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sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:15 PM May 2013

Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President?

Forbes: With the stock market hitting new highs, some people have already forgotten about the Great Recession. Recall 2009. Things looked pretty bleak economically. But the outlook has changed dramatically in just 4 years…. the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.

The auto rescue plan has worked. American car manufacturers are still dominant and employing millions directly and in supplier companies. Wall Street reform has been painful but it has re-instated faith amongst investors….

…. The deficit is now only 4% of the GDP, down from over 10% at the end of Bush’s administration …. major strides in health care reform – something no other President has accomplished – has given American’s more faith in their future, and an increased willingness to invest.

… By all measures, President Obama has outperformed every modern President.


Follow the link to Forbes here.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/20/profiles-of-the-team-part-4/

Q- Bob, what policies do you think were most important toward achieving today’s new highs?

BBBB – Firstly, let’s review just how bad things were in 2009. In 2000 America was completing the longest bull market in history. But by the end of President Bush’s tenure the country had witnessed 2 stock market crashes, and the DJIA had fallen 58%. This was the second worst market decline in history (exceeded only by the Great Depression,) and hence the term “Great Recession” was born.

In 2000, at the end of Clinton’s administration, the Consumer Confidence Index was at a record high 140. By January, 2009 this index had fallen to an historic low of 25.3. Comparatively, when Reagan took office at the end of the economically weak Carter years the Confidence Index was still at 74.4! Today this measure of how people feel about the country is still nowhere near 2000 levels, but it is almost 3 times better than 4 years ago.

Significantly, in 2000 America had a budget surplus. By 2009 surpluses were long gone and the country was racking up historic deficits as taxes were cut while simultaneously outlays for defense skyrocketed to cover costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Additionally, banks were on the edge of failing due to unregulated real estate speculation and massive derivative losses.

Q- Bob, what policies do you think were most important toward achieving today’s new highs?

BBBB – Firstly, let’s review just how bad things were in 2009. In 2000 America was completing the longest bull market in history. But by the end of President Bush’s tenure the country had witnessed 2 stock market crashes, and the DJIA had fallen 58%. This was the second worst market decline in history (exceeded only by the Great Depression,) and hence the term “Great Recession” was born.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/05/16/economically-could-obama-be-americas-best-president/


FYI: This is Posted on the Barack Obama Group!
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Economically, Could Obama Be America's Best President? (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2013 OP
Depends on whose economy you're talking about. PDJane May 2013 #1
Indeed, take a look at the unemployment rates...they still suck aristocles May 2013 #2
This is the Barack Obama Group. sheshe2 May 2013 #4
It's better than when I graduated from high school and college...eom Kolesar May 2013 #5
Given how badly LostOne4Ever May 2013 #9
I am. IrishAyes May 2013 #10
If you measure the economy by the wealth of wall street investors, and corporate exectuives... Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #3
Have you no respect for a group's standards? IrishAyes May 2013 #11
Actually that group could use a little banging, however I appologize... Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #13
"By all measures, President Obama has outperformed every modern President." Cha May 2013 #6
TOD and Forbes have it right, Cha. sheshe2 May 2013 #7
I doubt some would stop at metaphors, given half a chance. No honor among them. None. IrishAyes May 2013 #12
clinton=great stock market; shrub=terrible stock market; obama=great stock market unblock May 2013 #8
Not just the stock market. ucrdem May 2013 #15
Also: unemployment DOWN, housing starts UP, consumer confidence UP, approval ratings UP ucrdem May 2013 #14
For the life of me, sheshe2 May 2013 #16
Thanks sheshe! ucrdem May 2013 #17
isn't "thanks sheshe" redundant? unblock May 2013 #18
This post would not be met well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #20
Exactamundo. ucrdem May 2013 #21
I no longer can tell ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #22
One of the best of all time. May his agenda continue forever. graham4anything May 2013 #19
 

aristocles

(594 posts)
2. Indeed, take a look at the unemployment rates...they still suck
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:27 PM
May 2013
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

The stock market is being held up by fiat dollars printed by the U.S. Treasury. A bubble about to burst.

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
9. Given how badly
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:12 AM
May 2013

Given how badly we were losing job before Obama took over the fact that they are doing this well is a major accomplishment! We went from losing 600k+ jobs to gaininig 165k+ job is huge! Unemployment was ballooning and now its slowly shrinking!

We should be celebrating!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. If you measure the economy by the wealth of wall street investors, and corporate exectuives...
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:58 PM
May 2013

But if the measure of the economy is in the middle class and working class who still suffer from relatively high unemployment, underemployment, stagnant wages, high health care costs, high costs of food, and high cost of housing, then he doesn't come close.

He is better than Bush I or II, and much better than Hoover. About the middle of pack.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
11. Have you no respect for a group's standards?
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:39 PM
May 2013

Would you enjoy it if I barged in on the Atheist/Agnostic group and started preaching? Why not return the consideration you'd demand for yourself?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
13. Actually that group could use a little banging, however I appologize...
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:18 PM
May 2013

I came from the Latest threads and never looked at the group.

Cha

(297,211 posts)
6. "By all measures, President Obama has outperformed every modern President."
Mon May 20, 2013, 04:19 PM
May 2013

Which is a miracle considering how bush-cheney shitcanned the surplus and left our treasury and Country in tatters. Not to mention the goperatives in gov sworn to hold PBO to "one term". And, now want to knife(metaphorically) him anyway they can.

thanks for the links, She!

unblock

(52,223 posts)
8. clinton=great stock market; shrub=terrible stock market; obama=great stock market
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:09 PM
May 2013

there's more to life (and the economy) than the stock market, but this should (but won't) put to rest the lie about republicans being better for the stock market.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. Not just the stock market.
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:39 PM
May 2013

See below, and speaking from experience of the Clinton era, this trickle-down will soon be a gusher, barring catastrophe. So fasten your seat belt because we're in for some good times all around.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. Also: unemployment DOWN, housing starts UP, consumer confidence UP, approval ratings UP
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:23 PM
May 2013

good grief, even optimism is up:

For the first time since the 100-day mark of Obama’s first term, most say they are optimistic about the direction of the economy. More than half, 56 percent, say the economy is on the mend, the most to say so in polls since 2009.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-rating-steady-amid-controversies-likely-buoyed-by-rising-economic-hopes/2013/05/20/5509c03e-c17f-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html?hpid=z2


And is the economy ever on the mend. From your Forbes link sheshe -- unemployment down, consumer confidence up:




. . . and markets up, up, UP!



sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
16. For the life of me,
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:06 PM
May 2013

I could not post those graphs here.

Thank you for bring them over! Looks good doesn't it.

Welcome to DU and the BOG, ucrdem! We can sure use you here!


sheshe

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. Thanks sheshe!
Tue May 21, 2013, 11:20 PM
May 2013

I hope you'll consider reposting this in GD before there's outbreak of mass depression or worse. They don't seem to have gotten the message and there's been a rash of alarmingly sad posts.



p.s. I couldn't get the graphs to work either until I loaded them onto imageshack so these links should work.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. This post would not be met well ...
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:49 PM
May 2013

in the GD because most will ignore the positive that is posted and focus like a laser on some economic measure that is not performing as well (whether factual, imagined or anedoctal) and that will be that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. I no longer can tell ...
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:25 PM
May 2013

who works harder scanning the financial news the closest, seeking out bad economic news ... the gop or the "progressives" here at DU?

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