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Yallow (1,926 posts)

Were Electronic Voting Machines Hacked? - Did Hillary Actually Win All Those States?

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I read a few reports about certain machines not surviving an audit used for primary voting in Illinois.

Then there's this...

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/17/the-big-2016-danger-may-be-electronic-voting-machines/

The (primary) votes were counted by "The Party" and reported.

What could go wrong there?

It is amazing where there were caucuses, and voting was open to inspection, Bernie won overwhelmingly.

Maybe there is no cheating.

From what I have seen in the past (Don Siegelman) I don't trust "The Party" to do anything fair in the coronation of their chosen queen. I would bet everything I own that the votes "reported" were not what was cast.

Conspiracy? Maybe, but from what I've seen, election fraud is to be expected. You vote, and the counters tell you who won with their secret, non open source, easily hacked garbage software. Sounds perfectly fair right? Zero verification in many areas.

We're so screwed.

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Were Electronic Voting Machines Hacked? - Did Hillary Actually Win All Those States? (Original post)	Yallow	Apr 2016	OP
"What could go wrong there?"	dchill	Apr 2016	#1
The electronic voting system has been abused from the start	tikka	Apr 2016	#2
The results have reflected the polls leading into the contests.	stopbush	Apr 2016	#3
What about the purging in Brooklyn.	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#8
Well, those problems in Brooklyn affected Hillary, not Sanders.	stopbush	Apr 2016	#10
really?	greymouse	Apr 2016	#56
Bernie's "home" territory whee he hasn't lived in how many decades?	Chicago1980	Apr 2016	#71
Isn't that a joke? He turned his back on Brooklyn in his twenties and made his home in VT.	pnwmom	Apr 2016	#97
Hillary was the strongest in all 5 boroughs. Brooklyn was in for Hillary, not Bernie.	pnwmom	Apr 2016	#96
so said the blackboxes	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#128
The OP doesn't apply to NY because NY doesn't use electronic voting machines--only verifiable paper.	pnwmom	Apr 2016	#141
they count the paper ballots with optical scanners that are electronic	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#142
The paper ballots remain and can be easily verified. nt	pnwmom	Apr 2016	#143
except they aren't verified	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#145
How so?	Wibly	Apr 2016	#69
Exit polls are the way to verify the integrity of elections.	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#9
And Bernie won MA:	HeartoftheMidwest	Apr 2016	#24
Interesting piece. Thanks for directing me to it! (N/T)	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#25
You're welcome.	HeartoftheMidwest	Apr 2016	#31
5) Accuse all criticism of obvious election anomalies as the product of conspiracy theory whiners.	sorechasm	Apr 2016	#90
Well done!!	HeartoftheMidwest	Apr 2016	#98
As international observer here since 2003 I concur,	Ghost Dog	Apr 2016	#103
Well said. The reason nothing gets done to fix the election process is that we expect something	rhett o rick	Apr 2016	#125
And the hits just keep coming.	Major Hogwash	Apr 2016	#88
Disturbing.	Enthusiast	Apr 2016	#29
That was my reaction also: "Disturbing."	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#36
Precisely.	Enthusiast	Apr 2016	#42
+ infinity	berniepdx420	Apr 2016	#60
Because people always answer truthfully	dlwickham	Apr 2016	#65
The way to verify the integrity of an election ...	aggiesal	Apr 2016	#67
If ballots can be hand-counted, yes.	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#78
I agree ...	aggiesal	Apr 2016	#124
And I am 100% sure the polls and pollsters could never be bought and sold....	berniepdx420	Apr 2016	#59
Technically, it's not election fraud	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#4
Not exactly.	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#11
this is correct.	Kip Humphrey	Apr 2016	#18
No that would be voter fraud	Fiendish Thingy	Apr 2016	#13
No, what you describe is voter fraud.	SusanCalvin	Apr 2016	#45
Voter fraud is what you said was election fraud, voter fraud is pretty rare.	All in it together	Apr 2016	#111
