Hillary Clinton
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It's everything we've heard about him, nothing he disputes so what's the objection? Having it collected in one place, on one reel?
Note to Jury: this video is an example of what the Republicans would say about Senator Sanders if he were to win the Nomination. Nothing more, nothing less.
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HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)We were thinking along the same lines... 
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)
There's nothing untrue in the clip.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)The truth is what it is.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)It's an inconvenient truth
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Interesting!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=111139
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Red baiting at its worst. For that matter the first thing that caught my attention was the Chuy Garcia bit. The only person who has ever accusued Chuy of having communist ties was some far rightwing nut job whom he defeated for office in Mexico before moving to the US. This is no better than those rightwing videos "proving" that Hillary killed Vince Foster and should be just as deletable.
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Explanation: I'm a Clinton supporter, and this video is red-baiting without doubt. Lots of it is true, but it is presented in the worst light, and tenuous six degrees of separation presented as solid bonds, just like the SBS supporters do to Hillary. As an example of what the GOP will do if Sanders get the nomination, it is spot on. However, it is not presented as an example of what the GOP will do, but as if it has merit in itself. As such, I won't sink to SBS supporters' levels, and vote to hide. KitS
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Am the first reply here? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111138
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)
savalez
(3,517 posts)re-embedding it in the first reply. It's still seen no matter the hide.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Hadn't noticed that... Good thinking HS
jehop61
(1,735 posts)we don't need this type of dung here
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Would be up against?
A curious position to take, but it's a free country
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I don't like it when the Bernie supporters do it, and I damn sure don't like it when my camp does it, either.
Fuck Trevor Loudon and ANYONE who would carry water for him.
PS the movie this clip is from is a HUGE anti-Obama piece that paints Obama as a Marxist.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)There's a tactical difference
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)It's been posted here quite a few times today. It's disgusting.
We are supposed to be better than this. Red-baiting RWNJ bullshit at it's finest. Doesn't belong on DU.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)It's an illustration of down and dirty politics of the right wing.
But we disagree. I get that.
spooky3
(38,415 posts)
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And that's how a candidate gets swift boated.
That's why he's clearly the weaker candidate.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)By a Clinton supporter
Curious tactic but so it goes.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111178#post36
DisenfranchisedAgain
(2 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)This is HRC GROUP! PLZ FIND THE BS GROUP!! OR GDP!
HRC GROUP READY!!!
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)
redstatebluegirl
(12,789 posts)him as the nominee...
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Only they'll add in pix of sheep with horns and cities burning down...
brush
(61,033 posts)Hillary has withstood repug bashing for 25 years and is still standing tall.
They haven't even started on Sanders, but this video is where they would start if he were the nominee.
We don't have to worry about that anymore. Wonder if most of the Sanders fans have any idea of what was in store for him/them if the got the nomination?
We would have been landslided in the general election after they got finished with him. It would red, red, red in the White House, Senate, SCOTUS, state houses and all the rest.
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HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And hidden by jury. I expect a jury's convening as we type
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Here is the hidden one! http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111138
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Typing faster than I'm thinking.
Apologies Fun n Serious, and thanks for getting it out there
BlueMTexpat
(15,665 posts)You can imagine my reaction to hearing about your hide. Alert-stalking still lives.
If this is how True Believers react now, they would be frothing at the mouths every day until the GE because the GOP would put this - and more - up front and center. Every. Single. Day. 24/7
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)That has not been done with Senator Sanders.
Republicans were lying in wait should he get the nom.
Fla Dem
(27,499 posts)4. Certainly raises questions. Something like this would definitely torpedo any General Election run.
Don't know how much of this is propaganda or truth, but this is just a sample of what the Republicans would throw at him and frankly they could care less care if it's the truth or not.
Don't know how this is any different than the videos the BS Bros have posted accusing HRC of everything under the sun. But God forbid anything negative is posted about "He who walks on water".
Republicans and the RW smear machine will have a field day if BS is the nominee (which thankfully he won't be).
Surya Gayatri
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Cha
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HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Go figure
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Maybe you should see what the whole movie is. It's an anti-Obama piece. There's a small Bernie segment, but it's all used to paint Obama as a radical Muslim/Communist. And you're carrying water for it.
We complained EVERY TIME a BS supporter used RWNJ smears against Hillary. Doing it back makes us no better.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Most, (not all) are commenting on this being an example of what the right wing would do. That, to me is a valid conversation.
Very few are writing that they agree with the content.
We are discussing the inevitability of the right wing rolling this out if he were to be nominated.
We are not calling him a communist (well most, there's a couple of posts on the actual content)
Pointing out why your opponent is weak is what we do all day here.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)That's why this extracted clip represents a perfect example of the smear and slime job that awaits Sanders if, god forbid, he should ever become the Dem candidate in the GE.
