The More Discrimination a Woman Has Faced the More Likely She Supports Hillary (HRC GROUP)

[Her Sister]

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A team of political scientists wanted to see if they could figure out why many younger women chose Bernie over Hillary. They looked for correlations between their Democratic candidate preference and whether women experienced gender discrimination in school or workplace, if childcare responsibilities affected their careers or education, and if they saw their fate linked to what happened to other women. The results were statistically significant.

Democratic women who said they had been discriminated against because of gender were more likely to choose Clinton over Sanders, even after accounting for ideology, age and income. The graph below shows how large this effect is. Women who agreed that gender discrimination had affected their education or career prospects were nearly 20 points more likely to vote for Clinton than those who disagreed with that statement.

Here’s the interesting part, to me. They found that young women who have had to deal with discrimination and child care are just as likely to support Hillary as older women.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Explain.

[Buzz Clik]

8. I'm not sure you understand the concept of demographics and the point of collecting data.

Your comment is really offensive.

[Buzz Clik]

10. That's how you interpret demographic data? HRC is dominating the polls among African Americans ...

...because she's black?

I'd suggest you slink on out of here.

[stonecutter357]

46. you seem desperate!

[Loki]

48. So you think that particular reason is the only reason women are voting for Hillary?

That is probably one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard. Are you a woman? Did you grow up in the time when abortions were illegal, women were just supposed to get married and have children, your career choices were secretary, teacher or nurse. You couldn't obtain contraception unless you were married, and oh you couldn't even get a credit card in your name. Do you remember those days? I do. We had no opportunities to play sports except in gym class. I'm sorry, but unless you have walked in these shoes, you don't know what you are talking about. We had to fight for every inch we have gained, and I remember who stood in our way.

[Her Sister]

3. HRC GROUP HERE!

[johnp3907]

6. What do you mean?

[athena]

15. There is nothing to be ashamed of.

It's insulting to suggest that any woman who supports Hillary mainly because of her gender is doing something shameful. Would you have said that to a Black person who supported President Obama in 2008 mainly because of his race?

It's not like we're supporting Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. Six out of the ten highest-paid employees in Clinton's campaign are female. All ten of Bernie's highest-paid employees are male:
http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557
And yet, we're called stupid and shameful for supporting the woman!

The fact that women are being told we should be ashamed of supporting a woman for president is a sad demonstration of what a misogynistic world we still live in.

[athena]

21. You would call them a typical voter.

No one questions a white man who votes for a man or a white person. No one shames him the way Bernie supporters are trying to shame women who have the nerve to support a woman for president.

If white men were as underrepresented in government as women and Black people are, it would be perfectly acceptable for them to support white males. It's only when you're a woman that being a feminist becomes something you have to not only apologize for but be ashamed of.

By the way, this is the Hillary Clinton forum. You are not welcome to come here and shame -- shame! -- women for supporting Hillary Clinton.

[Her Sister]

24. Again this is a group for HRC supporters

eom

[athena]

25. No you don't.

That is patently false. And you clearly have read very little about sexism or racism. If you had, you would know that discrimination against a dominant group is not nearly as harmful as discrimination against a minority group. A Black person who refuses to give a job to a white person does not hurt that white person, who can easily find a job elsewhere, the same way that a white person who refuses to give a job to a Black person hurts that Black person. The only way there would be any equivalence would be if there were no racism or sexism and every group were equally represented everywhere. In claiming that discrimination against whites and men is "racism" and "sexism", you are claiming that discrimination against Blacks and women no longer exists. That claim, in itself, is racist and sexist, not to mention clueless.

Only a white male would make the comments you've been making. They scream white male privilege. But clearly, you have zero interest in actually listening to people. You're here to lecture Hillary supporters in our own forum. There is very little to be proud of in that.

[athena]

31. Oh, so it's as easy for a Black person to find a job as it is for a white person!

Because 50% of companies are owned by Black people, and white men never discriminate against Blacks or women. Sure.

Somehow, I knew you were a white male, even though you had not stated it. Everything you post screams white male privilege. Your posts are a perfect example of mansplaining, if anyone needed it.

[2naSalit]

42. +100000000000000000000000000000000!!

[spooky3]

20. Let me try one more way to get through to you:

Let's say you are a disabled veteran. You have experienced discrimination in employment, and difficulty in accessing rehab and medical care for years. A candidate comes along who also served in the military and has for his entire career worked with vets like you or gotten legislation passed to help you, or directs charitable funds in ways that help you. His opponent has never served and while the opponent states support for some of these issues, and occasionally voted with your side, he expressly states that his priorities are elsewhere.

Both candidates endorse many progressive positions you share.

Which candidate do you support?

[athena]

26. Seriously?

Bernie has done more to fight for women's issues than Hillary?

