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Wed May 18, 2016, 11:33 AM

Barbara Boxer is not a bitch or the "C" word.

She is part of the establishment, for sure.

She may or may not have been someone we could count on in the future to support stuff like single payer or massive increases in taxes on the wealthy and wall street as is called for, but as politicians go, she was one of the liberal ones and did NOT deserve that treatment.

But, consider the source, most who treated her that way dont have the first fucking clue who she is, what she has done, and most important of all, they dont care.

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Reply Barbara Boxer is not a bitch or the "C" word. (Original post)
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 OP
dogman May 2016 #1
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #4
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #5
dogman May 2016 #13
liberal N proud May 2016 #2
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #3
scscholar May 2016 #6
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #8
leftofcool May 2016 #9
Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #19
whathehell May 2016 #42
Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #45
whathehell May 2016 #28
RufusTFirefly May 2016 #7
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #11
DemonGoddess May 2016 #10
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #12
DemonGoddess May 2016 #15
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #23
DemonGoddess May 2016 #52
Kelvin Mace May 2016 #53
Hortensis May 2016 #16
zalinda May 2016 #24
Hortensis May 2016 #27
frylock May 2016 #33
Hortensis May 2016 #36
frylock May 2016 #38
Hortensis May 2016 #43
frylock May 2016 #44
zalinda May 2016 #50
whathehell May 2016 #30
Hortensis May 2016 #14
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #18
Hortensis May 2016 #25
immoderate May 2016 #37
Hortensis May 2016 #46
zalinda May 2016 #48
Downwinder May 2016 #17
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #20
Downwinder May 2016 #21
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #22
Hortensis May 2016 #26
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #41
Hortensis May 2016 #47
whathehell May 2016 #32
Hoppy May 2016 #29
Nitram May 2016 #35
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #40
Nitram May 2016 #31
whathehell May 2016 #39
frylock May 2016 #34
zalinda May 2016 #49
notadmblnd May 2016 #51
Snood May 2016 #54
notadmblnd May 2016 #55
jzodda May 2016 #56
Snood May 2016 #57
jzodda May 2016 #58

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Response to dogman (Reply #1)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:45 AM

4. Doesn't matter,

 

once a person resorts to vile sexist slurs, they have lost any moral high ground they may have had. Such a person needs to be a pariah.

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Response to dogman (Reply #1)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:46 AM

5. Not innocent, so she deserved it I guess?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #5)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:02 PM

13. No, I understand this is not the proper reply to your post.

Since the OP is about language not process, I am deleting my post.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:41 AM

2. No one deserves to be called either of those derogatory terms

Nothing is deserving of that kind of slur.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

3. Amen! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE

 

who calls any woman, establishment, liberal, Communist, Republican, Libertarian, Randian, Trekkie, Furrie, Seventh Day Adventist Desoto owners, et al, "bitch" or "cunt". that person should be banned, PERIOD.

If you say such things, you are a vile person and we don't need your kind here. Go post to a MRA, Gamergate, Trump forum, or Stormfront site where they welcome that.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:46 AM

6. So you want to ban a bunch of Bernie...

 

supporters. That's not very inclusive of you.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:50 AM

8. Sorry, inclusiveness doesn't extend to such behaviour.

 

I also favor banning people who use ageist or anti-Semitic slurs against Sanders.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:50 AM

9. Yes. Their behavior was unacceptable.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:16 PM

19. Do Bernie supporters have to use sexist language against women?

 

That's not a movement I'd want to be a part of.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #19)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:30 PM

42. As a female Bernie supporter, I heartily agree..

Misogyny is deeply ingrained in the culture and language, unfortunately -- As Nation writer Katha Poliitt put it

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left" That being said, it has NO place in a progressive movement.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #42)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:54 PM

45. Agreed. nt

 

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Response to scscholar (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:01 PM

28. Those Bernie supporters are bigots who deny women equal respect..

They have no place in a progressive movement.