We cannot have another stolen election	felix_numinous	Apr 2016	#5
The primaries have already been stolen,	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#12
I agree	felix_numinous	Apr 2016	#14
...and given the positions of the "frontrunners", which party wins may not make a big difference.	bbgrunt	Apr 2016	#16
Not getting enough voters to vote for your preferred choice does	cstanleytech	Apr 2016	#17
If you are able to view the situation objectively...	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#22
Nice	felix_numinous	Apr 2016	#44
When the same problems show up in state after state there	jwirr	Apr 2016	#38
No, I am not expecting you to sweep anything under the rug I am just pointing out that	cstanleytech	Apr 2016	#85
As far as I know no one has suggested that.	jwirr	Apr 2016	#95
Too late. It has already happened.	Enthusiast	Apr 2016	#30
It has	felix_numinous	Apr 2016	#34
Do you often visit Ed Morrissey's website for news on Democrats?	Dr Hobbitstein	Apr 2016	#6
The More You Ignore Him, The Closer He Gets	Orrex	Apr 2016	#15
The best analysis of the exit poll discrepancies I've seen...	Old Crow	Apr 2016	#7
I said this would happen before primary voting began.	stillwaiting	Apr 2016	#19
And you are not the only one.	zeemike	Apr 2016	#58
Enough of us are mobilized with Bernie to make this an issue at the Convention.	stillwaiting	Apr 2016	#73
We can't expect Bernie to lead this.	zeemike	Apr 2016	#84
I agree we can't expect Bernie to lead us.	stillwaiting	Apr 2016	#86
Did This Crap Happen In The Primaries?	Yallow	Apr 2016	#20
A Nice Even Number	Yallow	Apr 2016	#21
Actually it was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy to engage in election fraud.	Enthusiast	Apr 2016	#32
Yep. That too. nt	SusanCalvin	Apr 2016	#46
Yallow, for a paper record	saidsimplesimon	Apr 2016	#23
The Chicago election board audit is particularly frustrating because even audit of paper records...	lostnfound	Apr 2016	#62
Paper ballots have always been easy to screw with.	LiberalArkie	Apr 2016	#101
Paper ballots are re-countable, but there's no paper trail on voting machines.	All in it together	Apr 2016	#118
paper ballots counted openly,live streamed on the net, with multiple observers would be difficult to	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#127
It used to be that people made out their paper ballot and stuffed them into the ballot box at the	LiberalArkie	Apr 2016	#129
hand counted paper ballots at the precinct is the answer	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#130
It would take a while since the county clerk has watch the counting so that the county	LiberalArkie	Apr 2016	#132
no the county clerk does not have to watch the counting	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#139
HotAir is a right wing nut website.	Gman	Apr 2016	#26
It Was Just The First Google Search Result	Yallow	Apr 2016	#35
It's still a right wing website	Gman	Apr 2016	#119
Welcome to the digital age	SmittynMo	Apr 2016	#27
It's the inevitability	libodem	Apr 2016	#28
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible violent revolution becomes inevitable.	kpola12	Apr 2016	#33
And those were JFK's words for anyone who is interested.	jwirr	Apr 2016	#43
yes, as we were warned...	Dragonfli	Apr 2016	#114
Election Fraud Found In Illinois, But Who Cares Right	Yallow	Apr 2016	#37
No and yes. nt	OhZone	Apr 2016	#39
We'll have paper ballots as well as electronic in Maryland	Merryland	Apr 2016	#40
Welll u went to the right source,,,,,,,	Cryptoad	Apr 2016	#41
Went Right To The Google	Yallow	Apr 2016	#48
The very counting of our votes was PRIVATIZED during the 2002 to 2004 period,	Peace Patriot	Apr 2016	#47
^THIS^	SusanCalvin	Apr 2016	#50
You Can't Say Tea Party	Yallow	Apr 2016	#51
HAVA was a big scam. And poor ol' Rush Holt got taken in. nt	SusanCalvin	Apr 2016	#49
HAVA=Hinder Americans from Voting Act!	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#89
HAVA = Electronic Voting Machines = Oligarchs Get More Control	Yallow	Apr 2016	#52
Yes and no. nt	KansDem	Apr 2016	#53
LOL	liberal N proud	Apr 2016	#54
LOL... again	AlbertCat	Apr 2016	#68
.	RandySF	Apr 2016	#55
Chicago Board Of Elections = Tin Foil Hats Too?	Yallow	Apr 2016	#57
How To Hack A Voting Machine	Yallow	Apr 2016	#61
Were electonic voting machines hacked? Did Bernie actually win all those states?	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#63
