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sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:00 AM May 2013

Ending the war: a refutation of fear

There is not doubt. For me, today is one of the most important days of Barack Obama's presidency.

As regular readers here know, for quite a while now I've been writing about the need to end the indefinite war. I must admit that over the last couple of years, I've felt a bit lonely in championing that cause. But I've always had a feeling that this is where the President was going - even as all the talk on the left ignored the fact that we were at war and focused instead on civil liberties as a concern.


Today...headlines like these tell the story:

The End of the Perpetual War

Obama Lays Out Plan To End The War Against Al Qaeda

'This war, like all wars, must end'


OMG - all of the sudden I don't feel so alone anymore. And if those titles don't represent a summary of your take-away from President Obama's speech today, you are clearly missing the forest for the trees.

MORE:
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/05/ending-war-refutation-of-fear.html
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Ending the war: a refutation of fear (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2013 OP
Beautiful vision, she.. thank you.. and thanks to smartypant. Cha May 2013 #1
Yes! Kath1 May 2013 #2
Yes, it all goes back to his speech on Cha May 2013 #3
Yes! Kath1 May 2013 #4
My first exposure to Obama was in 2007: freshwest May 2013 #5
And then again during the 2008 primary: freshwest May 2013 #6
Thank you, freshwest sheshe2 May 2013 #7
And for you, sheshe: freshwest May 2013 #8
That's simply beautiful~ sheshe2 May 2013 #9
The right to be secure in our persons is one of the biggest. IrishAyes May 2013 #10

Cha

(297,196 posts)
1. Beautiful vision, she.. thank you.. and thanks to smartypant.
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:33 AM
May 2013
"Here's what the President said about that:"

So America is at a crossroads. We must define the nature and scope of this struggle, or else it will define us. We have to be mindful of James Madison’s warning that “No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” Neither I, nor any President, can promise the total defeat of terror. We will never erase the evil that lies in the hearts of some human beings, nor stamp out every danger to our open society. But what we can do -- what we must do -- is dismantle networks that pose a direct danger to us, and make it less likely for new groups to gain a foothold, all the while maintaining the freedoms and ideals that we defend. And to define that strategy, we have to make decisions based not on fear, but on hard-earned wisdom..

BOG

Here's the Vid of the President's Vision in case anyone wants to view it.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
2. Yes!
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:38 AM
May 2013

It is long overdue for this country to get out of this mindless war mentality. I am so glad PBO came out and said it. This is the reason I first supported/voted for him in 2008!

Cha

(297,196 posts)
3. Yes, it all goes back to his speech on
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:46 AM
May 2013

the "dumb war" in Iraq, Kath. That speech he gave Oct 2, 2002 in Illinois. I didn't know much about him at all but the more I knew the more I liked..and, then I read that speech and I knew.

PBO's not a pacifist but he doesn't believe in starting wars based on lies.. but, he finished that war on Iraq. And, now he's winding down Afghanistan. Which is complicated because of real enemies.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
4. Yes!
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:07 AM
May 2013

My daughter turned me on to that same speech (Oct 2, 2002) and I was behind him 100% after that. Then I saw his record on women's rights. Wow! It was obviously a war based on the lies of Bush, Cheney, etc. He ended it and I give him all the credit in the world for doing so. I am so glad he is winding down the Afghanistan war. I agree that it is much more complicated. I actually had a relative who was deployed there. His wife is a major Obama supporter and is so glad he is back!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. My first exposure to Obama was in 2007:
Fri May 24, 2013, 03:35 PM
May 2013
Barack Obama: What we gain by stopping the war



Uploaded on Jul 15, 2007

Barack Obama talks to the crowd in Manchester, Iowa about exactly what the war in Iraq is costing the American people.

We were having town hall meetings in my state going over the cost by district. The amount of taxes paid per capita going to D.C. and how it was ruining our quality of life. The details just made us angrier. We knew:



'This is why we can't have nice things.'


Our represetatives got an angry earful and we kept on learning. That things are complicated beyond anything we've been taught, but Obama knows that. It's time for mankind to move foreward and not back again.

We are the change, no one else.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. And then again during the 2008 primary:
Fri May 24, 2013, 03:48 PM
May 2013
Barack Obama: The Cost of War



Uploaded on Mar 20, 2008


Full remarks given in Charleston, WV on March 20, 2008.


His responses in the debates showed me what kind of man he was, and is. I didn't need media, regular or alternative, to make up my mind. I listened to him directly with an open mind. He was not my first choice but I gave him my vote with optimism in 2008.

Seeing him keeping true to his principles and working on issues dear to my heart, civil rights and environmentalism through alternative energy, despite the obstructionism and catcalling, made him the only logical choice in 2012.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
7. Thank you, freshwest
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013

For the videos and pictures. The taxes that were paid per capita, were staggering! As Obama points out, what those taxes could have done for the American people, is overwhelming.

Instead we were forced to war on malicious lies, avaricious and the Bushcos arrogant feelings of superiority. They wanted to show the world that USA is number one in their might.We can crush you all.

The damage that they have done to this country, and our standing in the world nearly broke us.

It took our President years to change that image of America. He is making great progress, yet still has a hard job to change what the Bushies have brought down on our Nation and the World.

I am grateful to have President Barack Obama as our leader.

Oh and freshwest, congratulations!

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
10. The right to be secure in our persons is one of the biggest.
Sat May 25, 2013, 08:34 PM
May 2013

That doesn't mean throwing our armed services personnel under the train so R's can strut and the military-industrial complex can prosper.

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