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https://medium.com/@KateVotesLabour/so-mr-corbyn-what-made-you-appoint-facism-apologist-seumas-milne-a17699132dae#.n1co7kxskShe whining for no reason right? Seumas Milne is an idol.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)And whom do you want as leader of the Labour Party? There are no doubt genuine criticisms to be made of Corbyn, but all your posts lately seem to be pure sneering, without any constructive alternatives.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)I voted for Andy Burnham, but Corbyn won and rather impressively so. The party needs to recognise who won, respect the result and stop whinging. It only helps the Tories just like when the gang of four left to join the SDP.
Most criticisms of Corbyn seem to be tabloid lead notions along the line of the British people will never swallow that idea. The only test that really matters is the ballot box and the Oldham by election was a resounding success.
His critics need to shut up and get on board. He should remain as leader for the next election as long as Labour keeps winning council and Europe elections in the meantime.
This isn't even the important battle right now which is to stop UKIP screwing up our kid's futures by leaving the EU.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)and Labour need to get their act together against the real enemy rather than fighting each other all the time.
I had reservations about all the leadership candidates, and gave my first preference without enthusiasm to Yvette Cooper; but the continual sniping against Corbyn is just playing into Cameron's hands. And it's not just Corbyn either; both Brown and Miliband were sabotaged in ways that might even have made the difference in the last two rather close elections.
I think that genuine criticism of policies is fine; MPs are not rubber stamps, or one might as well just save money by replacing them with real rubber stamps. But the personal infighting is another matter.
My biggest issues are the cuts and privatization, more than the EU; but regardless, the Right are our real political enemy.
PS Welcome to DU!
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)For the welcome. I've only just started here, and it's only the second forum I've been on.
I think Brown has a lot to do with all the backbiting from when he was a pissed off chancellor. He was very good at giving alternative briefings, but not on anything important like invading Iraq, and his coronation after Blair stepped down was a joke.
Our Mps need to stick to party policy which is defined by conference not individuals and get behind the party leader. As long as Corbyn continues winning elections he should stay.
There's two arguments here, either it's the 80s all over again with a leader who's too leftwing (or ginger) for the voting public or we've got a leader who can draw back all the disaffected non voters/Green defectors and galvanise the youth. I honestly don't know which, but if party members keep criticising the leadership we'll lose.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)I don't think he was great, but he was a lot better on things like health and education than Blair was; and he got scapegoated by the Right for the global economic crisis: 'It's all due to Labour overspending' - then how come it happened everywhere?
I think that Blair dissed him as much as the other way round.
I think our last good Prime Minister was Harold Wilson, and James Callaghan was better than anyone since.
I don't know whether Corbyn or who is going to reclaim the Labour voters; but I agree that constant sniping and infighting will not help.
non sociopath skin
(4,972 posts)The Skin
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T_i_B
(14,737 posts)As I've volunteered for the Stronger In campaign to stay in the EU, of which she runs the East Midlands campaign.
She was very nice indeed and very helpful. I'm sure that's not what our trolling friend wants to hear but there you go.