Women should no more be demeaned for being born female than
than minorities should be for being born black or brown.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:47 AM

7. And Francisco Franco is still dead

Nobody worth worrying about has made either allegation.

Many dedicated California Democrats are understandably disappointed and disillusioned by her position in the Nevada debacle. Most of us have been grateful for her service as Senator, although we reluctantly concede, just as you suggest, that she is part of the Establishment. Ironically, I think serving alongside Dianne DINO Feinstein has made Boxer seem like more of an anti-establishment progressive than she actually is.

But no self-respecting Democrat (or decent human being for that matter), as disappointed as she or he may be, would brand Boxer with such hateful epithets. It would be a big mistake to paint those who respectfully but strenuously disagree with her on this matter with such a broad brush.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #7)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:55 AM

11. There are claims about phone messages

 

but I await the police investigation that verify these came from anyone supporting Sanders. I have served on a few juries that used sexist language against HRC, and voted to hide. These tended to come from new accounts with low post counts, but occasionally an old timer allowed their temper to get the better of them.

Of course I am also still waiting for video of the "near-riot" (as it was called by John Ralston" that I am told occurred in Nevada.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:53 AM

10. Barbara Boxer was

my Senator for many years while I lived in California. She in no way, shape, or form, deserved the nasty treatment she got from the BERNIE DELEGATES at the NV state convention.

That's something that seems to be overlooked you know. These aren't just supporters, these are DELEGATES.

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #10)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:57 AM

12. I have heard that these things were said in phone messages, left by people

 

that are said to be Sander's supporters. Is there any video of Boxer being called any of these words in person?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #12)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:05 PM

15. On CNN today

she stated quite clearly she feared for her safety. The state chair is the one getting the terrible phone messages, death threats against her and her family. Yes, those are published on the Ralston Reports. As to what was screamed at Sen. Boxer, there's plenty of video available of that as well.

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #15)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:30 PM

23. Again, where is the video?

 

Thousand plus people present, and the media, and the event occurred at a casino hotel in Vegas that has video cameras about every ten feet, and no one has any video?

Ralston walked back his claim yesterday saying that he didn't personally see any chairs thrown, but he heard about them.

If it happened there is video of it. Where is the video?

Also, if there are death threats where is the police report? Boxer is a high-ranking senator and any detah threats would certainly be looked into by the FBI and/or local/state police. Also, what evidence is there that these people who made the death threats are Sander's supporters? I am not talking about calls from people who call Boxer a name, I am talking about genuine death threats.

I have seen a police report about the arrest of an actor who attacked a Sander's supporter, but nothing about the "near-riot" Ralston claimed happened.

And spare me the claim about eye-witness accounts. The police always claim they have eye-witness accounts that the black man they shot 42 times pulled a gun on them, until the video appears that shows no such thing.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #23)

Wed May 18, 2016, 09:46 PM

52. As the videos are all over the damn place

you can just as easily look them up yourself. They're certainly not HIDING anywhere. Sheesh.

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #52)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:03 PM

53. Sure, and when I track down video

 

I see no "near-riots", no fistfights, no chairs being thrown, no "death threats" or anything other than people shouting and name calling. I saw nothing to justify Barbara Boxer "fearing for her life".

So, please show me a link that supports these claims. Your side is making the claim, therefore your side has the obligation to provide the evidence. So far, the only violence documented was by an actor. who supported HRC, on a Sanders' supporter.

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #10)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:07 PM

16. Reportedly only about half the Bernie delegates showed up

and got seated. Just imagine twice that many. 98% of Clinton delegates were there, but none of the film shows their side of the room.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:31 PM

24. That's not quite true.

You should look at video and/or read about what really happened. It was supposed to start at 10, but started at 9:30. People who voted and were verified as Democrats were no longer Democrats, or so the NV dem party said, and a few of them were also Hillary supporters. Rules were changed in a secret meeting.

This crap has cost Hillary more votes, and more people leaving the party. If you can't play fair, you shouldn't be playing at all.

