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Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:03 PM

President Obama's Labor Day Message: "Raise the Minimum Wage"



Randall Reynolds @randallr01

Happy Labor Day! Honor the Labor Movement for giving us safer, more livable working conditions. #p2 #LivingWage #jobs pic.twitter.com/lrHFIBoPNn9:31 AM - 2 Sep 2013




Mahalo to TOD http://theobamadiary.com/2013/09/02/president-obamas-labor-day-message/

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Reply President Obama's Labor Day Message: "Raise the Minimum Wage" (Original post)
Cha Sep 2013 OP
iandhr Sep 2013 #1
jaysunb Sep 2013 #2
iandhr Sep 2013 #4
Cha Sep 2013 #8
iandhr Sep 2013 #11
Cha Sep 2013 #13
freshwest Sep 2013 #16
Cha Sep 2013 #17
Cha Sep 2013 #6
Cha Sep 2013 #5
iandhr Sep 2013 #7
ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #3
Cha Sep 2013 #9
ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #12
sheshe2 Sep 2013 #10
Cha Sep 2013 #14
sheshe2 Sep 2013 #15
freshwest Sep 2013 #21
Cha Sep 2013 #22
freshwest Sep 2013 #23
Cha Sep 2013 #31
freshwest Sep 2013 #33
Cha Sep 2013 #34
freshwest Sep 2013 #35
Cha Sep 2013 #36
freshwest Sep 2013 #37
SunSeeker Sep 2013 #27
freshwest Sep 2013 #28
freshwest Sep 2013 #18
doc03 Sep 2013 #19
Cha Sep 2013 #20
mountain grammy Sep 2013 #24
freshwest Sep 2013 #26
Cha Sep 2013 #29
mountain grammy Sep 2013 #32
freshwest Sep 2013 #25
Cha Sep 2013 #30
DevonRex Sep 2013 #38
hopemountain Sep 2013 #39
Cha Sep 2013 #40
hopemountain Sep 2013 #41

Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:06 PM

1. Pretty soon there will be an Obama basher on this thread....

lets see how long it takes.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:08 PM

2. You beat me to it ! LOL

It was my first thought.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:15 PM

4. Its been 10 minutes

I thought it would happen by now

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Response to iandhr (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:19 PM

8. And, Happy Labor Day to you, landhr!

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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:23 PM

11. Thank you

you too

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Response to iandhr (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:32 PM

13. Yep, worked all my life in Labor and now I'm

retired. Still excited about Labor Day.. Bless those who came before us to make Workers' lives better. And, thankful to those who are still in there fighting everyday to not let the Koch types take over the Country and dissolve Workers' Rights.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:02 PM

16. Without the Labor Movement, my union and the New Deal, I'd be dead now,. Just sayin'

So yes, I too, will always celebrate Labor Day as long as I live. I'll post some more on Labor later.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:07 PM

17. Happy Labor Day, freshwest!

Yeah, we don't forget Labor Day just because we're retired.



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Response to jaysunb (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:18 PM

6. Happy Labor Day, Jay!

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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:17 PM

5. Oh, because..

they can't stand any Good important messages from PBO to get through?

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:19 PM

7. Yup

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:13 PM

3. Nice to have good news about President Obama this week. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:21 PM

9. Happy Labor Day, ZombieHorde

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:27 PM

12. Thanks!

I am about to watch Breaking Bad and Dexter with my wife, so that should be awesome!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:22 PM

10. Raising the Minimum Wage!

Yes we can! Great Labor Day message.

For the Workers!

Cha

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:44 PM

14. Happy Labor Day, she! A Teddy Kennedy Message from our past..



[font color=blue] BOG[/font] she

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Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:48 PM

15. He was a great man.

A wonderful quote~
I miss him.


Bog Cha.

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Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:51 PM

21. They hate it because they believe many of us were born to be slaves and work for nothing for them.

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Someone was quoting the freedom and tyranny stuff from Plato and Aristotle here at DU the other day. I started to reply and then thought better of it, as both men lived at the top of a society built on the backs of slaves. They were in the leisure class who had time to talk.

Going further, I found the two philosophers' views on slavery, and why they considered it a natural state for some people. Not them, or course. Also they lumped in all those conquered by war and all women as having been born to be slaves.

And in their writings, they said should have no voice in their society, nor any right to decent treatment. It was detailed offensive stuff. I was too angry to post my rebuttal.

This was the basis of the Confederacy that blacks and other groups were born to be slaves. It the reason the hate unions, no inconsistency there.

It's the libertarian version of freedom, as described Lincoln, that they want the liberty to own other people as slaves to serve their own interests and make them rich.

This is view of the GOP and their darling Rand who is against all help for poor and working people, women and immigrants. I'm not ready to go and live on the plantation.

Union till the day I die.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:59 PM

22. Mahalo for that, freshwest! Interesting

history of which I knew nothing. About Plato and Aristocles, anyway.