All the more justification to view it and know it, so as not to be blind-sided.
all american girl
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LisaM
(29,556 posts)He reminds me of the old members of the Communist Party in America who clung to the belief for a long time that the Soviet Union was not a repressive system, despite glaring evidence to the contrary - people like Pete Seeger and Jessica Mitford. I don't even dispute that their hearts were in the right place but ultimately the Communist Party betrayed its followers.
And we've seen these takeovers fail over and over - the regimes are autocratic and the citizens don't have the freedom we enjoy. I remember a very moving piece about Katarina Witt that was on a year or two ago - she said that the system gave her the means to train as a skater (and she appreciated that and they gave her a good life when she was young) but that when she wanted to retire and go professional after the Olympics, they told her she could not do that if she didn't win a gold medal. Knowing that, and then watching her performance at those Olympics when I saw that special, and the absolute relief on her face when she got the gold medal was extremely moving. If she hadn't won, they would have forced her out of skating and she would have just been another East German housewife, maybe she would have been allowed to coach, but they weren't going to let her skate professionally in ice shows.
Of course there are some good takeaways from the Scandinavian systems, but the U.S. is not a small 1000-year old country and it's not the kind of thing that can reasonably be instituted here after one election. Change in this country tends to be more incremental and that's okay, too.
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(61,180 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)if hidden. This OP has the video embedded in a response.
Their heads would explode if we posted this in the Sanders group.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... better graphics, better music, and a more ominous sounding narration voice ... being blasted from every TV, radio and internet connection 24 hours a day for the duration of the election.
Bernie's campaign would collapse like a house of cards.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)As giant letters T R U M P all done in gold leaf get installed over the portico at the White House.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The not-American accent voice wouldn't be used, that's for sure.
They can cry "red baiting" all they want but the point is that is exactly what the Republicans do and they will do it.
It may not be all that effective for Obama, but Bernie has to history that could make it real.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)Everything in the video is quite consistent with the things I have read. I don't think his supporters really know much about the person they think they know. Love is blind, I suppose.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I've yet to see anything in this video that isn't true. He's said these things, he should have to answer for them.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)All this and worse would come at him at a blinding pace.
We've been saying it all along....he hasn't been vetted, not like this video does...
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)This video is why I roll my eyes when they try to see Democratic Socialist as just a democrat who cares more about people. Nah, he has a documented history of embracing socialist and communist regimes.
rock
(13,218 posts)I certainly think this indicates that Bernie has not been well-enough vetted. Though it does looks like it doesn't matter now.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)With some reasonable note to jury...?
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)I see them cut a few seconds of HRC stuff and twist it to their memes. I suppose that stuff must be considered visual art over now there since Skinner roughed up posting placement.
Not touching that with my paws though.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Kick
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)This is what Republicans have queued up for Sanders
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-enemies-within-trevor-loudon-exposes-bernie-sanders-as-a-hardcore-marxist
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Trevor Loudon is behind this. He's anti-Democrat, anti-Muslim, and we shouldn't be promoting his videos here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Loudon
I am a Hillary supporter, and i DO NOT approve of spreading this shit around DU.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)The thread points that out. Facts put together in a clip presented out of context.
That's what republicans would do to him.
I see it as pointing out their tactics, not carry water for Trevor Loudon
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And that I find it has tactical value to present it as a reason why Sanders is a weak candidate?
Or you think that I believe he is a communist? Because I don't.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)The video takes advantage of those facts. The skeletons are out there. I did the research myself, and Bernie is quite vulnerable on many counts.
Perhaps you should take the points, one by one, and show which are not true, rather than simply rejecting the source. The bread line quote was Bernie's. The positive statements about Castro's regime were Bernie's.
The more I read about Bernie's past, the more I question his candidacy. Republican operatives would not shy away from the truth about Bernie's past.
Watch his video about Eugene Debs, and ask yourself how that would be received by the majority of American voters. Bernie is not an FDR Democrat, by a long shot.
brush
(61,033 posts)background. The things in that video are true.
Why shouldn't people in the party know these things, especially the ones that are his ardent supporters.
I'm saying this as a Hillary supporter, who however, is not opposed to a mixture of socialism and regulated capitalism which can provide services to the public like Social Security, single payer health care (Medicare), police and fire protection, strong unions, infrastructure maintenance, college tuition to those who qualify — all instances of socialism and some already in existence in the country.
People should know what's up repug sleeves if Bernie somehow gets the nomination. They do oppostition research. This stuff is not a secret.
What's incredible is the restrain shown by the Clinton camp in not referencing any of this at all in the campaign, even when she was being relentlessly attacked.