any different from that of Hillary?	AlbertCat	Apr 2016	#70
That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor?	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#74
That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor?	AlbertCat	Apr 2016	#75
I am on subject. That was only half of my post.	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#80
You folks and your vote popular votes.	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#93
Hmmm... a Bernie supporter who knows how to hack a voting machine...	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#99
A coin flip with the double headed coin and you calling it, I presume. n/t	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#100
You are not accepting popular vote and/or delegate count as a measure of election outcome.	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#102
Actually Watching MSNBC Show Delegate Math Counting Super Delegate Totals	Yallow	Apr 2016	#104
So a staring contest is OK by you to determine the winner?	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#108
Oh, good	RoccoR5955	Apr 2016	#109
You seem to be fresh out of suggestions for how to determine a winner of the primaries.	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#112
You Forgot Campaign Contributions Being Illegally Washed Through The DNC	Yallow	Apr 2016	#113
Ah, good thing you remember the things that don't exist!	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#115
I Watched The MSNBC Crew Trash Bernie Non Stop	Yallow	Apr 2016	#116
Bernie outspent Hillary in the US	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#117
That's only hard money to the campaign, Hillary gets much of hers through other organizations	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#133
You want me to include PAC money? OK.	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#135
SuperPACs	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#136
Couldn't find data on super pac spending, but here's what they raised:	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#140
You just keep deflecting	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#146
I accept your surrender. Hard as you may, you can't argue with the numbers.	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#148
It's a fair question. So. You're in favor of a full audit?	Scootaloo	Apr 2016	#79
Absolutely!	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#81
Cool. I look forward to your OP calling for it.	Scootaloo	Apr 2016	#82
And I look forward to your OP advocating for gun control	beastie boy	Apr 2016	#83
I posted earlier about some of there strange results in New York	passy	Apr 2016	#64
Democracy is a lip service item only. nt	valerief	Apr 2016	#66
Did Bernie actually win those states?	SansACause	Apr 2016	#72
Darn	MFM008	Apr 2016	#76
How can we fix this? I do not trust either party.	Jackilope	Apr 2016	#77
There is a shameful lack of transparency.	Vote2016	Apr 2016	#87
The question of voteing manipulation is serious	randr	Apr 2016	#91
The electronic voting scares me	jpmonk91	Apr 2016	#92
As long as private money	Thespian2	Apr 2016	#94
The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -	ish of the hammer	Apr 2016	#105
Nothing could be sillier	sulphurdunn	Apr 2016	#106
exactly...look at everything the ptb do right in front of us	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#110
The only real win is	WhiteTara	Apr 2016	#107
The thing about touchscreen voting is that you never know for sure what happened	eridani	Apr 2016	#120
In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights.	Scuba	Apr 2016	#121
I Sure Don't Trust Them	colsohlibgal	Apr 2016	#122
I am 100% certain that the fraud that has been	FlatBaroque	Apr 2016	#123
NO...she did not.	ViseGrip	Apr 2016	#126
Old VS New? Proposed?	SmittynMo	Apr 2016	#131
Exactly, I have never understood the "takes too long" argument	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#134
So why hasn't "The establishment" fixed this?	SmittynMo	Apr 2016	#137
I assume both major parties benefit from it	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#138
hand counted ballots at the precinct while being live streamed would be transparent	questionseverything	Apr 2016	#144
Yes	dreamnightwind	Apr 2016	#147
if that is what it takes - make it so	clarkkentvotes	Sep 2016	#149