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:46 PM

23. Sorry, I didn't spell that right. Plato and Aristotle. Here it is the defense of inequality:

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Plato excused / justified slavery:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2180538?uid=3739960&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102597678397

You know how the RW insists the USA is a 'republic' and not a 'democracy'? Limited government is all they are selling, not the Constitution, which says to look out for the general welfare.

Libertarians say 'democracy'is 'mob rule' as it increases the power of the inferior. Romans used the term 'democrats' as a perjorative since they tried to lift up the working class of the day.

Sound familiar?

More Plato here:

http://www.friesian.com/plato.htm

Now to Aristotle:

Some aspects of Aristotle's theory of slavery

Slavery -- natural or conventional?


Aristole's theory of slavery is found in Book I, Chapters iii through vii of the Politics. and in Book VII of the Nicomachean Ethics.

Aristotle raises the question of whether slavery is natural or conventional. He asserts that the former is the case. So, Aristotle's theory of slavery holds that some people are naturally slaves and others are naturally masters. Thus he says:

"But is there any one thus intended by nature to be a slave, and for whom such a condition is expedient and right, or rather is not all slavery a violation of nature?

There is no difficulty in answering this question, on grounds both of reason and of fact. For that some should rule and others be ruled is a thing not only necessary, but expedient; from the hour of their birth, some are marked out for subjection, others for rule."

This suggests that anyone who is ruled must be a slave, which does not seem at all right. Still, given that this is so he must state what characteristics a natural slave must have -- so that he or she can be recognized as such a being. Who is marked out for subjugation, and who for rule? This is where the concept of "barbarian" shows up in Aristotle's account. Aristotle says:

"But among barbarians no distinction is made between women and slaves, because there is no natural ruler among them: they are a community of slaves, male and female. Wherefore the poets say,

'It is meet that Hellenes should rule over barbarians';

as if they thought that the barbarian and the slave were by nature one."

So men rule naturally over women, and Greeks over barbarians! But what is it which makes a barbarian a slave? Here is what Aristotle says:

"Where then there is such a difference as that between soul and body, or between men and animals (as in the case of those whose business is to use their body, and who can do nothing better), the lower sort are by nature slaves, and it is better for them as for all inferiors that they should be under the rule of a master. For he who can be, and therefore is, another's and he who participates in rational principle enough to apprehend, but not to have, such a principle, is a slave by nature. Whereas the lower animals cannot even apprehend a principle; they obey their instincts. And indeed the use made of slaves and of tame animals is not very different; for both with their bodies minister to the needs of life. Nature would like to distinguish between the bodies of freemen and slaves, making the one strong for servile labor, the other upright, and although useless for such services, useful for political life in the arts both of war and peace. But the opposite often happens--that some have the souls and others have the bodies of freemen. And doubtless if men differed from one another in the mere forms of their bodies as much as the statues of the Gods do from men, all would acknowledge that the inferior class should be slaves of the superior. And if this is true of the body, how much more just that a similar distinction should exist in the soul? but the beauty of the body is seen, whereas the beauty of the soul is not seen. It is clear, then, that some men are by nature free, and others slaves, and that for these latter slavery is both expedient and right."

So the theory is that natural slaves should have powerful bodies but be unable to rule themselves. Thus, they become very much like beasts of burden, except that unlike these beasts human slaves recognize that they need to be ruled. The trouble with this theory, as Aristotle quite explicitly states, is that the right kind of souls and bodies do not always go together!

So, one could have the soul of a slave and the body of a freeman, and vice versa! Nonetheless, apparently because there are some in whom the body and soul are appropriate to natural slavery, that is a strong body and a weak soul, Aristotle holds that there are people who should naturally be slaves. It also seems that men naturally rule women and that bararians are naturally more servile than Greeks! This seems like an odd, indeed arbitrary, way for the virtues of the soul to be distributed!

Las Casas deals with a similar problem in regard to the native peoples of the Americas...


Contrast the ancient 1% with:

...John Locke's theory of slavery in The Second Treatise of Civil Government Locke does not believe in natural slaves or in the conventional view that all prisoners of war can be legitimately enslaved. He is a just war theorist who explicitly rejects the doctrine that might makes right.

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/distance_arc/las_casas/Aristotle-slavery.html

I don't idolize people who defended slavery in the exact same terms as the Confederacy, in their claims of others' innate inferiority. The Founders owned slaves but realized if equality was going to mean anything it would have to be eliminated eventually.

The South rejected the idea of human equality by the same rationale as Plato and Aristotle. Th Libertarian party's ideas of governance ignore the rights of those whom the powerful regard as innately inferior and put on Earth for their use.

Enough!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:29 PM

31. Right! And, if I hadn't been in such

a hurry, I might have noticed. that and my ADD has been in full blown rage!


Mahalo for the additional information on Plato and Aristotle, freshwest.