Walk away
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HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)These are snips of truths edited together with a few jumps in logical association.
The point of this is that this is precisely what the right wing has waiting for him.
This is precisely why he is a weak candidate and he can't be our nominee.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)I ask myself this question over and over again. He does not intend anything good for the Democratic party. He wants it to be destroyed. He will try to make a mess of the convention, and droves of protestors outside of the convention will be arrested and highlighted on the evening news.
He said he would not be a spoiler, but his words and actions betray him at this point.
I sure hope I am wrong and that he will soon change his tone, but this is what I foresee.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)We can't stop someone from running but we can work to make certain he doesn't win.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)Or should we also allow "moderate" Republicans to run as Democrats? Why not let Greens and Libertarians run as Democrats too?
Where does the "trojan horse" movement stop? That's why I also oppose open primaries. Otherwise, we turn the "party system" into a "no-party" system.
People who belong to political parties have certain things in common. One thing they have in common is their commitment to work for the good of the party and all its members.
Someone who has bashed the Democratic party for thirty years has shown no such commitment.
I hate the game of golf. I think I will join a golf club and spend all my days and nights bashing the game of golf, critiquing members who play the game, complaining about the food, and openly questioning whether this club should be allowed to continue to exist. And I will also assert my right not to contribute financially to the club.
As I recall, the US constitution does not guarantee the right of any non-party member to run as a candidate in any party he or she chooses.
Sorry about the rant, but I believe that the Democratic party should be for Democratic candidates only.
The situation we find ourselves in, on the other hand, is that we have an anti-Democrat running as a Democrat. Nearly the entire party has been thrown under that candidate's bus.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Because if Sanders got on the ballot in November, he'd siphon votes and also make it easier to steal a close election.
#2. Clinton needs to have someone opposite her in this Primary.
Should Sanders stop the negative stuff and stick to attacking Republicans at this point? Yes.
Will he do it?
Koinos
(2,800 posts)This candidate was shut out by Sanders' entering the race and by a lousy debate schedule.
We may find that a non-Democrat running within the party can be just as destructive as one running as an independent.
We shall see. A lot will depend on what that candidate decides to do.
Sanders will not stop the negative stuff, because bringing down the Democratic party was his purpose all along.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but I don't see him changing course.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He has proven not to be loyal to the party. Heck he is suing the party. His decision to run 3rd party or not is not in our control no matter what we post.
1StrongBlackMan
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unlikely to warm people up to Sanders; but/and, will have the right up in arms ... sending them to nose-holding votes for the republican candidate (unless that candidate is cruz, who they will happily support).
The next series of commercials will be directed at independents and will contain clips of him saying, "Yes ... taxes will go up" and, "Yes ... I'm going to grow government" ... sending them happily to trump and, maybe, Kasich, and nose-holdingly to cruz.
The next series of commercials will be directed at Democrats that poll(ed) favorably for President Obama's tenure (particularly, Black voters) and will contain clips of Sanders saying, "We need to go in a different direction from President Obama" and, President Obama needs to be primaried." But, it is unlikely to have any/much effect on President Obama loving Democrats.
The commercials will be all gop originated, and because for most of America, it will be the first time they have heard any/much of this (unlike the daily smears they have heard/been hearing about HRC) ... November will be a bloody, bloody loss for Democrats all the way down to Dog Catcher.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)And while its source is vile, we can't ignore the fact that this is what awaits Sanders if he were the nominee.
It blows away the claim that he can beat any republican running.
No Senator, they haven't swift boated you yet; this clip is phase one.
Koinos
(2,800 posts)I think that this has strengthened our immune system, and it has certainly made our candidate stronger.
It is better to face unpleasant facts and inconvenient truths now, than to be ambushed by them later.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Is that here we are presenting a right wing smear with 'this is what the right wing would do'
As relates the Clinton attacks, the right wing smears are presented as gospel.
That's the qualitative difference, IMO
And that's why I think this clip deserves to stand, not be hidden. But we will see ~
Koinos
(2,800 posts)The opposition adopts right wing talking points as if they were universal truths.
This video is presented as a "example" based upon enough facts to be disconcerting.
Some facts about Sanders' past have to be confronted. Better now than later.
"Hiding" inconvenient truths won't help Bernie's cause. It might even make things worse.
The same is true regarding "hiding" Bernie's tax forms.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts) Koinos
(2,800 posts) 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"{She/He/They} can't sing a lick ... but they sure did make a joyful noise!"
I miss you, Ma.
Koinos
(2,800 posts) geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's done. He's beaten. We've won.
Why the hell dredge up stuff from Ted Cruz's fanbase?