Z

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Response to zalinda (Reply #24)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:59 PM

27. This has been investigated, and the rules were followed

by both candidates and the party. The big exception, of course, was the Sanders campaign's incitement of the delegates to anger by lying to them that they were being cheated.

Propaganda is disinformation by its very nature. You need to broaden your information sources.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:11 PM

33. Investigated by who?

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Response to frylock (Reply #33)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:15 PM

36. WHO? Go look! All the nation's political media

are talking about this.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #36)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:19 PM

38. So it wasn't investigated then.

A very one-sided account is being pushed by the nation's political media all based upon a second-hand account.

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Response to frylock (Reply #38)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:43 PM

43. Gee, I think you win. Here's your prize:

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #43)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:51 PM

44. I'm just happy to call out your bullshit for all to see.

But thanks, nonetheless.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:10 PM

50. How about this investigation

which you conveniently ignored.



They took video at the convention and watched all the video. They also interviewed people.

After all the lies that Hillary and her supporters have spread, don't be surprised if your girl loses.

Z

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #10)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:09 PM

30. Actually, no woman deserves to be attacked with gender slurs. Her character may deserve

criticism, but slurring a woman on the basis of her condition of birth is about as "progressive"

as casting racial slurs at Black republicanss.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:04 PM

14. Yup - a key characteristic of left-wing extremist behavior.

If you are not with them in their great endeavor, you are against them. Of course they don't need to have the first fucking clue about anything else.

They also are sadly lacking in empathy and given to villification so that they really do not consider, much less care, that those who disagree with them are people with opinions, rights, and needs, and especially a need to be protected from them.

My guess is Senator Boxer has collided with them a bunch of times over the decades. So peculiarly, they seem to feel the most enmity toward liberals and the Democratic Party, who would seem closer to them ideologically than toward those on the right.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:16 PM

18. I dont like calling them left wing, though. I think they simply want certain economic things

and that is that.

My idea of left wing is people who would put their financial needs at the bottom of any list.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #18)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:52 PM

25. Well, there is something to that, but I think it is

that there is a good mix of others who have been drawn into mostly left-wing extremist behavior on DU, though some right-wingers are no doubt here also (after all, the Democratic Party includes groups like Kentucky's conservative Democrats).

Whether referring to far left and right, radicals, or extremists, extremism is real, of course, and a great of deal of research has been done on it, with more needed. I'm not talking about looking for solutions outside the box, but of extreme behaviors.

One of the more alarming things I've read recently is that people can seduce themselves "down the rabbit hole" of extremism, as it was described, by hanging and agreeing with groups that not only engage in extreme attitudes and behaviors but that also themselves may become more and more extreme over time.

That psychologist's description was not in discussion of politics, but what flashed into my mind was our two-year-long election seasons, during which many people become more and more emotionally invested in their causes and/or candidates. And, of course, forums like DU immediately also flashed to mind. This has been going on for some time now, and it may just have something to do with the fact that our electorate has been moving farther and farther right and left and our politics have been getting more and more batshit crazy.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #25)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 PM

37. I don't think that decent wages and free college and universal health care are examples of extremism

 

You are fond of that word though.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #37)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:59 PM

46. They are not. They are very well established, old

respectable liberal and progressive government concepts and realities depending on where one is.

But that is not what I'm talking about. Which, btw, is also is well established, at least as well as anything in this world of exploding knowledge can be expected to be.

Introduction to Political Psychology: 3rd Edition
Political Psychology: Neuroscience, Genetics, and Politics
Extremism and the Psychology of Uncertainty
The Oxford Handbook of Political Psychology: Second Edition
The Rationalizing Voter (Cambridge Studies in Public Opinion and Political Psychology)
Affective Intelligence and Political Judgment
The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation

I quickly grabbed this little list off the web, deleting Jihad, Islam, and terrorism/terrorist to keep it closer to DU home, but of course there is incredibly more published in these disciplines. In the interest of disclosure, I have not read these particular books, although I have one very well regarded interdisciplinary book, and some are pretty expensive, but fwiw I did have a unit on political psychology 40 years ago.

