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Related: About this forumWhy do Evangelicals support Trump?
He has unethical business practices, curses, abuses women, minorities and disabled people and instructs his followers to watch porn.
How can the Evangelical community claim to be morally superior when they support such an immoral man?
JenniferJuniper
(4,511 posts)Many/most fundamentalists don't believe women should have authority over men.
winetourdriver
(196 posts)It's a patriarchal culture, they do not believe women should hold positions of real power.
Nay
(12,051 posts)at the moon. They are the drudges and are to do what they are told. Period.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)are willing to look the other way on those things because they think he will deliver on the prohibitions to society they most desire.
I think your question is fair. And I think any answer the pro-Trump evangelical community might offer would be flimsy at best.
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)kacekwl
(7,016 posts)They know if elected they will have another puppet figurehead as president and they can do as they want while he tweets and has his picture taken . He can't and won't do the job.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)agenda..roe v wade - overturn w/SCOTUS - the religious right the white supremacists, will have a field day - trump is their puppet...just look at SPLC write up re CNP - of whom Conway and bannon are members...the alt right is very active -behind the scenes,,,
perdita9
(1,144 posts)...and wrote people off if they said a swear word. I don't understand why the religious zealots can support Trump. He represents everything they preach against
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)They still want Roe v Wade overturned.
Also, like another poster already stated, Trump is a man. Many evangelicals believe that women should be silent followers of men, not leaders.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)mind, on a whim, and give no rational explanation or refuse that he was ever on their side. He is a hustler who is also all the bad things he has shown us.
If they want him to do their bidding he will extract payment. He is so dangerous. He may not even remember being this jerk and become another kind of selfish jerk. He cannot go to far off his basic personality, but he can change the focus of his deceptive practices. Is he a actual sociopath? Maybe so.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)If not that, he just might be the most self-absorbed human on the planet! I agree that they shouldn't trsut him to do their bidding. Look at his long history of broken contracts and promises.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)heartland. I am assuming you are from Ohio and I appreciate your posts.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I can't really tell just from people that I've met. The liberals here tend to be more quiet too.
Ohio is basically Kentucky and West Virginia in some areas, especially in the southern parts. If not for those people, I think Ohio would be solid blue. There's also a few people who have a "throw the bums out" attitude about Washington, and they see Hillary as a long-time political insider. They don't seem to care that Trump is an unstable ignoramus!
At least the Cincinnati Enquirer, a VERY conservative newspaper, recently endorsed Hillary because their editors correctly perceive Trump as a "clear and present danger."
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)As for liberals being more quiet here, I've observed stuff like co-workers on lunch breaks turning the break room TV from FOX to CNN (after the loudmouth right wingers left) as they say stuff like, "I'm so sick of seeing that idiotic shit every day! Those assholes always put it on FOX!" You'd never know their political views most of the time! I think most of the liberals here know that the "tea party" types are nuts and not worth engaging.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Posters here have covered this ground very well. Some very sure-footed (and well-founded) replies to the OP.
The article is a concise examination, and for each of its salient points, a longer discussion could be undertaken.
Very useful for considering what motivates many Trump supporters.
Mike Nelson
(9,953 posts)...nominate Supreme Court Justices to stop abortion, gay marriage, etc... Also, they think Hillary and Obama do not know their "place".
vlyons
(10,252 posts)They want to impose Christian Dominion theology on the United States. They want to be powerful enough to claim Christian dominion over the seven pillars of society: business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion. Very scarey.
http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/dominionism.htm
http://www.7culturalmountains.org/
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)I've tried (and mostly failed) to have conversations with some of these folks. Their responses were often robotic and unfeeling, exhibiting a sort of reflexive cult-like reaction in form and content.
Very heavy reference to the Authority of their God, without any examination of the difference between their personal belief and public policy.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)It's liked canned soup. Just add water and stir. Critical thinking and quiet refection are not required. Which would be fine if they only had dogmatic theology for themselves. But they want to impose it on you and me. Absolutely the same mindset as the Taliban and the Inquisition. Very scarey.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the Inquisition.
The garments and rituals vary a bit but the mindset is in essence the same.
LiberalFighter
(50,909 posts)PoiBoy
(1,542 posts)..in other words...the Supreme Court..
these people really miss Scalia...IMO...
Excellent articles posted above..!!
Warpy
(111,254 posts)because they think that'll knock Jebus off his heavenly throne and force him to come back after they've all been ruptured up to hebbin.
Yeah, they really believe that bullshit.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... and she acted happy about it! Not in word, but in attitude.
She's a religious kook, so I later surmised that she might've thought the rapture had finally arrived. That's ridiculous, of course, but she's got many strange ideas.
EDIT: My oldest brother says that she and our religious brother were both very gullible about "monsters" and "Santa Claus" as little kids, and I was the opposite. That makes me wonder if there's a genetic aspect to that kind of thinking.
Warpy
(111,254 posts)who claim to have direct experience of some higher being, sort of a variation on the "third man factor," something that has been widely reported in all sorts of people under extreme stress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Man_factor
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)There might be some people who are more prone to such experiences.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)That identity has an ingrained "us & them" mentality. The "other" is manifested by intolerance to include those of differing religious beliefs, non-heterosexual sexual orientation, women who do not abide by "traditional" gender roles, and those in poverty who are somehow "lazy and willfully dependent". Evangelicals' religious identity serves as a self-righteous facade that justifies actions and conclusions that would not be condoned by any serious scholar of core Christianity.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)He released a list of supreme court nominees given to him by the family council or some sort of right wing nut group. I asked one of them why they would believe that, he replied everyone knows what Hillary would do but at least with trump there's a chance. Nothing else matters to them.
rurallib
(62,411 posts)I have come to the conclusion that power is all they care about
iandhr
(6,852 posts)... to them. Or to put it another way.
Every sperm is scared every sperm is great if a sperm is wasted god gets quite
https://m.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)What does the soul do? Pull some "levers" in the brain sometimes?
The idea has always struck me as ridiculous. I don't see how a fetus could be deemed "human" until it shows some human-like brain waves, and that doesn't start for many weeks after conception.
As for a soul being in the fetus after conception, what about chimeras -- i.e., separately fertilized eggs that later fuse together? Do they have TWO souls?
Their thinking is very sloppy.
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 30, 2016, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)
Dictatorial Christian Theocracy.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)I was once told by an evangelical nut job that if you were a Christian, you had to vote republican. It's the last time I went to church.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)I posted with reference to a Daily Kos article and that references studies of Right Wing Authoritarian Followers by Altemeyer and others.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8065442
Each table has multiple characteristics that are aspects of that dimension, see the link.
Table 1: Hostility & Fear Toward Outgroups
Table 2: Not-So-Healthy Ingroup Cohesion
Table 3: Faulty reasoning
Table 4: Profound Character Flaws
Table 5: Blindness To Own Failings
Table 6: RWA's Political Tendencies
iceman8322
(2 posts)Trump is a crook, a liar, a conman, a thief, a misogynist, a xenophobe, a racist, an adulterer, an accused pedophile, a deadbeat and now we find out he appeared in a porn movie. In other words, he's the perfect right-wing christian candidate.