are ridiculous.

However, they do need to look at who it is who's actually been screwing them over in this case. Namely the Conservatives and the DUP!

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