Extremism is very real, if amorphous and sometimes hard to define. And we pretend it is not literally at our peril, for some I am coming to suspect literally at the peril of their ability to think rationally on political topics.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #46)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:01 PM

48. What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Unless you are talking about Hillary supporters being duped.

Z

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:08 PM

17. She was an intruder, neither a candidate nor a delegate.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #17)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:17 PM

20. Wow. So everybody there who was not either was an intruder?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #20)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:19 PM

21. Read the Rules.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #21)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:22 PM

22. So everybody, right?

Everybody who was neither a candidate or a delegate was an intruder, right?



YEAH, that is what I THOUGHT

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #21)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:55 PM

26. Strange position for sure. Senator Boxer was invited, and she

specifically was there to deliver a message of unity to the convention from both Sanders and Clinton.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #26)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:28 PM

41. Nina Turner was invited also, by Bernie Sanders campaign, and she was also neither

a delegate or a candidate as far as i can tell

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #41)

Wed May 18, 2016, 02:04 PM

47. Riiight, and of course she was there for Bernie and

is a special prize. A two-fer. She's safe.

Speaking of, I just heard her trying to excuse away what happened at the convention, and she did okay. The interviewer asked her a question or two about evidence that directly contradicted her version but didn't push it.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #17)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:11 PM

32. So call her that...Her gender is not fair game. n/t

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:05 PM

29. Alls I recall is the video of St. Barbara the Exhaulted telling Berniestas, "Go ahead and boo all

 

You want."

I interpret that as a "fuck us" to the Bernie supporters whose vote she expects for Hillary in November. Add to that, the Nevada Dem. party chairwoman running roughshod over the meeting..

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #29)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:12 PM

35. Hoppy, if you can't tell the diffference in tone between "boo all you want" and "fuck you"

you have a lot to learn. Sound like pure projection on your part.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #29)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:27 PM

40. "Vote she expects" ahh, another BoB

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:11 PM

31. Good luck reasoning with Bernie supporters.

Many come across as nice and polite, but they'll still support Bernie no matter what. Even Bernie blew this one, refusing to condemn the nastiness that his supporters inflicted on fellow Democrats.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #31)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:19 PM

39. I'm a Bernie supporter who despises the ugly misogyny

shown by some in Nevada and other places. If these haters can't handle women, including women in power respectfully,

they belong on the other side -- They are NOT progressives, they're bigots.

P. S. Bernie HAS condemned the nastiness, and especially the sexism of the so called "Bernie bros".

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:12 PM

34. I prefer the gender-neutral term 'asshole'

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Response to frylock (Reply #34)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:03 PM

49. True, and we should stop calling men

dicks or dickhead because that is sexist too.

Z

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 03:15 PM

51. You are exactly right. Consider the source.

Clinton supporters impersonating Sander's supporters don't have the first fucking clue.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #51)

Fri May 20, 2016, 08:48 AM

54. Clueless is as clueless does

Hmmm... From where I sit, Bernie Supporters have shown themselves to be far more suitable for the "clueless" appellation than have Clinton supporters.

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Response to Snood (Reply #54)

Fri May 20, 2016, 09:17 AM

55. And Clinton supporters have shown themselves to be at the head of the pack

in the low info voter range. Just my observation though.

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Response to Snood (Reply #54)

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:34 AM

56. Welcome!

Enjoy your time here!

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Response to jzodda (Reply #56)

Fri May 20, 2016, 11:00 AM

57. Thanks and an inquiry

Thank you. How do I find a person posting under a particular username?

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Response to Snood (Reply #57)

Fri May 20, 2016, 11:02 AM

58. Good question but I think....

I think the advanced search bar (upper right) works to search for users only after they have a star? Which means a donation to the site.

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