Please give some examples. List what he has done. Please explain how he beats this:
Why Hillary Clinton Has the Best Track Record on Women’s Issues

Globally, no candidate has done more for women’s rights than Secretary Clinton. In her time as Secretary of State, she appointed the first-ever Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women’s Issues at the State Department; oversaw the creation of the U.S. National Action Plan on Women, Peace, and Security; and introduced the Global Health Initiative (GHI), investing $63 billion to help partner countries provide robust maternal and infant health services. Secretary Clinton has worked tirelessly to elevate women’s rights as the key towards economic prosperity and global stability. Her public and private initiatives have appropriated millions of dollars towards providing secondary education to young girls around the world, and tackling the obstacles that face at-risk youths.

And while you're at it, please explain exactly why Bernie has zero women among his ten highest-paid campaign staffers, when Hillary has six among hers. How is that fighting for women? Why should we, women, trust Bernie to fight for us when he can't even trust us enough to employ us at the top levels of his campaign?

[athena]

32. I see you can't provide examples of things Bernie has done for women's rights.

You claimed Bernie did more for women than Hillary. I gave you a list of things Hillary did for women. Not only are you incapable of providing proof of your initial claim, but you try to change the topic by claiming that Hillary has not actually really done anything for women.

That is as strong an admission of defeat as I've ever seen.

[johnp3907]

36. This is a group for Hillary Clinton supporters.

But you've been told that several times. I guess ignoring the rules is part if your white male revolution.

[Cha]

38. You might want to study up on what Hillary has done for women and children before you

come into our group and start spouting your negative crap.

Don't be like BS.. study up on it before hand.

[Her Sister]

41. Hahahaha!!

Study! LOL!!!! eom

[Cha]

50. ..

[2naSalit]

44. Hey there mansplainer...

You are trying to start a fight in a place where you can't win because of your myopic, factless beliefs...

Scram!

[trumad]

45. Tick Tock

Tick Tock...great said satisfaction that very soon your type of silly posts will be gone from this site.

[BlueMTexpat]

49. If there is anyone who pays "lip service"

as opposed to actually going out there and putting her life on the line for what she believes in, it is not Hillary.

See this, e.g., http://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/news/a30328/hillary-clinton-beijing-speech/

I doubt that you'll even read it, however, or begin to understand how incredibly important and dangerous it was. Your general ignorance about HRC and her accomplishments is so abysmal and you cling to that ignorance so strongly that you are not even worth the time to respond.

So I will respond to you no further. Please stay out of the HRC Group until your CDS has been treated successfully.

[Her Sister]

37. thanks for this article!

Breaking the ultimate glass ceiling does not constitute a political strategy, but electing a strong woman with a concrete track record of protecting and defending women’s rights certainly does.

So much can be said about HRC when it comes to this!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea-dew-steele/why-hillary-clinton-has-t_b_8073982.html

[athena]

39. You're welcome!

[Rose Siding]

43. Gender issues *are* issues.

[apcalc]

11. These women

Understand the obstacles she has overcome and admire for her strength.
She is exceptionally qualified, more so than any other candidate.

They understand. They don't vote for her because she is a woman, but because they know to get where she is, and accomplish what she has, she has to be many more times exceptional than any male candidate.


And she is.

[Her Sister]

12. And they appreciate that for HRC Gender issues have always been important

it has always been part of HRC's platform in one way or another from her time out of Law School!!! If not even before that!

HRC is like obsessed with women and children issues, Always finds a way to get back to that!

As a female myself why not have a President that prioritizes us for a change!! For the first time!!

[yallerdawg]

13. Why would anyone think a woman would confront this issue better than a man?

Maybe we understand letting "the oppressor" take care of the problem for "the oppressed" is a sure fire way for nothing to change. And "the oppression" will go on.

That's one of the reasons I heartily support Hillary Clinton for president - because she is a woman! I have seen this sexist discrimination and inequality all my life, and it needs to end!

Ready for Hillary!

[athena]

14. I've thought this for a long time.

If a woman does not recognize the misogyny of Bernie's campaign, she must simply not have experienced much sexism.

[Sunsky]

16. Exactly nt

[DemonGoddess]

19. Exactly right!

[2naSalit]

47. Very much like a

white person telling me that they never "saw" racism growing so they can't understand my dismay that it still affects me every day and with a substantial percentage of the people I meet on a daily basis... my birth certificate says I'm white but that's not the impression 85% of the people I meet think when they first look at me.

I have seen the endless attacks on Hillary because she's a woman and a very intelligent one (which is totally unacceptable to misogynists, therefore, to them she has to be destroyed since they can "keep her in her place&quot .