Not down with "better than thou" people. I had lots of life lessons early and later in life to cure me of any of that shite.

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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:10 AM

33. Not only that, inequality is not an American virtue. Economic justice, full speed ahead.

This is just the beginning! So much more to be done in this field. Oh, ADD too. Here's our picture!



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Response to freshwest (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:15 AM

34. LOLZ, at the ADD Cats!

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Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:34 AM

35. Thom Hartmann's view on ADD:

Hartmann has authored in the area of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and adult attention-deficit disorder (AADD) and is the creator (first proposed by him in 1978, first published nationally in 1992) of the now well-known hunter vs. farmer theory that ADD is an expected evolutionary adaptation to hunting lifestyles.

These individuals have the ability of rapidly shifting their focus and external attention and of holding multiple trains of thought.

This ability causes difficulties when they must live and work in cultures in which "farming" well-planned, predictable, organized and repetitive behaviors is typical.


His first book on the disorder, Attention Deficit Disorder: a Different Perception was described by Scientific American as "innovative and fresh".[28]

Hartmann has established specialized schools[quantify] for children with ADHD, such as The Hunter School in Rumney, New Hampshire,[29] which he co-founded with his wife Louise.

He also operated the "ADD Forum" and "DeskTop Publishing Forum", along with several others, on CompuServe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann#Attention-deficit_hyperactivity_disorder

* Will PM.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:46 AM

36. Ain't this the truth..

"This ability causes difficulties when they must live and work in cultures in which "farming" well-planned, predictable, organized and repetitive behaviors is typical."

I saw this in ATA the other day..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12593160

Which led me to this right now.. I'll have to check it out..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018468103

Mahalo for the information from Thom Hartman and ADHD and ADD, fresh. I use to have the hyperactivity. but, now it's slow ADD.

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Response to Cha (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:53 AM

37. Thanks, I went to the Lounge.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:09 PM

27. "...they want the liberty to own other people as slaves to serve their own interests...

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and make them rich."

You nailed it freshwest. That is exactly what the Randians in the GOP want. Over my dead body!

Happy Labor Day!

Fellow proud union member,
SunSeeker.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:39 PM

28. Thanks, SunSeeker! Nice to know who will stand with us instead of RTW Rand, et al.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:17 PM

18. Blood, Sweat, Tears and LOVE:

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This Is Why We Fight...

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:18 PM

19. Don't expect the government or Obama to hand out

a raise, organize and fight like our grandfathers did. The problem is when the unions gained power the members became fat and lazy and forgot history. The members didn't take an interest or even attend meetings and the leadership was corrupted by golf outings and NFL tickets from management.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:32 PM

20. Nevertheless, the Obama Admin and Dems are fighting for

Raising Minimum Wage.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/democrats_look_for_momentum_on_minimum_wage-225770-1.html

We're not giving up.. nor will we ever.

Happy Labor Day, doc

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:59 PM

24. HAPPY LABOR DAY EVERYONE! Raise the minimum wage and TAX THE RICH!!!

This message brought to you by a 100% true blue, country serving, union family!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:05 PM

26. Happy Labor Day to you, too!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:44 PM

29. HAPPY LABOR DAY TO YOU, MOUNTAIN GRAMMY! I like

the way you put that.. [font color=blue] "This message brought to you by a 100% true blue, country serving, union family!"[/font]

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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:33 PM

32. thanks, Cha!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 07:05 PM

25. Jesse Jackson on Labor:



Jesse Jackson addresses huge rally at WI State Capitol

Uploaded on Feb 18, 2011


Jesse Jackson speaks to protestors gathered on the Wisconsin Capitol Square in Madison, Wis. on Feb. 18, 2011. Protests and demonstrations are ongoing in response to provisions in Gov. Walker's budget repair bill that would strip public employees of their collective bargaining rights.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:46 PM

30. Thank you for the vid on Jesse Jackson on

Labor, from Wisconsin, freshwest!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:51 PM

38. American Labor Day!!!!!!!

See, we've been telling people it exists!!!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:32 PM

39. labor day was always special in my family

because we are a longtime union working family descended from laborers and farmworkers. i am grateful for my many early union jobs because as a single parent, i earned a bit more than most folks in my neighborhood and was able to provide a good little home for my daughter and i. we had health care, too. it was a fucked up job, but i was willing to be a cog in the wheel to keep a decent roof over our heads, drive a 2nd hand used, but safe vehicle, pay for day care, preschool, tutoring, etc. it's when i left the unions and took a non profit job that our lives became more of a day to day, paycheck to paycheck struggle. but, somehow, despite it all, we made it.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

40. Wonderful story of your experience, hopemountain!

Glad you were able to get your Union job and provide so well for your family.

My work was for a non profit Co-op but I loved my job and my kids were grown and on their own.

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:36 PM

41. i raise a cup of tea to you, cha.

back at you.

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