These are hypothetical ads hat will never be run, because there's now zero chance Sanders will be the nominee.
Attacking from the right is a stupid thing to do in a primary in the Democratic party especially when it's completely unnecessary.
My record on the junior Senator from Vermont, and his stans is pretty clear.
But I can't see how this helps us.
Don't be like the BernieBros.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)This is presented as an example of what a swift boating of Sanders would look like.
BBs present right wing smears as gospel truth. Every day. And K&R the heck out of each line.
We know we've beaten him. But Team Sanders is still running for the nomination. Team Sanders is still very much running against Secretary Clinton. Team Sanders is still soliciting donations for said campaign.
I think it's tactical to continue to point out why he'd be such a weak candidate against a republican. Particularly when his entire side firmly believes they would beat ANY republican.
If it keeps one undecided from sending him $27....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they feed off grievances and contrived bullshit and narratives of victimhood. they don't know what to do with themselves without some way to claim they and their cause is being persecuted
you put out a fire by depriving it of fuel and oxygen.
St. Bernard has been given a free pass on a lot of stuff, been treated like the harmless eccentric uncle who lives in an RV in the country.
Well, that's pretty much where he is now.
We'll need those people to vote and donate in the fall. A lot of them obviously will not be helpful, but remember that a lot more people read than post.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)They are still going around attacking HRC! and saying that BS polls better than HRC! and saying they're going to get HRC PLEDGED DELEGATES plus SUPER DELEGATES to switch to BS!
So no they aren't done till we see them stop talking like that!!! And attacking and smearing HRC!!!
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)That's what they're using as one of their most key points to use to turn PLEDGED Delegates against HRC!!
Why do they believe this?? This is just wrong headed for BS campaign to keep using that point.
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Seems so bizarre sometimes, actually more than sometimes.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I really do but I don't want to starve a fire, I want to feed a mind.
Feels like we've been passively and politely running against the Senator. It's rarely a reciprocated tone. And I know more folks read than write posts here. Why not reach out, again tactically, to an undecided lurker?
Those who have already decided they won't vote for Clinton in the fall, well, really...is there anything we could say or not say that would change those minds?
I really do see your point, I just respectfully, disagree.
Peace 
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)to beat GOP. That is the argument they're making at the convention. Bernie has not been attacked by the GOP yet, Hillary has been attacked by GOP and Bernie. She is still standing. I think this shows his supporters some of the ugly that can come up. Don't hide.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the talk of contested convention is a way for them to defraud their chump supporters into donating money thinking they have a path to victory.
Dipping into the rightwing sewer hurts our cause more than it helps.
If this were a competitive primary, I'd feel different. But he's done. Done, done, done.
Done.
They'll never be convinced of it until their candidate runs up the white flag himself.
Pilosopo78
(9 posts)I do believe he is by his own admission a socialist. Nothing in this video is untrue, he did attend these communist meetings, he did participate on speaking at their rallies, he did received and is receiving the loud support of his socialist leaning/communist loving supporters. I have been purged by Sanders acolytes here from questioning the man's credentials as a Democrat. As far as I know, he's never been one, nor proud of the party he is trying to take over.
I just want to say that the Democratic Party that I have supported since has never been a supporter of both the communists or the socialists. It is the home for and of responsible well-regulated Capitalism.
FSogol
(47,543 posts)
Pilosopo78
(9 posts)User name this time. I think that should have been a given, besides if you are here in a protected group trying to question the veracity of my statement then my bad. You are not welcome here, you are more than welcome to discuss my opinion in your own protected group as well. Simple as that.
BooScout
(10,409 posts)What happened to you? 
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie has NOT been subjected to GOP attacks and that is why he and his supporters think he is a better candidate. This and MORE is what they are going to use should he be the nominee.
kracer20
(199 posts)If you've see the movie Mr. Deeds, the sleazy tabloid guy sounds exactly like this guy.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Charming actually for me!
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)savalez
(3,517 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)meanwhile over in the Bernie group they've presented their republican smear video on Hillary only they won't call it a smear, they call it facts....not all but enough ~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=181792
I'm so tired of the notion that we should remain passive so they won't go away mad. Feels pointless.
savalez
(3,517 posts)a BS supporter being nasty here and when he/she was retaliated on they said something to the effect of "careful, you're not going to get my vote that way." That was early on. I'm happy to see that HRC people are not really falling for that stuff anymore.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Adults blackmailing other people! That's not worth a conversation! Very poor thinking and coping skills IMO.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I'll post results when they're in.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Actually I am pretty happy this week! I was one of the 1 million who voted in NY for HRC! woo hoo!!
ALL is Well!
Enthusiastically READY FOR HER!!!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Onward!!!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)On Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Blackmail just so charming!
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