[spooky3]

17. This is a very important finding. Thanks!

[Iliyah]

28. The last time I looked this is a HRC safe haven, period.

"Unqualified"; "Corporate"' "Whore"; "Slut"; "Weak", "Doesn't work hard".

All pertaining to HRC and her campaign.

[pandr32]

30. So many women supporting Bernie are young

...and really haven't gotten out into the world and tested things yet. They may like to think of themselves as "feminists", but really have no idea what it is all about. I have noticed with young women in these parts who are supporting Bernie a few things: their friends do, "it is so-ooooo exciting and "important" and making history right now, they want free medical and college and 15 per hour, and Hillary doesn't get get them because she is so-ooooo establishment, and Bernie understands women's issues and will fight for them better than Hillary.

[Her Sister]

33. Being tuned to gender issues is core to Liberal views

Progressivism doesn’t die with Hillary Clinton: Debunking the myth that only Bernie can foster hardcore liberal ideas
Progressive ideas need to be pushed through organizing the party and pushing legislation, not outsider rebellion

On the gender front, the Monkey Cage pored over the data regarding the age gap between Democratic women — older women are more pro-Clinton, younger women more pro-Sanders — to see if it really is an age thing or if something else is going on. The results complicate the notion that older voters are supporting Clinton out of some kind of conservatism. On the contrary, it suggests that Clinton support is tied strongly to being more liberal on issues of gender justice.

What the researchers found was women who had faced sexism in their own professional lives were more likely to support Clinton. The older you are, the more likely you’ve dealt with gender injustice, either from having a childcare conflict or from facing discrimination at work, leading to greater levels of Clinton support in those age groups. But for women in the 18-29 age group, having experienced discrimination or childcare conflicts also led to greater levels of support. All in all, it suggests not that Clinton supporters are more conservative at all, but that they are more liberal and tuned into the issue of gender inequality.

Sanders, who self-identifies as a democratic socialist rather than Democrat, doesn’t even seem that interested in the multi-decade project of using the Democratic party to push the country to the left. Odds are high that once he folds his cards, the entire movement behind his dissipates. Some people in it will continue to do progressive work, but most were already doing that already. And we’ll all return to a system that, while slow and imperfect, at least has half a chance of working: Using the Democratic party as a vehicle to press for progressive policies. Which is why Clinton, like Obama before her, represents what the actual future of progressivism looks like.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/11/progressivism_doesnt_die_with_hillary_clinton_debunking_the_myth_that_only_bernie_can_foster_hardcore_liberal_ideas/

Salon.com

[KittyWampus]

34. Ignoring the upthread "vagina vote" thing- older women recognize double standards

we recognize dismissive behavior and double standards.

I think as we mature we're more likely to look beyond the surface to try and find what's really there and not just the smoke blown in our faces by the media, society, mass consciousness.

No everyone of course

For some people, of all genders, superficial appearances remain sufficient.

[Haveadream]

35. *Gender * is a Huge Policy Issue

FULL STOP.

Only those who have not experienced the effects of racial, sexual and gender discrimination can believe that broad brushed economic policy alone even begins to address those abuses.

So-called progressives who deny that reality and constantly use sexist dog whistles (*whore*) to wind up their privileged fans will never get my support. Our country and our candidates need to have a discussion and platform on women's issues that go beyond economic and reproductive talking points and into the nitty gritty of daily discrimination in every sphere.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

40. Nothing I enjoy more...

Than a white male trying to educate women and people of color on how to do politics properly.

Holy Sister Sanctimonious, Batman! And a newbie to boot...

[davenelson5555]

51. Hillary Clinton, as senator, paid women 72 cents on every dollar paid to men

[link:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/23/hillary-clinton-as-senator-paid-women-72-cents-on-/|

[Her Sister]

52. This is DU! Democrat! Site! THIS IS HRC GROUP! Washington Times = GOP much!

So I see you are new. This is a protected Group. ...and your source is suspect.
Respect the groups!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

Political stance[edit]

Times dispenser
The political leanings of The Washington Times are often described as conservative.[68][69][70] The Washington Post reported: "the Times was established by Moon to combat communism and be a conservative alternative to what he perceived as the liberal bias of The Washington Post."[9]

Conservative commentator Paul Weyrich commented:

The Washington Post became very arrogant and they just decided that they would determine what was news and what wasn't news and they wouldn't cover a lot of things that went on. And the Washington Times has forced the Post to cover a lot of things that they wouldn't cover if the Times wasn't in existence.[71]

[davenelson5555]

53. OK, I didn't know they were a conservative source.

[SharonClark]

54. Don't believe everything you read in right wing rags

From FactCheck.org "The Republican National Committee chairman says Hillary Clinton paid women in her Senate office less than men. But annual salary data provided by the Clinton campaign show median salaries for men and women in Clinton’s office were virtually identical."