Response to Yallow (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:29 AM

dchill (26,953 posts)

1. "What could go wrong there?"

You're looking at it.

Were Electronic Voting Machines Hacked? - Did Hillary Actually Win All Those States?

1. "What could go wrong there?"

2. The electronic voting system has been abused from the start

3. The results have reflected the polls leading into the contests.

8. What about the purging in Brooklyn.

10. Well, those problems in Brooklyn affected Hillary, not Sanders.

56. really?

71. Bernie's "home" territory whee he hasn't lived in how many decades?

97. Isn't that a joke? He turned his back on Brooklyn in his twenties and made his home in VT.

96. Hillary was the strongest in all 5 boroughs. Brooklyn was in for Hillary, not Bernie.

128. so said the blackboxes

141. The OP doesn't apply to NY because NY doesn't use electronic voting machines--only verifiable paper.

142. they count the paper ballots with optical scanners that are electronic

143. The paper ballots remain and can be easily verified. nt

145. except they aren't verified

69. How so?

9. Exit polls are the way to verify the integrity of elections.

24. And Bernie won MA:

25. Interesting piece. Thanks for directing me to it! (N/T)

31. You're welcome.

90. 5) Accuse all criticism of obvious election anomalies as the product of conspiracy theory whiners.

98. Well done!!

103. As international observer here since 2003 I concur,

125. Well said. The reason nothing gets done to fix the election process is that we expect something

88. And the hits just keep coming.

29. Disturbing.

36. That was my reaction also: "Disturbing."

42. Precisely.

60. + infinity

65. Because people always answer truthfully

67. The way to verify the integrity of an election ...

78. If ballots can be hand-counted, yes.

124. I agree ...

59. And I am 100% sure the polls and pollsters could never be bought and sold....

4. Technically, it's not election fraud

11. Not exactly.

18. this is correct.

13. No that would be voter fraud

45. No, what you describe is voter fraud.

111. Voter fraud is what you said was election fraud, voter fraud is pretty rare.

5. We cannot have another stolen election

12. The primaries have already been stolen,

14. I agree

16. ...and given the positions of the "frontrunners", which party wins may not make a big difference.

17. Not getting enough voters to vote for your preferred choice does

22. If you are able to view the situation objectively...

44. Nice

38. When the same problems show up in state after state there

85. No, I am not expecting you to sweep anything under the rug I am just pointing out that

95. As far as I know no one has suggested that.

30. Too late. It has already happened.

34. It has

6. Do you often visit Ed Morrissey's website for news on Democrats?

15. The More You Ignore Him, The Closer He Gets

7. The best analysis of the exit poll discrepancies I've seen...

19. I said this would happen before primary voting began.

58. And you are not the only one.

73. Enough of us are mobilized with Bernie to make this an issue at the Convention.

84. We can't expect Bernie to lead this.

86. I agree we can't expect Bernie to lead us.

20. Did This Crap Happen In The Primaries?

21. A Nice Even Number

32. Actually it was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy to engage in election fraud.

46. Yep. That too. nt

23. Yallow, for a paper record

62. The Chicago election board audit is particularly frustrating because even audit of paper records...

101. Paper ballots have always been easy to screw with.

118. Paper ballots are re-countable, but there's no paper trail on voting machines.

127. paper ballots counted openly,live streamed on the net, with multiple observers would be difficult to

129. It used to be that people made out their paper ballot and stuffed them into the ballot box at the

130. hand counted paper ballots at the precinct is the answer

132. It would take a while since the county clerk has watch the counting so that the county

139. no the county clerk does not have to watch the counting

26. HotAir is a right wing nut website.

35. It Was Just The First Google Search Result

119. It's still a right wing website

27. Welcome to the digital age

28. It's the inevitability

33. When peaceful revolution becomes impossible violent revolution becomes inevitable.

43. And those were JFK's words for anyone who is interested.